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mimartin 05-06-2013 10:46 PM

Canon and New Movies, Your Opinion?
 
Another Poll Question from Char Ell, so credit, blame goes to him.

In your view how important is it for the new Star Wars movies to not contradict/retcon existing Star Wars canon established by books, comics, and video games of the Expanded Universe set in the time period after Return of the Jedi?

-Utmost importance - the new movies should not retcon anything already established in the post-RotJ EU.

-Fairly important - the new movies should make every effort to not retcon post-RotJ EU but some retcons may be acceptable.

-Indifferent - it's fine if the new movies retcon post-RotJ EU and OK if they don't do any retcons too.

-Not very important - post-RotJ EU isn't much to get excited about, retcons are acceptable and to be expected.

-Not at all important - blow away the entire post-RotJ EU and start fresh!

urluckyday 05-06-2013 11:10 PM

I'd say that it's of the utmost importance - there's an entire galaxy of content that has been carefully created by talented authors already.

Bob Saget 05-07-2013 12:49 AM

Post ROTJ EU isn't exactly great other than Kyle Katarn and other various stuff, so I'd be ok for them overriding areas that are crap. However, erasing Kyle Katarn will make me go insane.

Red Hessian 05-07-2013 04:31 AM

^ Agreed. As long as they keep Kyle Katarn, I'm happy. So I'll go with "Fairly important".

Miltiades 05-07-2013 08:37 AM

The only thing post-EU that I really liked were the Thrawn trilogy and stuff concerning Kyle Katarn. Other than that, blow away!

Alexrd 05-07-2013 09:02 AM

As long as they get rid of Sidious' clones, fine by me.

mimartin 05-07-2013 02:38 PM

Erase Chewie's fate and they can do whatever they want.

Mandalore5 05-07-2013 03:19 PM

Don't touch Thrawn or Katarn - other than that, no problem.

Lynk Former 05-07-2013 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mandalore5 (Post 2832062)
Don't touch Thrawn or Katarn - other than that, no problem.

Pretty much.

Darth_Calo 05-07-2013 07:10 PM

It depends on the canon being contradicted. If they suddenly say "lol JK Yoda didn't die" I'll be annoyed. If they say that there was no truce at Bakura, I'll be fine.

Other than that, Kyle Katarn being there is a must, Rosh Penin is optional, Jaden Korr is optional (mostly because they were relatively minor video game only characters), and the Thrawn Trilogy must be kept intact.

Other than that....Chewie dies? Jacen goes all evil pants? Some fat evil wound-in-the-force/shapeless blob tries to eat Han and Leia's son, conveniently enough named Anakin? It can all be disregarded.

I would enjoy seeing the events of The Courtship of Princess Leia in film, if only because it would 'complete' that arc started in A New Hope

mimartin 05-07-2013 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth_Calo (Post 2832077)
I would enjoy seeing the events of The Courtship of Princess Leia in film, if only because it would 'complete' that arc started in A New Hope

Really long courtship if they are going to have Carrie Fisher play Leia. :xp:

Darth Avlectus 05-08-2013 12:55 AM

Going to say fairly. Would say utmost but also recognize a need of creative flexibility sometimes.

I too don't have a problem for retconning canon if it's hurtful to the series or just sucky. Problem is your opinion may differ from the next one's and so-on.

Legacy and its apparent successor...I understand it isn't all that hot, but at least they're trying to come up with new content that is fairly original.

I understand the original trilogy is iconic. However, we need some fresh air. If people cant distinguish Malgus from Vader, or republic troops from clones and stormtroopers? As Ron White would say:

http://www.curtaincalltv.net/uploads...41817_orig.jpg

"There's your sign".


I liked Kyle Katarn's stuff.

Never read the NJO series. So, honestly I can't say I'd be too torn about it if other stuff got nerfed.

Heard thrawn was good but never read it. Yeah, I know, burn the heretic. :roleyess:

So it is what it is. Take it for what you will.

Sabretooth 05-08-2013 06:37 AM

I don't know or care much about post-RotJ expanded universe, apart from the Yuuzhan Vong and some weird **** like Luke's kids or something, so no, I couldn't care less. Whatever J.J. Abrams does, I'm certain it will be better than what's squatting on the spot right now.

(JJ ABRAMS IF YOU'RE READING THIS READ MY JADEN KORR FANFIC IT IS THE PERFECT SCRIPT)

Pho3nix 05-08-2013 09:15 AM

Yeah I'm with Sabre on this one... never really delved into EU stuff that much so I'm kinda indifferent. :rhett:

Bob Saget 05-08-2013 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sabretooth (Post 2832106)
(JJ ABRAMS IF YOU'RE READING THIS READ MY JADEN KORR FANFIC IT IS THE PERFECT SCRIPT)

Offtopic - can you link me to it in a pm? sounds intriguing.

Either way, I doubt Disney will retcon too much, though I'd be happy to see the Emperor's clones gone. What a disastrous story that was.

Darth_Calo 05-08-2013 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by mimartin (Post 2832081)
Really long courtship if they are going to have Carrie Fisher play Leia. :xp:

Ha! Yes, well, maybe they find new actress to portray Leia.

And a new actor for Han
And a new actor for Luke

Yes, I know I speak blasphemy by suggesting that, but none of the "big three" stars from A New Hope - Return of the Jedi have aged particularly well.

GeneralPloKoon 05-08-2013 01:41 PM

I love alot of the EU so I picked Fairly Important, some parts of the EU can have silly stuff so I wouldn't mind a little recon here and there. I really hope the EU stays intact, the many authors who have worked in the EU has made a great effort in having a stable continuity, for the most part. And things that are retconned I wouldn't mind having rewrites or additions.

I think the Halo novel The Fall of Reach had some changes after the release of Halo:Reach due to the game kinda changing some things that didn't match with the novel.

Jamps 05-08-2013 03:01 PM

I'd like to see them wipe the slate clean so-to-speak and retcon the post-ROTJ EU. That being said, I would love to see them pull characters and ideas from that content to make a new, untold story. Its going to be interesting to see what they do...

mimartin 05-08-2013 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth_Calo (Post 2832115)
Yes, I know I speak blasphemy by suggesting that, but none of the "big three" stars from A New Hope - Return of the Jedi have aged particularly well.

Harrison Ford aged extremely well, he is just 70 years old now. Hell he was still convincingly playing his type of action hero in his 60's.

In Fisher case, to borrow from Ford's list of famous lines, "It's not the years, honey, it's the mileage."

urluckyday 05-08-2013 08:26 PM

Could you imagine a movie that stars Kyle Katarn?! That'd be great!

Darth Avlectus 05-08-2013 11:03 PM

Hell yeah! I'd totally go for it. From the first Dark Forces. That's one exception I would make if they were to trot back in on original trilogy territory.

Darth_Calo 05-09-2013 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mimartin (Post 2832141)
Harrison Ford aged extremely well, he is just 70 years old now. Hell he was still convincingly playing his type of action hero in his 60's.

In Fisher case, to borrow from Ford's list of famous lines, "It's not the years, honey, it's the mileage."

maybe; maybe. but if they get a younger actress for Leia they have to do the same for Han. In my opinion.

I saw Mark Hamil on an episode of Chuck a while back -- 2011 maybe--didn't look like the same guy.

purifier 05-09-2013 02:40 PM

I believe it's necessary and fairly important, especially with the intro of Kyle Katarn. But something tells me they're not going to go that way.

Tommycat 05-09-2013 07:06 PM

I think the majority of the post ROTJ canon can be sent to the circular file for all I care. I seriously hope they do it justice, and make it new again.

Q 05-17-2013 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Miltiades (Post 2832042)
The only thing post-EU that I really liked were the Thrawn trilogy and stuff concerning Kyle Katarn. Other than that, blow away!

This.

They can just flush the rest. :D

noizer 05-19-2013 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mandalore5 (Post 2832062)
Don't touch Thrawn or Katarn - other than that, no problem.

i agree.

DAWUSS 05-28-2013 06:23 PM

I'd say it's important (even with as much crap as the EU contains), but I have a feeling there will be a massive retcon session going on at Wookieepedia once the new trilogies come out.

K_Kinnison 07-12-2013 01:12 PM

Bad enough that GL retconned his original movies. But for Disney to smear the original movies with a crap sandwich in an attempt to re-imagine it would be a travesty

Darth Xander 07-18-2013 08:51 AM

It'd be great if it was centered about the Old Republic times, but I highly doubt that would happen. A few references would be great, but I do think they should stick to canon.

Lord Foley 08-09-2013 12:28 AM

I want them to ignore EU canon completely.

Totenkopf 09-06-2013 02:04 AM

Lots of mediocre stuff since original series. Doubt most people would know what got nerfed if they did contradict it....until some enraged fanboy made a stink. Even then....most probably woudn't care. Thrawn best of lot, Rogue Squadron stuff wasn't too bad. Katarn can stay too. the rest........

Prime 09-06-2013 03:24 PM

If it got rid of the Vong I'd be cool with that. As would having Chewie back.

Totenkopf 09-07-2013 02:57 AM

^^yeah, SW w/o Chewie not really right.

Darth_Calo 09-24-2013 10:20 PM

I was thinking about it. I'd accept a "midquel" of sorts. Think Lion King 1 1/2. Between A New Hope and Empire Strikes back. What other systems does Vader search? Other stuff as well. Or maybe between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope. The Great Jedi Purge took a long time, and there was nearly 20 years between ROTS and ANH.

Oh and I selected "Yoda" because if they could work Yoda into it, that would make it better. I think so at least.

Zerimar Nyliram 10-17-2013 10:12 AM

I would be fine with very, very minor events being rewritten, rearranged, or overridden, but deleting whole chunks like the Yuuzhan Vong War, or major events like the deaths of Chewie or the Solo kids is just going too far, regardless of how the public feels about these events. I will not consider the new films canon if they do.

And honestly, I don't understand why everyone is so butt hurt over Chewie's death. In fiction, as in real life, people die. This included likable characters. Loss is real and isn't choosy.

Redwing 10-24-2013 07:03 PM

Honestly, I think it would be better to completely ignore every facet of it. The current universe can officially be an AU.

I really can't see any good story being written within the constraints of the EU. And I loved a lot of the EU.

Also, making a totally different canon means that the writers have the option to include stuff we all love (or that at least some of us love).

However... I really want them to include some of the the EU characters if possible. Tell completely different stories with them, or even relegate them to cameos, but I'd love to see Thrawn, Mara Jade, and other iconic characters like that make appearances or play roles.

But let's be honest, a large amount of the EU stuff is either crap or works well but could easily make the new movies crap if they tried to stick to it. I'm willing to be proven wrong here, but I doubt I will be.

Zerimar Nyliram 10-30-2013 10:07 AM

To me, that would be a major sellout for Star Wars since the whole alternate universe thing (where everything outside of the movies is not recognized, and its continuity is not heeded between authors) is something that Star Wars has not suffered from, as opposed to, say, Star Trek. It was the first franchise to take such a thing seriously, and others have since followed suit. To go back on that would be a slap in the face to the other writers as well as their fans.

Now, I'm not suggesting meticulous adherence to the EU. Certain events can be retconned, rewritten, or even overridden (but not major events, like Chewie's death or the whole Yuuzhan Vong War, as others here have suggested). After all, the EU itself does this all the time with new material. I'm suggesting adhering to the general timeline as a whole, as well as its events.

Redwing 11-08-2013 08:56 PM

Quote:

To me, that would be a major sellout
...sell...out...?

This doesn't fit any definition of "sellout" that I have ever been aware of.

Also understand that I'm not speaking of in-story alternate universes. Just separate canons.

I think the writers should be free to do what they want. If they want to include the Vong and offing Chewie, then sure. If they don't, then, well, forget it.

Zerimar Nyliram 11-13-2013 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Redwing (Post 2840075)
.Also understand that I'm not speaking of in-story alternate universes. Just separate canons.

I . . . I know. I don't see how my post implied anything different.

Redwing 11-18-2013 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zerimar Nyliram (Post 2840252)
I . . . I know. I don't see how my post implied anything different.

I think I got confused with regards to your comparison to Star Trek, then.


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