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Endorenna 10-08-2008 10:37 PM

Bastilla: Like her or hate her
 
Okay, I got to wondering this, and I couldn't resist. :D

What do you think of Bastilla?

Inyri 10-08-2008 10:40 PM

Bastila has a very compelling character. On the surface she seems haughty and shallow (which in and of itself is unusual for a Jedi), but she obviously has some inner demons regarding the Force and the Jedi Code, and her game-long battle with it makes for a very interesting character.

You don't see that kind of thing in the films. In the films it's all either 'lol light Jedi' or 'lol dark Jedi' or 'lol light Jedi that becomes dark Jedi.' The lol's are for emphasis. >_>

mimartin 10-08-2008 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Inyri (Post 2535546)
Bastila has a very compelling character. On the surface she seems haughty and shallow (which in and of itself is unusual for a Jedi), but she obviously has some inner demons regarding the Force and the Jedi Code, and her game-long battle with it makes for a very interesting character.

Well said.

I agree with Inyri, I liked Bastila better playing as a female PC because I really did not care for the romance dialog. Even so, she is still my second favorite NPC in either KOTOR or TSL.

Ultimate Vader 10-08-2008 10:53 PM

She's just like other character for me. Nothing special about her. She looks cute, and she has battle meditation, but she's too weak, remember when Malak tortures her, that's the scene I'm referring to. Just lightning like that and she gives up? She's hot, but too weak to become a Jedi (wait, I sound like Desann).

Inyri 10-08-2008 10:58 PM

IIRC he was torturing her for weeks. If you recall, she didn't break in the displayed cutscene.

Ultimate Vader 10-08-2008 11:08 PM

That's right. I said "just lightning like that" because her face looks brave. :)

Hayden Kered 10-08-2008 11:26 PM

I think she was awesome! My first play through of the game I had no clue of the romance between Bastila and Revan. (I never got that far in dialog.) So she was more like a big sister guiding me through the game.

As for her character, she played a big part in an important era! Without her the story line would not have been the same.

Corinthian 10-09-2008 01:15 AM

I really like her character - until she's captured by Malak. Then she becomes a little ridiculous. "Ooh, Look at me, I'm so evil. EEVIL. EEEEEEEEEEEVIL. But I love you, and you're not evil, so I can't be evil" Geez.

JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan 10-09-2008 01:17 AM

a deep, fun, really well made character!
IMO she's awesome! not to mention good looking :D (IMO cute over hot)
i didnt have any inkling of romance when i started either.
#2 k1 char in my book!

oh, and its 'Bastila'. one 'L' ;)
it stinks about the "amnesia on templetop" thing. she forgets she loves revan if revan talks to her after the kiss. if he doesnt, there is different (and IMO way better) dialogue on the temple. its kinda weird...

Ultimate Vader 10-09-2008 01:43 AM

Number one is Revan, isn't it ?

Visas Marr is hotter than Bastila I think :)

Bastila Sham 10-09-2008 01:52 AM

Love her!

There is a wicked party girl under that stodgy upper crust facade. :xp:

Ultimate Vader 10-09-2008 01:56 AM

Who's that wicked party girl?

JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan 10-09-2008 02:06 AM

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Number one is Revan, isn't it ?
mhmm:D

Ultimate Vader 10-09-2008 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan (Post 2535672)
mhmm:D

Of course. You can't play KOTOR 1 if you dislike Revan :D

ChAiNz.2da 10-09-2008 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Inyri (Post 2535546)
Bastila has a very compelling character. On the surface she seems haughty and shallow (which in and of itself is unusual for a Jedi), but she obviously has some inner demons regarding the Force and the Jedi Code, and her game-long battle with it makes for a very interesting character.

You don't see that kind of thing in the films. In the films it's all either 'lol light Jedi' or 'lol dark Jedi' or 'lol light Jedi that becomes dark Jedi.' The lol's are for emphasis. >_>

Inyri said it best... and as far as K1 characters go, other than Jolee, Bastila had a deeper role for my playthroughs than the others. :)

JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan 10-09-2008 03:14 AM

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Of course. You can't play KOTOR 1 if you dislike Revan
actually some people do!

Corinthian 10-09-2008 03:24 AM

Revan has no real character, so I can't see how so many people love him. Hating him mystifies me as well.

Sabretooth 10-09-2008 04:27 AM

I never really thought of Bastila very much: she made me really hate her at some instances, and that should be a compliment to the game's brilliant character design. Still, although she looked and spoke sexy, I cannot say I had much of an opinion regarding her.

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Originally Posted by Corinthian
Revan has no real character, so I can't see how so many people love him. Hating him mystifies me as well.

Agreed! I thought Revan had a cool helmet and all, but technically speaking, Revan has no voice, gender, personality, practically nothing. One interpretation of Revan can be vastly different from another. I have also been mystified, on coming to this forum, as to how so many people seem to think him the coolest person that ever lived.

Corinthian 10-09-2008 05:15 AM

Because he's the player character.

Sabretooth 10-09-2008 05:18 AM

So? I never saw Vaultboy or Generic Character from NWN get as much praise.

Zerimar Nyliram 10-09-2008 05:41 AM

Of course I like her. Who doesn't?

Corinthian 10-09-2008 05:52 AM

The difference being that Revan actually was given a character - that character can basically boil down to this.

Kotor 1: Revan was a Sith Lord. He died, officially. He was a great strategist but betrayed us all.

Kotor 2: OMIGOSH REVAN IS SO AWESOME HE THE GREATEST JEDI EVAR.

Seriously, if Canon Sue ever applied anywhere, it applies to Revan. The only worse ones I can think of are Eragon and Edward Cullen.

Ultimate Vader 10-09-2008 06:47 AM

No, not everybody think Revan's the coolest. I don't think Revan's the coolest (he's cool but not the top one). Actually, it's his robe that looks cool for me :)

JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan 10-09-2008 07:26 AM

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Seriously, if Canon Sue ever applied anywhere, it applies to Revan. The only worse ones I can think of are Eragon and Edward Cullen.
sure, revan can be taken any way. cause thats how he was designed- very adaptable.
this makes anyone make him ideal in their own eyes. the writers will probably cut down his sue-ness sometime. but i dont know... they can do it for pre amnesiac k1 revan easily, but post amnesiac revan will be dangerous territory. unless they want to go canonize him, which they seem to *not* want to do. and if they make revan a certain way, it will undoubtedly make some fans ticked off and that endangers the moolah. maybe it'll happen when they think they've milked kotor enough.
i personally like revan because he was canonized lightside. now when you 'step out' of kotor, and see the PC saying all those lightside options, you get a personality for him. its the same when you do it with dark side. but i never got the 'REVAN IS AWESOME' thing from k2. all i got was a little conversation with kreia explaining what happened to him. maybe its there, but i didnt feel it. i wonder how they'll handle him.
i wonder if they ever will. but heck, *i* (being revan fan) wouldnt mind either way :D

Ultimate Vader 10-09-2008 07:30 AM

If people say Revan is cool in KOTOR 1, then the same thing applies to Jedi Exile in KOTOR 2, right? :D

Corinthian 10-09-2008 03:44 PM

Did you EVER talk to Kreia, JIGOS? Half her conversations are crap like

"Revan was like staring into the Heart of the Force"

"Revan beat them all"

"Revan never truly fell"

Meanwhile, I want to do a flying spin-kick into my own characters face and tear it clean off just so I can get her to shut up.

Zerimar Nyliram 10-09-2008 05:10 PM

Revan's overrated. I like Malak.

JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan 10-09-2008 05:29 PM

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If people say Revan is cool in KOTOR 1, then the same thing applies to Jedi Exile in KOTOR 2, right?
actually, no! i have both games. but i'm not an exile fan. i mean, she's cool, but my preference is revan. i've also played jedi academy, but im not a jaden korr fan. i prefer kyle katarn. and its not because of the 'character that got in first', because i played jedi outcast way after i played academy. (and i used to absolutely *love* JA. i dont anymore FYI)
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Did you EVER talk to Kreia, JIGOS? Half her conversations are crap like

"Revan was like staring into the Heart of the Force"

"Revan beat them all"

"Revan never truly fell"

Meanwhile, I want to do a flying spin-kick into my own characters face and tear it clean off just so I can get her to shut up.
lol! i just took it as, 'well. now i know how it happened'. more than anything, i got it from k1. what, with all that about canderous long talks of revan's military genius, all the masters in the enclave commenting on how incredibly talented the PL is, and bastila thinking she pales in comparison to revan in her mind.
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Revan's overrated. I like Malak.
malak looks SO much better with hair! is it confirmed how he lost his jaw? cause there's that ol joke that he lost his jaw trying to shave with his lightsaber. have you heard his last name?

Corinthian 10-09-2008 05:50 PM

Jaden doesn't have any fans. Nobody likes him.

Anyway, yeah, KotoR 1 had the same kind of thing, but most of that was fairly reasonable - you were a great Jedi and a skilled strategist. KotoR 2 takes that and dials it up to eleven.

Astor 10-09-2008 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan (Post 2536062)
malak looks SO much better with hair! is it confirmed how he lost his jaw? cause there's that ol joke that he lost his jaw trying to shave with his lightsaber. have you heard his last name?

Squinquargesimus? Yes, i've heard it. It sucks.

And, as far as I know, Revan cut off his Jaw.

Yar-El 10-09-2008 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Endorenna (Post 2535542)
Okay, I got to wondering this, and I couldn't resist. :D
What do you think of Bastilla?

My friend has the same attitude, so I have to like her in some manner. Bastila is both strong and emotional. I liked her strength at the start, but I didn't like how the character was played out as a darksider. She started to look too weak, and I was hoping for a stronger female darkside character. It would have been nice if she backstabbed Revan, so she could rule the Sith by herself. :D

TKA-001 10-09-2008 06:15 PM

My view: Bastila is just another character. Not particularly bad or especially good. If I was to place her character in a one-word category I'd go with "Fine".

SW01 10-09-2008 07:15 PM

I thought Bastila was best among the KotOR characters. All of them were extremely well crafted in terms of background and general amiability (well, except for T3...) but I found the interactions with Bastila to be the most entertaining (with Jolee a veeery close second.:D)

And seeing I always inevitably ended up as Darth Revan (even when I triedreally hard to play LS) I like the dark Bastila twist. So much so that I usually change her alignment and put her in Dark Jedi robes as soon as I leave Dantooine!

Lance Monance 10-10-2008 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mimartin (Post 2535552)
Even so, she is still my second favorite NPC in either KOTOR or TSL.

Who's your favorite NPC? :)

@topic
Bastila was quite compelling. Gifted in the force, arrogant due to that, but at the same time unable to keep her emotions in check..

One of the best Kotor NPCs. But TSL features more interesting (but less likeable) characters.

Ultimate Vader 10-10-2008 05:55 AM

For every SW fans : Kreia DESCRIBED Revan as the heat of the force. It is because Revan is Kreia's best student. And you should know that she's a liar. Remember her lesson for the Jedi Exile about distrust is an effective shield?

Kreia praises Revan like when Palpatine praises Anakin everytime (but some of them are true, actually, such as Anakin's skill and power). Please don't get mad at me because of my statement. I'm not an anti-Revan, actually I'm a Revan fan, I just want to make the "heart of the force" thing clear.

Lance Monance 10-10-2008 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Ultimate Vader (Post 2536383)
For every SW fans : Kreia DESCRIBED Revan as the heat of the force. It is because Revan is Kreia's best student. And you should know that she's a liar. Remember her lesson for the Jedi Exile about distrust is an effective shield?

Kreia praises Revan like when Palpatine praises Anakin everytime (but some of them are true, actually, such as Anakin's skill and power). Please don't get mad at me because of my statement. I'm not an anti-Revan, actually I'm a Revan fan, I just want to make the "heart of the force" thing clear.

Kreia seemed to hold Revan in a very high regard and I think she was telling the truth (= her opinion). Also, I don't think "heart of the force" is to be taken literally.

Edit: And why would it make sense to lie about Revan to the Exile? She should know a good deal about Revan's capabilities anyway, since she was a rather important figure in the mandalorian war.

mimartin 10-10-2008 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Lance Monance (Post 2536377)
Who's your favorite NPC? :)

Mira :)

Ctrl Alt Del 10-10-2008 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Inyri (Post 2535546)
Bastila has a very compelling character. On the surface she seems haughty and shallow (which in and of itself is unusual for a Jedi), but she obviously has some inner demons regarding the Force and the Jedi Code, and her game-long battle with it makes for a very interesting character.

Your words are mine. Although I found her darkside personality a little too forced.

Burnseyy 10-13-2008 05:42 PM

I voted for 'Meh, she's okay' solely because... well, her character's all round good, except for when she starts going dark side.
She yaps on for a bit (understatement?) at the start about 'ohh darkside is bad' and then she just drops this bombshell on you, and she's completely changed.

Just doesn't happen, if you ask me. :]

Apart from that - annoying, yeah, but so was everyone in their own way.

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Originally Posted by Ultimate Vader (Post 2535663)
Number one is Revan, isn't it ?

Visas Marr is hotter than Bastila I think :)

How can you judge that on Visas' half a face? lol

Astor 10-13-2008 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Burnseyy (Post 2538200)
Just doesn't happen, if you ask me. :]

To be fair, she was being interrogated and tortured by the Dark Lord of the Sith.

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Apart from that - annoying, yeah, but so was everyone in their own way.
So do you actually like the game or not? :xp:

Regards the hotter thing - Visas has no eyes.


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