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Monkey Mania 03-22-2010 11:03 PM

Monkey Island 2 - LeChuck's Revenge SE: 'Cursed' Edition
 
Greetings fellow MI fans! Unfortunately, the project I was recruited into has fallen apart. It was a Monkey Island fan game headed by SilverWolfPet featuring Maniac Mansion style character control and CMI graphics. You could control Guybrush, Stan, and Murray. Majus was to provide the voice of Guybrush. A majority of the jokes and puzzles were already written as well as a good amount of the plot.

Now I have the opportunity to give a superior Monkey Island game the 'Curse' treatment. Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge!

UPDATE1:

Guybrush:
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/998/guybrush13.png

Laserschwert 03-23-2010 04:34 AM

Mh, don't you think it would make more sense to do this for MI1 first? After all it would be easier to accomplish (lesser animation frames, lesser actions, lesser characters), plus MI1SE is in much more need of a visual makeover than MI2SE seems to be. And you've already started on that one!

Ravey 03-23-2010 07:06 AM

This would take forever to do.

You could make a whole new original game, and that would be a smaller undertaking!

Monkey Mania 03-23-2010 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Laserschwert (Post 2714297)
Mh, don't you think it would make more sense to do this for MI1 first? After all it would be easier to accomplish (lesser animation frames, lesser actions, lesser characters), plus MI1SE is in much more need of a visual makeover than MI2SE seems to be. And you've already started on that one!

MI2 better represents CMI's cartoonish nature. SMISE simply didn't allow enough frames in Guybrush's walk animation. It looked awful with CMI Guybrush.

I also believe MI2's backgrounds work better with CMI style characters than SMI's backgrounds.

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Originally Posted by Ravey (Post 2714303)
This would take forever to do.

You could make a whole new original game, and that would be a smaller undertaking!

That would actually take longer.
There's only so much a graphics artist can do.

Varrok 03-23-2010 04:22 PM

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MI2 better represents CMI's cartoonish nature. SMISE simply didn't allow enough frames in Guybrush's walk animation. It looked awful with CMI Guybrush.

I also believe MI2's backgrounds work better with CMI style characters than SMI's backgrounds.
I don't think that animations with CMI sprites would look awful :P And SMI:SE's backgrounds are a bit based on CMI art style :P

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plus MI1SE is in much more need of a visual makeover than MI2SE seems to be
Agree.


Also:
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MI2 better represents CMI's cartoonish nature
It's sometimes too cartoonish - imagine your version of guybrush with flying hair when he meets LeChucks :P

Laserschwert 03-23-2010 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Monkey Mania (Post 2714313)
SMISE simply didn't allow enough frames in Guybrush's walk animation. It looked awful with CMI Guybrush.

But seriously... you're gonna draw a 22 frame walkcycle for four directions, plus probably just as smooth action animations for him? That's overkill!

I still think a Cursed-edition of MI1SE might make sense (and looks much more manageable to finish it!). And regarding the walkcycle:

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/1492/mi1.gif http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/6711/mi3.gif

I agree that the CMI-walkcycle looks choppy on that 6-frame-walk. But I think that the second contact-position (where his left leg is fully extended forward) is the problem here.

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/1197/mi3b.gif

Here I've used the first contact position at the second contact as well, and when ignoring the "flip" of arms and legs, it looks already way smoother and would absolutely work. You only have to draw a contact position based on the first one, with arms and legs reversed. Of course the CMI-walkcycle has some depth to it, which the MI1-sprite doesn't, and it causes some "wiggle". But I think when getting rid of the perspective and fixing the second contact-position, it'll look great. Also I think that in CMI he looks way lankier than he's supposed to be in MI1, so it'd be better if you draw him slightly stiffer... not so much bouncing his head or bending his body. This would help making the walkcycle look less choppy too.

Plus THIS looks gorgeous:

http://i29.tinypic.com/1zog55t.jpg

And I don't think the Cursed-style sprite collides with the background-style at all!

Monkey Mania 03-23-2010 09:06 PM

I'm about 1/3 the way done with Guybrush's sideway's walk.
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Originally Posted by Laserschwert (Post 2714398)
But seriously... you're gonna draw a 22 frame walkcycle for four directions, plus probably just as smooth action animations for him? That's overkill!
Actually, only three, unless LucasArts updated the engine to support 4 (both left and right walkcycles).
I still think a Cursed-edition of MI1SE might make sense (and looks much more manageable to finish it!).
Yes, it would seem that way. I never said I wouldn't finish SMISE Cursed. ;)
I just prefer to work on the better game.


Here I've used the first contact position at the second contact as well, and when ignoring the "flip" of arms and legs, it looks already way smoother and would absolutely work. You only have to draw a contact position based on the first one, with arms and legs reversed. Of course the CMI-walkcycle has some depth to it, which the MI1-sprite doesn't, and it causes some "wiggle". But I think when getting rid of the perspective and fixing the second contact-position, it'll look great. Also I think that in CMI he looks way lankier than he's supposed to be in MI1, so it'd be better if you draw him slightly stiffer... not so much bouncing his head or bending his body. This would help making the walkcycle look less choppy too.
Nice, I'll keep that in mind when I work on SMISE.
Plus THIS looks gorgeous:

And I don't think the Cursed-style sprite collides with the background-style at all!
I never said they did, I just think MI2's backgrounds look better with CMI sprites.


Varrok 03-24-2010 02:52 AM

Don't you think it's better to start modding from the first SE game? Is there a chance that when you'll complete SE2:Cursed mod you'll say "Naaah, too old/too bad" about SE1:Cursed? Actually, you don't know how MI2:SE looks in technical terms... :)

Jenni 03-24-2010 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Laserschwert (Post 2714297)
Mh, don't you think it would make more sense to do this for MI1 first? After all it would be easier to accomplish (lesser animation frames, lesser actions, lesser characters), plus MI1SE is in much more need of a visual makeover than MI2SE seems to be. And you've already started on that one!

I'm still working on the SMI:SE Cursed Edition, from Monkey Mania's work with his permission. It was a pain in the neck for me before, since I didn't have a computer new enough to actually run the game so I could test my changes, and Paint.NET was completely foreign to me. Now I've got a newer computer and I have finally gotten used to Paint.NET, so now I'm working a bit more on it.

Laserschwert 03-24-2010 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Varrok (Post 2714512)
Actually, you don't know how MI2:SE looks in technical terms... :)

Good point... the data-files from MI2 might be protected this time... no sprite ripping or replacement...

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Originally Posted by Jenni (Post 2714514)
I'm still working on the SMI:SE Cursed Edition

Are you working on the sprites as well? I have a very cloudy memory of you talking about Cursifying the backgrounds...

Snugglecakes 03-24-2010 07:42 AM

Wow this is a lot of work and you're brave to be taking it on! While I have admiration for your effort... um... why? I like MI2 guybrush the way he is, might be better to wait for the SE and fix the LucasArts guybrush so he looks more like the real MI2 guybrush? I don't think I'd ever play a version of MI2 with CMI guybrush.. don't really see the point? What am I missing here...

Monkey Mania 03-24-2010 01:23 PM

See, Jenni is still working on SMISE: Cursed Ed. There's nothing to be concerned about.

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Originally Posted by Snugglecakes (Post 2714528)
Wow this is a lot of work and you're brave to be taking it on! While I have admiration for your effort... um... why? I like MI2 guybrush the way he is, might be better to wait for the SE and fix the LucasArts guybrush so he looks more like the real MI2 guybrush? I don't think I'd ever play a version of MI2 with CMI guybrush.. don't really see the point? What am I missing here...

I guess you aren't much of a Curse fan. I can understand that. There are a boat load of people who would love a CMI edition of MI2.

bakana 03-24-2010 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Snugglecakes (Post 2714528)
Wow this is a lot of work and you're brave to be taking it on! While I have admiration for your effort... um... why? I like MI2 guybrush the way he is, might be better to wait for the SE and fix the LucasArts guybrush so he looks more like the real MI2 guybrush? I don't think I'd ever play a version of MI2 with CMI guybrush.. don't really see the point? What am I missing here...

Wait until you see my amazing new HD version of Super Mario Bros. where every graphic is painstakingly replaced with its equivalent from the Super Mario Brothers movie!

Snugglecakes 03-24-2010 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Monkey Mania (Post 2714569)
I guess you aren't much of a Curse fan. I can understand that. There are a boat load of people who would love a CMI edition of MI2.

Nah I loved Curse! Playing it again right now actually. Just don't get the point of CMI Guybrush in MI2... maybe I'm getting old

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Originally Posted by bakana (Post 2714607)
Wait until you see my amazing new HD version of Super Mario Bros. where every graphic is painstakingly replaced with its equivalent from the Super Mario Brothers movie!

lol

Jenni 03-24-2010 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laserschwert (Post 2714517)
Good point... the data-files from MI2 might be protected this time... no sprite ripping or replacement...


Are you working on the sprites as well? I have a very cloudy memory of you talking about Cursifying the backgrounds...

Yes. I'm working on the backgrounds and characters. I'm working on getting Monkey Mania's Guybrush in all of the sprite sheets right now. Then I'll move on to Monkey Mania's lookout. The last effort I tried back in December before I got the hang of Paint.NET caused the entire layout of the sprite sheet to get screwed up. Now that I know what I'm doing, I'm going to do what Monkey Mania was planning to do and do one scene at a time.

I'm going to Cursify other characters than what Monkey Mania already did too. :) The next scene I'm planning on tackling after this is the Fettuccini Brothers Circus.

Laserschwert 03-24-2010 07:24 PM

Very cool, looking forward to those. The other "Cursed"-Edtion thread is still there, so it'd be great if you would post your progress over there once something "showable" is done. :)

Monkey Mania 03-24-2010 10:22 PM

Something like this would be ideal, but I'm not that good of an artist. CMI graphics will be more fun.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_FbFu1YBZ-H...00/MI2_Sml.jpg

OzzieMonkey 03-25-2010 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Monkey Mania (Post 2714669)
Something like this would be ideal, but I'm not that good of an artist. CMI graphics will be more fun.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_FbFu1YBZ-H...00/MI2_Sml.jpg

Hey, maybe that should've been the cover art for Monkey Island 2:Special Edition. Although I have nothing to complain about the cover they used.

Monkey Mania 03-28-2010 07:30 PM

Update: Guybrush Sprite

gos 04-02-2010 11:01 AM

lucasarts did a really spectacular job in CMI.the music the backgrounds the cartoon...amazing, it was the best in the series. i hope if they make tales of monkey island like this :(

there was an Italian fan project called : "the darkness of monkey island" it was CMI styled too.
i dunno what happened with it...any one have any idea?

some fan projects:

http://www.flat-life.com/blogimages/scrnshot1.png

http://www.dariosalvelli.com/wp-cont...ssmonkey51.gif
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5...rgo2vb2gu4.jpg
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/3692/borgotd8.gif
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/6560/brumori9rz.jpg
http://www.t-vandepoele.be/pms/e107_...ire_it_up!.PNG
http://www.t-vandepoele.be/pms/e107_...s/Junkyard.png
http://www.t-vandepoele.be/pms/e107_...ious_water.png
http://www.t-vandepoele.be/pms/e107_...ious_water.png
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_JOnbUZoYXQ...er+-+Color.jpg

and there is a demo for this game:
http://www.gigi77.altervista.org/venditoreombrelli.png

Cyrus7 05-11-2010 07:20 AM

Hope these CMI-styled projects will inspire you. Good luck, can't wait to see the game!

TemurKayim11 08-04-2010 05:23 AM

Hello I am new to the forums...

I am a graphic artist my self ı want to make a Monkey island my self with the CMI graphics.....

Would like to find people that can help in this project....

My game will be more like combination of pirates game and CMI ı will add rpg skills to our crews so they will be more usefull....


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