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Old 01-31-2013, 01:26 PM   #62
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Originally Posted by Xavier1985 View Post
as you said, the country was founded using weaponry and guns were used for defensive purposes to defend the freedom the country once had, which, n turn, didn't last very long until a centre of government was formed, effectively taking most senses of the word of freedom, away.

freedom isn't free, as they say.

all past tenses, guns are tools for killing, nothing more, nothing less. sure they can be used as a deterrent, but that only goes so far, arming everyone just makes everything ergh.. uncivilised.
An armed society is a polite society. Strangely enough that was true back in the old west(not the wild west, that's Hollywood, where Johnny Ringo was in a hundred places he never really was). Are police in the UK uncivilized because they carry firearms?

Originally Posted by Xavier1985 View Post
we can throw figures at each other, but they are just figures, they neglect to take into consideration a varity of other factors, education, employment, drugs, alcohol. America has one of the worst gun crimes in the world, the uk has a pretty bad violence related to alcohol issue..

equal rights does not mean giving a weak person a gun and giving a strong person a gun, that is just barbaric.
The US does not have a gun problem. 300000000 firearms in circulation(again super low estimate), and roughly 9000 homicides works out to .00003 % of firearms used in murder. Statistically, you're more likely to get run over by a drunk driver than murdered with a firearm. And that statistical likelihood drops even lower if you aren't a member of a gang(I think it gets down to the same likelihood of being eaten by a shark). And if we take it even further, to the "assault weapons" that number drops to the same statistical likelihood of being bitten by a shark in Poland(350 since the end of the Federal Assault Weapons ban).

And honestly you are claiming that WE have a problem. You point out how few mass murders you have had since your ban. How many did you have before the ban?

I didn't say it was equal rights. Simply that it places them on equal footing. Assuming of course there is no difference in training. If a 90 lb woman has a firearm and a 200 lb man has a firearm, who has the advantage? If a 90 lb woman is facing off against a 200 lb man, who has the advantage.

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