Was Manny a pirate? - Page 2

Bushmeister · 08-09-2003, 02:21 PM

What I want to know is if all the #9 tickets were in the suitcase, and Manny didn't seem to have one there, then how the hell did he get one at the end?

***Thrik*** · 08-09-2003, 02:54 PM

He said that the department fixed him up with one. However, although we know that Manny has been a good soul throughout the game - how did they know that?

So that leads me to believe that they knew Manny was supposed to have one but it was someone stolen/sold before he got it. Either that or they can magically create tickets which work for whoever they wish (although I thought that they only were attracted to their owners).

Confuzzling.

theburglar · 08-09-2003, 06:47 PM

He took it from the suit case. Plain and simple.

***Thrik*** · 08-09-2003, 08:00 PM

False tickets (ie: ones that don't belong to you) result in you not being allowed into the next underworld, the train would turned into a fiery demon and took them to hell - or something would have happened.

Plus Manny says that the deparment gave him one - why would he lie about that? We know him, he's generally not a liar in the game.

Susan · 08-09-2003, 08:47 PM

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Originally posted by theburglar
do you think we are being too serious?

Probably!

I've had debates and discussion on quality non-LucasArts games as well. Makes the game into more than it is. You can't just stop after the ending sequence plays!

Although the Department itself seemed less like a department and more like a casino at the end, I think Manny's ticket was the result of his helping Meche. She was that premium client that he needed to get out of there. So that's where his ticket from the department came from.

***Thrik*** · 08-09-2003, 09:29 PM

Good point! The whole reason he went after her was to get his ticket out of there, and he achieved that goal - and met his love.

Interesting, I never really thought about that. And yes, we are taking it too seriously. But hell, if we're still discussing and enjoying the game 5 years from release it must be getting obessive, right?

scabb · 08-10-2003, 02:46 PM

Who says all the tickets ever were in the suitcase anyway? I doubt a pair of reapers could handle all the deaths in the world. And yes, I'm being annoying.

Also, if you're sent to the fiery pits of hell for boarding with a purchased ticket, and most of the tickets were in fact stolen, then isn't there a good chance that some evil no-gooder boarded the train with Manuel and Mercedes? And what about the potentially honorable people that boarded with their own ticket alongside Nick, or perhaps those who had to purchase a ticket because they were cheated out of their own?

And as far as I can see it, Manny clearly got his ticket from the big giant talking statue head outside the train station.

Bushmeister · 08-10-2003, 03:03 PM

I think those is are interesting ideas, but when we see Nick on the #9 train, it is year three, and by then I would think that Hector LeMans must have pretty much total control over the DoD (which he probably had for a while) and I doubt that anyone is given there ticket anymore, with the money Hector stands to make selling them and the amount he could amass by doing so. And yes I agree, the suitcase couldn't have held all the genuine tickets could it? I mean, Sal had noticed corruption in the DoD years before Manny even was around, so there must have been many more than just one suitcase's worth.

***Thrik*** · 08-10-2003, 06:08 PM

Well I just looked at the script and the exact quote is "The company gave me one on the other end; sort of a retirement present."

So I'd assume that he worked off his debt to society through the game and/or finding Meche, earning his ticket - whatever happened to his original ticket I doubt we'll ever know.

Susan · 08-10-2003, 06:25 PM

Obsessive? I just purchased the game a few weeks ago and finished it 5 days ago, so I'm new blood with new ideas here. I can't speak for the rest of you.

Glottiscane · 08-12-2003, 04:03 PM

In the ending cutscene, Manny said his ticket on the #9 was his "retirement" present. I think maybe he got it instead of Salvador since salvador died, and Sal and Manny had so much in common and were "buddies". So it could have been kinda like inheritance, it wasnt like sal had any use for the ticket (being sprouted and all)

Dawidos · 08-12-2003, 05:27 PM

Exactly. Thrik has a right. Manny said - sort of retirement. He got this ticket as a reward for his sacrifice for Meche and other souls. "Retirement" ticket is waiting for every worker of DOD and Manny got one early for his hero mission.

GinnyW · 08-12-2003, 09:14 PM

I think Manny's ticket could have been cheated from him and sold to someone who was on the train in year 3.

Scabb is right, what if there were good people on the train that goes to hell (btw, we're only assuming it's hell, because it seems like it, but what goes on there exactly?).

You are forgetting something though, that suitcase is not the only one, because there was Charlie's suitcase in year 2, and several suitcases in the safe on the edge of the world. But then again, they're fake, so maybe it is the only one. I doubt it though, since there were many years and Domino got many good clients.
If however, it is the only suitcase, I guess Manny's ticket was stolen or sold.
Manny definetly doesn't seem like a criminal.

I think this is reading a little too much into the story, but it's fun!
There could be hints inside the game, but somehow I doubt that "If I had a car like this when I was alive..." line has anything more to it than a joke, part of Many's personality to say such a thing.
Who knows though?