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Old 04-30-2009, 04:54 AM   #47
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There is not reason enough evidence to believe one event must inevitably follow another without argument for such claim.
Already addressed this. There is an argument that one event could follow another on the basis that a precedent has been set. Therefore not a slippery slope as you keep insisting.

Glad to see you read the link. Sorry to see that you're still not quite there on the content.

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The fact itself that he is willing to employ questionable tactics may have merit. However the flaw in your argument is that he is already capable of doing so, given his position.
The flaw in my argument that he is capable of doing something is that he's already doing it?

Are we talking about my actual argument or are we still chasing down your slippery-slope strawman?

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By the by: If I had a violent coworker (and I do speak from experience) who was going around decking people in the eye, well sure he might come at me, that's not what I find fallacious. The emphasis, however, speaks to conjecture. Which prove's nothing but one's own paranoia. Not a good argument.


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<snippety-snip non-sequitur>
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Well, you asked where breaking the law to enforce it might be acceptable. The "shakiness" you attested to would imply that it isn't kosher w.r.t. staying within the bounds of the laws. You have even pointed out that: Just because you have probable cause, it does not make a case. So even if the guy is as dirty as they come, you still had to overstep your bounds and I'd imagine you'd still catch some kind of hell even if you succeeded.
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In terms of what to go on...did you have some other criteria? Just for the record, no I'm not necessarily in support of Arpaio's tactics on a frivolous level. However, if you have a camper/truck/van that doesn't look well maintained, driver is acting weird avoidant or distant, and vehichle's possibly large enough that it might be carrying contraband cargo as in: drugs, weapons, or most relevant illegals...that constitutes "suspicious enough to be pulled over".
Sheriff Joe drives into Guadalupe on a Friday night, sets up check points and starts pulling over hispanics with cracked windsheilds, etc. Not the same thing.

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I rather suspect you'd also take their side in their own country if one of ours did the same thing.
Mmmm, no. I'm pretty sure I have better things to do with my time.

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You fought for your country, possibly took a debilitating injury for it. You see its glory being stepped on by a business who feels it is their land and not all of our land. Contempt.
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Now you´ve probably noticed I don´t feel about that "war," the way we were told we were supposed to feel about that war ... the way we were ordered and instructed by the United States Government to feel about that war ... you see, I tell ya ... my mind doesn´t work that way ... I got this real moron thing I do - it´s called, "thinking," - and I´m not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions. I don´t just "roll over" when I´m told to.

Sad to say most Americans just "roll over" [tchock] on command. Not me - I have certain rules I live by.

My first rule: I don´t believe anything the government tells me. Nothing. Zero. Nope.

And I don´t take very seriously the media or the press in this country, who, in the case of the Persian Gulf War were nothing more than unpaid employees of the Department of Defense, and who, most of the time functioned as sort of an unofficial public relations company for the United States Government.

So, I don´t listen to them, I don´t *really* believe in my country, and I gotta tell ya folks, I don´t get all choked up about yellow ribbons and American flags. I consider them to be symbols, and I leave symbols to the symbol-minded.

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