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Zerimar Nyliram 12-01-2011 11:10 PM

[K1] New Head Choice: Revan's Canonical Face (TOR spoilers)
 
Hey, all! Given that we now know what Revan looks like, is it possible that someone could create a head for the first game that resembles him? I have included a photo (which someone put together by pulling the assets from the beta release of The Old Republic) as well as two YouTube videos.

It would be ideal that this new head be created without the scarring sin in the photo and videos (an obvious impression of Revan's famous visor, which was burnt into his skin after the events of KOTOR in an incident that occurred in the new novel The Old Republic: Revan). It is also stated in the novel that Revan wore his hair long both during the Mandalorian Wars and once again after the events of the game, but was cut short during the events of the game itself when the Jedi Council rewrote his personality; so if it isn't too much to ask, maybe it might be nice to create two heads, one with the long hair seen in the photo, and one with shorter hair. But I will be more than content with just one head, with long hair.

Thanks a bunch!


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Canderis 12-01-2011 11:22 PM

I plan to do this when i find time.

Zerimar Nyliram 12-02-2011 12:35 AM

Sweet! Thanks, man! Looking forward to it.

Arannor 12-02-2011 12:43 AM

I'm keeping an eye on this thread...:DJOY:D

Blix 12-02-2011 01:10 AM

There's one head in K1 that somewhat resembles that one sans the beard, and the hair is slightly lighter in color.

Shaggoth 12-02-2011 05:00 AM

wow, looks cool :)
i've also liked that saber with lighnings :)

Thanatos9t 12-02-2011 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Blix (Post 2796888)
There's one head in K1 that somewhat resembles that one sans the beard, and the hair is slightly lighter in color.

Yeah the appropriately nicknamed Mullet Man head which surprisingly it is one of the only heads that was not used in TSL:
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/1424/mulletman.png

Zerimar Nyliram 12-02-2011 07:39 AM

I actually don't think that head resembles the new face very much at all. The face is thicker, the features are off, and the hairline is way different. Still, it's probably the closest. It's the one I've always used.

Thanatos9t 12-02-2011 10:20 AM

Hairline could be down to age and the thickness of the face could be down to malnutrition as his face looks gaunt, which would make sense as Revan was quite muscular in KoToR but he appears to be skinnier in ToR.

Also K1's game engine is eight years old so there are bound to be difference between a game from 2011 and a game from 2003.

Canderis 12-02-2011 04:26 PM

Im not leaving the hair like it Is in tor. I'd guess he'd bald A bit ssince then, but im not going to keep it the same either.

Thanatos9t 12-02-2011 04:57 PM

Hope you don't mind a little competition:
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mr_dad 12-02-2011 05:06 PM

Of course the scars were probably during his capture so he wouldn't have them during KOTOR 1, but still really nice job.

Thanatos9t 12-02-2011 05:13 PM

Yeah I know I used the scars to help me get the beard to look right so I can toggle the scars:
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LDR 12-02-2011 08:08 PM

That looks pretty good. The scars should be a bit easy, as the texture is mirrored and it would allow the scars to be perfectly aligned on both sides of his face.

Scorge 12-02-2011 08:42 PM

That looks really nice, Awesome job!

Arannor 12-03-2011 01:56 AM

That looks so cool, great work!

Just wanted to share this, some one at wookieepedia claims to have e-mailed Drew about Revan's true face and the in game choice from K1. Drew replied stating that they did not base his looks off of any models from K1 but rather from a concept artist who is working for SWTOR.

Here is a snapshot of the guys e-mail reply, it was on the talk page for Revan:
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Thanatos9t 12-03-2011 02:25 PM

Decided to improved the detail on the scarred version:
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Arannor 12-03-2011 04:24 PM

Looking good. Do you think you will use the scarred face for Dark side transition or just leave it as a seperate head?

Zerimar Nyliram 01-17-2012 11:31 AM

Looking great, man! Thank you so much!

My only objection is that the mustache seems a tad too thick. On the model from TOR, it seems to be groomed and does not stick out a whole lot.





[Edit]So, how are your skins progressing, guys? I'm really eager about this because I hope to replay KOTOR soon.

VarsityPuppet 01-17-2012 07:40 PM

Mullet guy's hair should be used, but I think the bald guy with the soul patch looks more like said Revan. I'd be inclined to try it out myself.

Mullet guy's hair + soul patch guy's head (with some minor tweaks) = the best Revan.

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Also, is it just me, or are Knights of the Old Republic and Fable borrowing from one another now?

I mean, Revan looks kind of familar...

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and then lets not forget Kreia... oops I mean Theresa

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Here's the head model. Fully working in-game. It seemed like too much work to merge soul patch head with mullet head, so I did the best I could with mullet head. Looking at it alone, it doesn't much different, but compared to the original, you can really see the difference.

Idk if you want to use my model with your head skin, Thanatos, but you're certainly welcome to.

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Btw, the lighting on the heads is different because I took the screenshots in different places.

Zerimar Nyliram 01-25-2012 01:17 PM

Hello? Canderis and Thanatos9t? Are you guys still out there? Still working on this? We'd all really love an update!


Wow, that's amazing work, VarsityPuppet! Thank you so much! I hope one of these guys can use it.

VarsityPuppet 01-25-2012 06:19 PM

If neither Thanatos or Canderis responds, I may take matters into my own hands and make my own skin.

I could always talk to redrob too maybe...

Canderis 01-25-2012 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Zerimar Nyliram (Post 2802446)
Hello? Canderis and Thanatos9t? Are you guys still out there? Still working on this? We'd all really love an update!


Wow, that's amazing work, VarsityPuppet! Thank you so much! I hope one of these guys can use it.

Ive been too busy tO do it. I may do it eventually, summer, but not now.

Thanatos9t 01-26-2012 06:16 AM

Sorry I have also been busy with a new job and Star Trek Online, VarsityPuppet I would be interested in using your head.

Zerimar Nyliram 01-26-2012 11:58 AM

Oh, okay. That's cool.

VarsityPuppet: Hey, man, I'd say definitely get on this project if you can. It's always good to have multiple people working toward the same goal, especially since I'd imagine that this would probably be a fairly popular mod.

The hair you used looks great, but would it be possible to rework it so that he has a widow's peak? If not, that's cool.

redrob41 02-04-2012 04:57 PM

Hey, I must have missed this thread. I'll have to keep an eye on it. I don't quite have the time right now to help out, but I'd like to.

VP, your reshaping of that head model is looking pretty close to the canon TOR model. I'd say that the cupid's bow (the top of the lip below the nose) is still a bit too pointy, but that might be mostly the texture. The nose looks spot on from this angle. The outside corners of the eyes could come down a touch, or maybe not the corner itself, but the bottom edge could be rounded a bit more? The eyebrows can be fixed with texture, same for the hair line, so no real model issues there (that I can see anyway).

Great work, it'll be nice to play when it's done :D

.:Lord Revan:. 02-06-2012 09:50 AM

Awesome, i remeber typeing 'Revan in the old republic' for the longest time until i found that video.

darth-ackbar 02-16-2012 08:10 AM

Hi everyone, just found this and I thought I'd say that I will probably try and do this at some point, mainly to be used in my TC mod but I'd be happy to release it as a modders resource if and when it's finished.

Devizz 02-24-2012 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by darth-ackbar (Post 2804687)
Hi everyone, just found this and I thought I'd say that I will probably try and do this at some point, mainly to be used in my TC mod but I'd be happy to release it as a modders resource if and when it's finished.

Nice, I am thinking about playing the game again and it would be pretty cool to play through it with Revan's canon face like we saw in TOR. ;) Keep us updated!

valten7 03-06-2012 10:01 AM

Incredible job, VP. Your model face is awesome. When we may get it ??

VarsityPuppet 03-06-2012 03:16 PM

Was waiting for Thanatos to make the skins for it, but I think I may just have to do the skins myself. Mind you that this will be Revan as he should look around the time of Kotor 1, so it will resemble the TOR head, not replicate it. Beard may or may not be present, and the mask scars probably won't be present.

If all else fails, I can always release it as a modder's resource for people to reskin as they see fit.

redrob41 03-06-2012 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by VarsityPuppet (Post 2806764)
Was waiting for Thanatos to make the skins for it, but I think I may just have to do the skins myself. Mind you that this will be Revan as he should look around the time of Kotor 1, so it will resemble the TOR head, not replicate it. Beard may or may not be present, and the mask scars probably won't be present.

If all else fails, I can always release it as a modder's resource for people to reskin as they see fit.

I might be able to eke out a few hours in the next week or so. If you send me what you've go so far, I can take a stab at it :). So, if you did a TSL version, would the mask scars be present then? Or do they happen after TSL?

Canderis 03-06-2012 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by redrob41 (Post 2806779)
I might be able to eke out a few hours in the next week or so. If you send me what you've go so far, I can take a stab at it :). So, if you did a TSL version, would the mask scars be present then? Or do they happen after TSL?

It happened after

VarsityPuppet 03-07-2012 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by redrob41 (Post 2806779)
I might be able to eke out a few hours in the next week or so. If you send me what you've go so far, I can take a stab at it :). So, if you did a TSL version, would the mask scars be present then? Or do they happen after TSL?

Probably after TSL... I imagine he would pretty much exactly the same in TSL though - maybe slightly diffrent since his only appearances in TSL are in that one tomb vision. He'd probably be dark side, a little younger and more well-kempt than the Kotor 1 version - which I'm currently imagining him with a decent 5 o' clock shadow.

Will send you the files tomorrow redrob ;)

redrob41 03-07-2012 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by VarsityPuppet (Post 2801767)
Mullet guy's hair + soul patch guy's head (with some minor tweaks) = the best Revan.

you know, the more I think about it, the more it looks like PMHC01 is the canon head. Think about it, when Revan decides to never take off the Mando mask until the Cathar are avenged, that leaves little room for proper grooming. When Bastila and the Council finally capture him, he probably looked like a mess once they took the mask off him. When they mind wiped him and gave him a new identity, they probably gave him a hair cut and a shave as well. Otherwise, how would Bastila ever fall in love with a Jedi that looks like a Wookiee and smells like a Bantha? Once the two get hitched after Kotor ending, he lets his hair grow again, 'cause the long hair and beard look is a human Jedi tradition (or something).

Anyway, I couldn't find any original screenshots, so here are some mods (similar angle to pic in post #1) to back up my theory:
http://knightsoftheoldrepublic.filef...ts/File/66315/
http://knightsoftheoldrepublic.filef...s/File/99551/1

The only thing that blows my theory out of the stars, is PMHC01 has a scar under his right eye, and the TOR Revan instead has a scar on his lips (not including the mask scars that happen after TSL)

Thanks for the files VP, I'll look at 'em this weekend.

VarsityPuppet 03-07-2012 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by redrob41 (Post 2806861)
Anyway, I couldn't find any original screenshots, so here are some mods (similar angle to pic in post #1) to back up my theory:
http://knightsoftheoldrepublic.filef...ts/File/66315/
http://knightsoftheoldrepublic.filef...s/File/99551/1

An interesting theory - and my theory at one point. If anything, a slightly more gaunt face would go a long way.

I may take a look at it quick and see if I can whip up something slightly different - something that includes that head but with the longer hair (and of course the possible lip scar)


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Round 2
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I tried using the head Redrob suggested and I like the results. While the head isn't so resemblant of TOR Revan's beard and long hair combo, there were some other details I feel I tackled more closely than the previous model. The eyebrows and hairline I think are quite perfect. I also made his forehead much larger, and of course, his cheekbones are much more prevalent (due to having gaunt cheeks). I removed the eye scar (not intending to put a lip scar) and I'm still sort of undecided on whether or not to give him longer hair. On one hand, it seems like having short hair would go along with the whole "rehabilitated Jedi" sort of dealio, but then again, it doesn't really look like Revan either.

Slstoev 03-08-2012 07:54 AM

VP, that looks exactly like Galen Marek in the Force Unleashed games... other than the mouth.

VarsityPuppet 03-08-2012 08:48 AM

If he had the hair and beard combo, it'd be different.

Which I think it's obvious I may need to do that now -_-;

redrob41 03-08-2012 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by VarsityPuppet (Post 2806869)
The eyebrows and hairline I think are quite perfect. I also made his forehead much larger, and of course, his cheekbones are much more prevalent (due to having gaunt cheeks).

The other thing that really struck me, was the mouth really matches the TOR version as well.

I think that before Malak betrayed him, Revan didn't have a beard, but only had long hair. At least, I can't see a beard or sideburns in this pic. Then again, since it is from a recording about "history", they might not have had all the facts. Maybe the beard happened while in prison/stasis/watever.

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VP, I think that merging the long hair onto this one would be the closest to canon, even though we could reason that the buzz cut is plausible. I know that merging models isn't the easiest, but if you get one that works, I think that's the way to go.

Scorge 03-08-2012 03:51 PM

The video for the empire version is not there anymore. And will a skin of the mask be included as well?


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