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VanLingo 08-13-2004 06:49 AM

Forum Rules should apply to mods, too
 
Here is an excerpt from Jed's shiny new set of "rules":
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Under no circumstances are you allowed to insult (commonly referred to as "flaming"), curse at, offend, or just go completely off the wall against another user/group of users. If their opinion differs from yours, grow up and deal with it.
Yet, not four inches from the "rule" is a hip-thrusting stormtrooper. His signature contains the quote:
--Jed...I want you to know...I'm feelin it man...feelin it deep...feelin it hard...feelin it all over ~ InsaneSith
Hrm...I'm pretty sure that this is a public forum geared toward a wide variety of ages. That's not very family-friendly, Jed. In fact, it's downright offensive.

Then there's ET Warrior's malicious anti-religion signature:
--Newsflash to the religious, SEX FEELS GOOD. That's right, it's not just for babies anymore!
...which was taken from a heated debate that remains unmoderated (although at least four moderators are involved in the discussion).

Here are some quotes taken from InsaneSith's reportoire:
-- lesbian spank inferno. and some other porn for the rest of eternity, sh*t yeah.
--the hell are you on about?
Also, from ET Warrior:
--Not stupid for him, that kicks ass for him.
--Which he didn't, so why the hell is he punishing them?
And a couple of chunks from moderator Lynk Former:
--Your beliefs IMO are ****ed up but they are your beliefs no matter how bad it seems to me, so in turn, accept other peoples beliefs.
--believe what you want to believe but for f***sake let other people have their beliefs too
--you're a f***ing ignorant bastard.
--a lot of the things I've seen in hear are pretty f***in rediculous.
--Well that was my lil bit of bitchin to you all.
--then you get s*** like segregation
--use the damn edit button people
Here's one from moderator .:CoupeS:.:
--god doesn't give a rats' ass about politics...
Didn't I see something in the new "rules" about avoiding the censor and swearing excessively? Ah, yes...
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Obey the censor and don't excessively swear. Don't try to bypass the censor, in other words.
Two of InsaneSith's most revolting quotes:
--oooh incest porn novel!
--the bible, truely a great hardcore porn novel.
Ugh.

My favorite flames:
--Say otherwise and you're a fool. -- Jed (Wouldn't have been a flame if someone wasn't saying otherwise.)
--You know if you say yes to that I'll just stand here and literally say (and I don't mean this as a flame) that you're a f***ing ignorant bastard. -- Lynk Former (You don't mean that as a flame?! For the record, the other person said 'yes'.)
--a lot of the things I've seen in hear are pretty f***in rediculous. -- Lynk Former
--I can firmly say this thread sucks -- Lynk Former
--this alone shows how ignorant you are. -- InsaneSith
--your statemen that one chooses their sexuality is crap. -- InsaneSith
--You, VanLingo, are quite a tit. -- PanzerTekk

Jed, .:CoupeS:., ET Warrior, and Lynk Former are all "moderators" of these boards. InsaneSith is one of their romping buddies, apparently.
Most of the quotes here were taken from one or two threads.

Does anyone else think that if we're going to have enforced rules, they should start from the top?
I was given a warning because of my "excessive sarcasm" and "provoking flame wars". The same message warned me that my "prior experience working for the site does not make [me] exempt from the rules". So am I exempt if I become a moderator?

I agree that this forum could use a cleaning up. But the mods need to set a better example before chastising others.

Xirion 08-13-2004 08:04 AM

heh dont get too bothered about it bro, you shouldnt be offened by a virtual world

Lynk Former 08-13-2004 09:09 AM

You know, in all honestly the Sliced TaunTaun itself seems to have a bad air about it in the first place. All these threads about politics and religion, etc can cause a lot of bad blood and a lot of extreme views.

Yeah we've all got blood on our hands in this forum, you, me, everyone. But that's what you get by having threads like the ones we have in this particular forum. In the other forums I don't swear or do anything like that but in here it seems nothing is off limits...

You have find the word "sex" and "ass" being said to be offensive. I find the fact that we're getting people in here telling other people that their beliefs are false to be offensive too.

I agree this place needs to be cleaned up, but don't blame this solely on one group. Everyone in here needs to start over, wash away all the bad blood, and start anew.

Pad 08-13-2004 09:24 AM

First of all, I think you should not bash on people who you dont know and that have that "mod" status. These people have been here long enough and actually know very well what they can and cant do. If they wouldn´t they wouldn´t have that status, you know. Also, I´ve known them all since the beginning and most things they post isn´t ment to anger/flame people, but more or less as sarcasm. It´s in fact all very harmless. So please, thinks twice before saying such things. ;)

Secondly, the discussion in the god thread is going and going and I deliberatly kept myself out of it as I surely would have stept on some people´s toes. This discussion goes about your own belief and since you think your oppinion is the best you get angry as people say it´s otherwise.

You are actually the first one complaining about that thread but I don´t think I´ve seen you put up some discussion. As said somewhere before, when you don´t like a thread, just pass by and simply go to another.

And don´t you say these sections go unmodded. Be very well aware that everything you folk do actually is monitered very well. Maybe action is taken a bit slower, but it will be taken. ;)

Edit: Damnit lynk for beating me.

jack "odc" one. 08-13-2004 09:25 AM

I personally can not see where the censor was skirted. I read the boards for a while and i can't remember that i've seen any of those persons ever skirting the censor.
Yes they are mods and they seem to be harsh sometimes, and in fact they are, especially if it's about skirting the censor.

I cannot say there is/was never a 'questionable' post by any of those mods/"romping buddies", but they really are contributing to the threads and are pretty fair, i think. I have not seen any unjustice coming from them yet.

Also, i cannot see where a statement like "this thread sucks" is flaming. It more likely an opinion, mostly because A) the topic of the thread is rather pointless and/or B) it's content is rather blahblahblah than interesting from any viewpoint. And/or also C) something in the persons mind i can't follow, mainly because i am someone else.
But it's not flaming, since flaming is against a person, not a whole thread.
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Jed...I want you to know...I'm feelin it man...feelin it deep...feelin it hard...feelin it all over ~ InsaneSith
Hmm. Nothing. I feel nothing.
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Newsflash to the religious, SEX FEELS GOOD. That's right, it's not just for babies anymore!
But A) Sex feels good, and B) it's not only to make babies.
And C) how is the above quoted flamative, cursive, offensive or completely off the wall?

Sabretooth 08-13-2004 10:27 AM

I agree with VanLingo. Infact, i was thinking of making a thread about Jed before, but oh well, forget it.

Jed 08-14-2004 07:43 PM

This belongs in Feedback. :p :D

On a more serious note, it's no surprise that The Sliced TaunTaun is a mess. It's lacked a good moderation team for long time - StormHammer and I volunteered to take care of the place until we could recommend moderators that are prominent and productive community members. StormHammer has established the fact with me that he is not available to be on the forums recently, so that left it up to me. Some will argue that these forums aren't the place for prominent community members to thrive. That, as VanLingo has, er, "demonstrated", that moderators have created a harsh environment, that we've done a horrible job, yada yada yada, and so forth.

But I disagree! There are quite a few community members, not listed in the Magna Carta-style protest above, that have made quite a name for themselves. Have some community members PMed me with a question or two, and I resolve it without being an asshat? Of course. Are there members who make suggestions to moderators such as myself, without trying to make some global protest? Yes. And as you will see, these users will be congratulated and soon asked to take care of the community.

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So am I exempt if I become a moderator?
Don't worry, buddy, you won't have to worry about that :p

Now to address your Fourteen (or less) Points:

-- The rules are not shiny and new - all I added yesterday was that you can't advertise. Looks like somebody never read them in the first place, until they wanted some backup for their protest.

-- If my avatar is offensive, ask me to remove it. Your habit of making public "Let's hate Jed together" parties are flattering, but I'm not always able to attend. Of course, if you had, I'd probably say that if you're getting your panties in an uproar about a thrusting Stormtrooper, then you're not 13 years old or older, and you shouldn't be on the forums.

-- In regards to signatures and avatars, you do know that we've allowed people to have avatars of ill-famed leaders such as Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin, right? Signatures and Avatars are subject to free speech, and of course, to a limit. Of course, if you made a good point of it tactfully, such as a PM or such to the "offending party", maybe with a pretty-please-with-sugar-on-top, they might make it disappear, just for you. ;)

-- Bringing InsaneSith into this is pointless. You're trying to create a case against moderators, which InsaneSith is not. His posts have been edited, as I have seen in the thread moved to the Senate Chambers awhile back.

-- You obviously have no idea what skipping the censor is. Let me show you. *CHILDREN WITH VIRGIN EARS SHOULD NOT WATCH, EVEN THOUGH THEY SHOULDN'T BE HERE ANYWAYS.*

**** **** bitch

Skirting the censor involves placing vB code in the middle of it, making it immune to the built in censor. Now, at least asterisks were being used with the swears. Also, ass is not in the censor.

-- Think you're an angel? Here's from August 1st.

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Anyway, no one has any obligation to respond to SkinWalker. He is obviously racist and considers himself above the post word limit (thus taking advantage of anyone that is not a Super-Dee-Dooper Moderator).
He can have the welfare money, but he doesn't get my time.
I can take things out of context and make you look just as bad. But do I have a point? Not really.

And since you keep making this point about “post word limit”, the regular user in these forums gets 40,000 characters. You know how many a mod gets? 40,000 characters.

-- “I was given a warning because of my "excessive sarcasm" and "provoking flame wars".” I’ll take the credit for that, don’t worry.

In closing the forums need a cleaning up. All debate threads, from now on, will be moved to the Senate Chambers, which excels in handling debates. You will not find me there. That will eliminate most of the harsh feelings in The Sliced TaunTaun, and there shouldn’t be any more of the flaming you love to talk about, Van. I, and other moderators included, do not feel the need to use force unless presented with it. New users making mistakes will not prompt a “YOU ARE DEAD IN MY WORLD” response from a mod. We make casual warnings – if you choose to escalate it, we will respond. And in debates? Some people can’t debate. I can’t, and probably shouldn’t be posting in there. Sorry for all of my posts in a debate thread.

Other than that? If you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

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Originally posted by sabretooth
I agree with VanLingo. Infact, i was thinking of making a thread about Jed before, but oh well, forget it.
Be a man and pick a fight! It’s the new trend.

legameboy 08-14-2004 07:48 PM

Van Lingo and Sabertooth
 
Welcome to the internet, bubs. :rolleyes:

ZBomber 08-14-2004 08:08 PM

Pfft, I'm so sad you didn't include me in your hit list, Mr. VanLingo!

And after all those times I posted inapproiate pictures., I thought I earned your dislike. Where did I go wrong..... :disaprove

El Sitherino 08-14-2004 10:30 PM

--Well that was my lil bit of bitchin to you all.

uhmmm bitching is another word used for complaining.

Here are some quotes taken from InsaneSith's reportoire:
-- lesbian spank inferno. and some other porn for the rest of eternity, sh*t yeah.
--the hell are you on about?

? I fail to see excessive cursing, or evasion of a censor. see the word is bleeped.

Here's one from moderator .:CoupeS:.:
--god doesn't give a rats' ass about politics...

nothing wrong here at all.... I believe if there is a god, he could care less about our petty differences.

Two of InsaneSith's most revolting quotes:
--oooh incest porn novel!
--the bible, truely a great hardcore porn novel.
Ugh.


so are you offended by the bible also? I mean the first book of the thing is all incest and death and disease and vengeance and "deviant sex acts"

--I can firmly say this thread sucks -- Lynk Former
this is not a flame, it is an observation

--this alone shows how ignorant you are. -- InsaneSith

he said retards should be killed because they are not aware, when they are. Thus showing he is ignorant.

--your statemen that one chooses their sexuality is crap. -- InsaneSith

I proved why his statement is crap.

Then there's ET Warrior's malicious anti-religion signature:
--Newsflash to the religious, SEX FEELS GOOD. That's right, it's not just for babies anymore!

it's not anti-religion, It is anti-abstinance. And it is true, sex does feel good, and it's not just for making babies.


--use the damn edit button people

once again, not a flame.


In summation, I'll give a statement that I hear everytime I say a slight "bad" thing about america... "if you don't like it, get out"

yaebginn 08-14-2004 10:43 PM

for starters, you didnt prove anything, you just popped into the debate every now and again and acted annoying, you contributed nothing. and who said retards should be killed? and it wasnt a slight bad thing. a 14 year old kid said he hated america and thought it was gross and disgusting and he hated it. so I said, fine leave, get out of my country. if he hates it so much, then let him go.

Acrylic 08-15-2004 12:27 AM

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Originally posted by Jed
-- In regards to signatures and avatars, you do know that we've allowed people to have avatars of ill-famed leaders such as Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin, right?
Thats what I did once. Man, those were the days. I had an avatar of Hitler.

El Sitherino 08-15-2004 01:09 AM

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Originally posted by yaebginn
for starters, you didnt prove anything, you just popped into the debate every now and again and acted annoying, you contributed nothing. and who said retards should be killed? and it wasnt a slight bad thing. a 14 year old kid said he hated america and thought it was gross and disgusting and he hated it. so I said, fine leave, get out of my country. if he hates it so much, then let him go.
I did so prove something, you said people choose their sexuality, I told you I chose nothing.

reelguy when we were discussing abortion.

I said when I said a slight bad thing about america, not someone else.

Mike Windu 08-15-2004 01:36 AM

Pity, I wasn't even included in that list. I know I'm not a mod but surely I'm a "romping buddy."

So... this whole thread is about your hatred for Jed, basically?

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Let me play you a song on the world's smallest violin :violin:
No Really, it IS the world's smallest violin.
Honestly, Mods are picked to be mods for a reason. Sure they've broken a few rules here and there*wink wink at some of you :xp:* but overall they have done a fine job.

Cept ET, cause he's power hungry. :indif:



I keed I keed




maybe not >.>

Lynk Former 08-15-2004 01:56 AM

Hey I feel proud, I was mentioned many times. VanLingo must like me ^^ XD

Mike Windu 08-15-2004 02:01 AM

Hush! I'll have none of this!

I'll show you all! I'm gonna do really bad post things now!:xp:

Sabretooth 08-15-2004 06:26 AM

*blink blink*

I feel like I'm being torn into two parts. One, of the mods and two, of VanLingo.

I choose to take the third way.

(In words, Imouttahere)

VanLingo 08-15-2004 07:18 AM

Calling someone a racist is not a flame, Jed. Especially when they're making comments against the "white middle-class". Then it becomes a statement.

This thread is not a hatred thread against Jed, although it's no secret that I have no respect for him (nor him for me).
This thread is about the fact that we have Louisiana cops for moderators.

You know the type: they've been a moderator for so long, they consider themselves above the rules.

Now they want to force-feed us all some fluffy policy? :rolleyes:
DISCRETION is the key word when speaking of moderators, and what we have at SWBattlefront.net is no discretion whatsoever.

I mean, seriously, when's the last time you saw "Edited by moderator on..." at the bottom of a post other than their own?
Yet the spam continues. The profanity continues. And I get a warning for sarcasm.

Evil Dark Jedi 08-15-2004 09:15 AM

Yo man cool down.I like how the mods are.So they have broken the rules here but they are all right.








how do you become a mod anyway?

yaebginn 08-15-2004 11:18 AM

Man, I got some words to say about a few of the new mods as well, but I'll refrain. I never hd a real problem with jed until a few weeksa ago. Iam way against these new changes, except for a few. its cool that Jeds gone, but he still sticks around, so its like nothing happened. now ET is the tauntaun mod, and that doesnt even need to be explained why I am against that.

SkinWalker 08-15-2004 11:45 AM

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Originally posted by yaebginn
Mnow ET is the tauntaun mod, and that doesnt even need to be explained why I am against that.
He seems to be doing a bang up job so far. What you guys don't see is the "new mods" asking advice from the "old mods" and administrators, which is ocurring. (we hold secret meetings in the basement).

I'd say that your disagreement with the mods stems from your disagreement with their politics and opinions on other matters more than their modding ability.

But Jed made a point. The threads that stirred the disagreements are in the Senate now (the forum for serious discussion). Moderation definately occurs there. And yet, I expect to see most of those that vocally disagreed with the moderation in the tauntan to avoid following their threads.

Lynk Former 08-15-2004 12:34 PM

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Originally posted by SkinWalker
I'd say that your disagreement with the mods stems from your disagreement with their politics and opinions on other matters more than their modding ability.
Just thought I'd quote that just to get peoples attentions.

Mike Windu 08-15-2004 01:10 PM

That's true. If you have a problem with their perspective of politics/religion, deal with it. You can't forcefully convert someone, and I'm gonna pull out a quote here:

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Excerpt from "The Once and Future King by T.H. White
"There was just such a man when I was young - An Austrian who invented a new way of life and convinced himself that he was the chap to make it work. He tried to impose his reformation by the sword, and plunged the civilized world into misery and chaos. But the thing which this fellow had overlooked, my friend, was that he had had a predecessor in the reformation business, called Jesus Christ. Perhaps we may assume that Jesus knew as much as the Austrian did about saving people, but the odd thing is that Jesus did not turn the disciples into stormtroopers, burn down the Temple at Jerusalem, and fix the blame on Pontius Pilate. On the contrary, he made it clear that the business of the philosopher was to make ideas available, and not to impose them on people."
You see?

Pad 08-15-2004 01:18 PM

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Originally posted by yaebginn
now ET is the tauntaun mod, and that doesnt even need to be explained why I am against that.
No please enlighten me, I actually want to know.

And while you´re at it, tell me your problem with me aswell. Cause since I´m a mod here there has to be a problem with me aswell.

yaebginn 08-15-2004 01:32 PM

for starters, you guys just moved the debates cause you know I dont frequent the senate much and you are tired of arguing. for seconders, I am against ET because he acts like a jerk. Even in non-debate threads, he's constently trying to find some way to get at me. its annoying. Me and Skin can have a heated deabte, than be ok outside of the thread. But I am not really close with either of them. but then ET will pop in a thread and harrass me, cause he s just that kind of guy. anf Pad, I dnt know you, if I got to know you, I probably wouldnt like you either, but you never know.

Lynk Former 08-15-2004 01:39 PM

Does the word "hypocrite" mean anything to you?

yaebginn 08-15-2004 01:44 PM

I assume that means you are calling me a hypocrite, explain.

No need to doublepost. Patience can be your friend ;)

Lynk Former 08-15-2004 01:56 PM

Okay I'll start from the top of that last post you made...

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for starters, you guys just moved the debates cause you know I dont frequent the senate much and you are tired of arguing.
if they didn't want you to post there they wouldn't have provided links to the threads that have been moved to the senate so you can track the threads down to their new location.


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I am against ET because he acts like a jerk. Even in non-debate threads, he's constently trying to find some way to get at me. its annoying...
Lookie lookie, you're doing something you just accused him of doing to you and yes some of us do find you to be a jerk too.


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anf Pad, I dnt know you, if I got to know you, I probably wouldnt like you either...
XD this one i love the most. I mean, what the hell? Seems like you're just not gonna like anyone unless they agree with you 100% huh.

TK-8252 08-15-2004 02:00 PM

It sounds to me that you're just determined to rebel against the staff, no matter who they are. You've already labeled Pad, someone you don't even know, a jerk just because he has this under his avatar:

Status: Moderator

How mature. :indif:

Pad 08-15-2004 02:00 PM

We can all learn from Milky the cow ;)

http://www.feestweekend.be/upload/store/cow.jpg

yaebginn 08-15-2004 02:13 PM

I never said I didnt like Pad, I said if I got to know him, I probably wouldnt like him. I dont like most people. And I dont like to ,'rebel against authority' its just that I havent much liked TK since I started here, and now hes a mod. alot of mods I have come across are jerks, some are ok, though.

Lynk Former 08-15-2004 02:30 PM

Well then I guess you have an issue to deal with then. Good luck with it.

yaebginn 08-15-2004 03:14 PM

what issue? there are over 6 billion people in the world. I dont know even a small fraction of them. how would I like all of them if I dont even know a little bit of them? Statistically, I dont like most people. I havent even seen most people.

SkinWalker 08-15-2004 03:38 PM

What Would Jesus Do?

Jed 08-15-2004 03:47 PM

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Originally posted by yaebginn
Man, I got some words to say about a few of the new mods as well, but I'll refrain. I never hd a real problem with jed until a few weeksa ago. Iam way against these new changes, except for a few. its cool that Jeds gone, but he still sticks around, so its like nothing happened. now ET is the tauntaun mod, and that doesnt even need to be explained why I am against that.
Yeah, you and the rest of the world :p

Van, you want me to edit people's posts for spam? I delete most spam I see. I don't like to edit people's posts to correct their grammar, since I'd say that borders on acting like a major degrading jackass. Quite frankly, I like to get that message across other ways.

It's not my job, nor any other moderators', to edit out every piece of profanity we find. So get that out of your head. And spam will happen, and it gets taken care of when it becomes a serious problem.

And yeah, you keep pointing out you were warned. Not something to be proud of :p

Quite frankly when it comes down to it, you're disappointed you don't see things moderated the way that you would. I see no valid points here.

yaebginn, the Senate Chambers is the only place in LucasForums where a good debate can happen without resorting to harsh feelings. SkinWalker and C'Jais do an excellent job moderating debates. I don't really care if you visit it or not, frankly, I'm not thinking of you when I move a thread. It's the fact that debates don't belong in places where the atmosphere is going to make everyone else go at each other's throats. And I can't moderate debates; I have and will continue to admit that I suck at political debates. That's why Skin never sees me in there other than to move a thread, isn't that right? ;)

You have absolutely no reason to be against the new moderators already - I've seen forum confrontations between you people and the way it was handled is how I and other staff like to see things get done.

So put the petty differences aside and we'll move on - I'm more than happy to do it, but it seems some like to piss and moan about these things more than I.

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This thread is not a hatred thread against Jed, although it's no secret that I have no respect for him (nor him for me).
Van, you do know that StormHammer and I were the only mods who had any power here at the time you made your post, right? ;)

Rogue Nine 08-15-2004 03:48 PM

yaebginn, all you want is a hug isn't it? I knew it. You're just a snuggly-wuggly teddy bear who needs some affection. C'mere you. :joy:

This place looks like fun. I think I'll hang around more. :D

ZBomber 08-15-2004 03:57 PM

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Originally posted by Rogue Nine
yaebginn, all you want is a hug isn't it? I knew it. You're just a snuggly-wuggly teddy bear who needs some affection. C'mere you. :joy:

This place looks like fun. I think I'll hang around more. :D

I think you should. Some people around here need a handful of Niner, and then I think they will understand. ;)

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What Would Jesus Do?
http://www.misspoppy.com/catalog/img...wwjd_panty.jpg

yaebginn 08-15-2004 04:26 PM

for starters, Jed, you have posted in a debate a few times. when u called me a fool if I disagreed with you. and then I said, 'oh, being called a fool by Jed, like that means anything' and then you said ,' dont flame'

rogue nine, I dont like to be touched. and I dont knwo what Jesus would do, seeing as he doesnt go online much.

Jed 08-15-2004 05:05 PM

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Originally posted by yaebginn
for starters, Jed, you have posted in a debate a few times. when u called me a fool if I disagreed with you. and then I said, 'oh, being called a fool by Jed, like that means anything' and then you said ,' dont flame'
Once again, my point is completely missed. I said I normally don't go to post in the Senate Chambers since I'm bad at it.

You also put your own spin on how things happened. I believe this is the way things went down.

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rogue nine, I dont like to be touched. and I dont knwo what Jesus would do, seeing as he doesnt go online much.
And lighten up, Niner isn't going to molest you :p

Mike Windu 08-15-2004 05:15 PM

Aye, Niner wants sechz.

Good at it too >.>


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