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Old 11-30-2004, 02:07 PM   #241
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That is no excuse for destroying the story BD. The version I saw was horrid.


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Old 11-30-2004, 03:03 PM   #242
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Yes, the double standard it a good point. Whats more interesting is the beafy matcho characters, versus the effeminate Classical Greeks. As to film versions, bear in mind that the poem takes 36 odd hours to sing.

FYI if Odysseus really existed he would have been over sixe feet tall.
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Vader's wife was very pregnant when she died 19 years ago. All of a sudden a 19 year old who is very strong in the force and has a distinct resembalance to him in his younger days rolls in from Vader's home planet with his old Master Obi-Wan (Who was the ONLY other person preset at the time his wife died. And to boot, the kid's last name is Skywalker.

So in answer to your question, he knew Luke was his son because his name is Darth Vader, and not Darth Retard.


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Old 11-30-2004, 04:38 PM   #243
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I liked Oh Brother Where Art Thou. I liked the Odyssey more, although I haven't read it in five-six years. =)

Saw the (an?) Odyssey movie a few years ago, didn't like it either.


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Old 12-01-2004, 01:58 AM   #244
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That is no excuse for destroying the story BD. The version I saw was horrid.
That is exactly why it should never havre even have been considered for a film, look at what they did to the Illiad with Troy!


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Old 12-01-2004, 08:49 AM   #245
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Haven't seen Troy yet, so I really can't comment.


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Old 12-01-2004, 09:56 AM   #246
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It was pretty horrid. Despite excellent (and attractive ^_~) actors, the storyline was butchered. All the gods were taken out of the story for the sake of 'realism', and some important plot details were altered for (what I can only assume to be) the sake of drama. (especially the ending...gah) That, and the music was annoying and trying too hard to be 'epic' (along with, arguably, much of the dialogue).

I'd love to see an Illiad/Odyssey movie done properly, for pretty much the same reasons I loved the Lord of the Rings films.

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Old 12-01-2004, 01:30 PM   #247
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Troy wasn't even realistic, armour, shields, helmets and weapons were all remenisant of Classical Greece, not the badass Mycenaeans.

So, like King Arthur, it fails in both catagories.


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Old 12-01-2004, 02:04 PM   #248
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I haven't seen the latest King Aruthor movie either but at least it had some celtic references from the trailers that I did see. Unlike some of the ones made.

I really like it when they make a movie with knights who wear armor so heavy that they cann't stand up when they fall.


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Old 12-01-2004, 11:45 PM   #249
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Troy wasn't even realistic, armour, shields, helmets and weapons were all remenisant of Classical Greece, not the badass Mycenaeans.
Ya, but I didn't mind or even really notice that (so I'll take your word for it ^_~). What really appealed to me were the Greek ships. They always were among my favorite designs as a kid (which is when I studied the Greeks...I was a bookish child ) and so the opening scene of the trailer showing the vast fleet of beautiful Greek ships covering the sea...the cool music, the voiceover, the shots of the actors (I like pretty much all the major actors in this film, so shoot me)... It's just a real pity that the movie wasn't half as good as the trailer.

(Actually, there were some pretty good parts to the movie...couldn't save the overall piece, though.)

Oh, and curious, how were the Classical Greeks "effeminate"? Still not sure what you meant by that...please don't tell me you're from the school of thought that says anything in males resembling what Western culture now sees as 'feminine' is a bad thing

Wow, we're way off discussing PtH by now.

Back on subject, superthrawn is really swamped and not able to post much right now (especially since he's got so much catch-up...) He'll probably have Ritchet pop back in apologizing for being pulled away, later on. Convenient when you have a character who can do that at a moment's notice...don't have to worry about another coma like Josine


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Old 12-02-2004, 12:09 AM   #250
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Classical Greeks were gay, they didn't like women and thier ideal of beuty is the male form. In addition they spent a lot of time writing boks and bitching.

By Comparrison Ancient Greeks spent most of their time pillaging, killing, making war, and women appear alot more in art. They also had way cooler swords.

So really its a comparrison.


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Old 12-02-2004, 12:41 AM   #251
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I'm a little suspicious of your generalizations, but I'm not familiar with the differences in the Greek eras, so... (Classical versus Ancient? Eh? I've seen those words used for the same era...)

I do know that the Greeks of the Illiad idealized the male form as well as the female form, and male homosexuality being expected and incorporated in various stages of life (variations existed of course) was a constant throughout all stages of Greek cultural development. Along with the general oppression of women; female sexuality of all kinds was repressed. Another example of the double standard.

edit: Should also note that, far from being 'effeminate', homosexuality wasn't considered 'respectable' if one partner acted 'like a woman' in the relationship.

I really should go back and reread my art history texts on this subject.

I actually recently saw a fascinating art exhibit on childhood in ancient Greece. Too bad I can't remember much of it at the moment.

(I apologize in advance for any errors in the above post, I am really quite tired.)


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Old 12-02-2004, 03:02 AM   #252
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The Ancient Greeks were the Mycenaeans, they built the great citidels at Pylos, Mycenae, Tyrins and others.

They were the Acheans, they had a warrior culture, war, piracy and pilage were their main hobbies. They were also apparently traders and their is evidence of art being influenced by the Egyptians.

Palaces were built around a central "feasting hall", they were usually stone on the first floor and wood above, they had a large number of storerooms and records from Linear B tablets show that these places were administrave power centres controlling relatively large terretories compared with the later City States.

There is evidence that the econemy was essentially feudal and that writing may have been the preserve of a specific cast. All Linear B tablets found so far have been administative in nature.

The Kings, I believe the word translates as war leader, of these people were usually six and a half feet tall and were burried with armour, swords and other grave goods. Women were usually buried with items such as needles, combs. The usual kind of grave goods for a wealthy prehistoric society.

In War soldiers carried twelve foot spears and bronze swords usually with a blade about 28 inches long, although both longer and shorter varrients have been found from different periods.

The Warrior wore almost full plate armour, including breast, back, skirt and shoulder plates, as well as greaves and a helmet made of layered pieces of boar tusk. Later shirts of bronze scales appear to have been worn.

The Mycenaean period covers the years 2500-1200BC. The Fall of the city on the Hisaralisk reconded to be Troy conincideds with the end of this period.

The Trojan war is generally recokend to have been a historical event, however how much the Illiad truly represents this event is anyone's guess. Homer does agree with much of what has been uncovered about Ancient Greece, it should be noted that he was singing 400-600 years after the event.

What destroyed the Mycenaeans is a question of accademic debate, there is certainly evidence that there might have been invaders, probably from modern day Yucoslavia.

What is known is that the fires which consumed ancient Greece were hot enough to fuse together the stones of the city walls. What has been suggested is that the ten years of fighting at Troy so sapped the Mycenaean warriors that martial skills declined and they were unable to repel their attackers. Mycenaean Greece is the only example of a culture which actually lost the ability to read and write.

Around 1000BC the Dorians arrived in Greece, they apparently defeated those of the Acheans who remained, since most had fled to their colonies on the Mediteranian. The Dorians are the main ancestors of the Classical Greeks.

FYI: Classical Greece is the period after the Dark Ages, Ancient Greece is before.

FYI 2: Obviously none of the above is known for sure, and I don't have my notes with me.


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Old 12-03-2004, 02:00 PM   #253
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Interesting.

I think I know who you're talking about now, actually, in the art history sense. I find their art, especially of the human figure, to be rather ugly. Too stiff. Not sure about the armor, though (can't remember what it looks like.) I'd comment more but I don't have my notes with me either

(By the Dark Ages I assume you do not mean the medieval times.)


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Old 12-03-2004, 04:00 PM   #254
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Just saw hercules with my nephew. God did they butcher mythology.


Vader's wife was very pregnant when she died 19 years ago. All of a sudden a 19 year old who is very strong in the force and has a distinct resembalance to him in his younger days rolls in from Vader's home planet with his old Master Obi-Wan (Who was the ONLY other person preset at the time his wife died. And to boot, the kid's last name is Skywalker.

So in answer to your question, he knew Luke was his son because his name is Darth Vader, and not Darth Retard.


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Old 12-03-2004, 04:11 PM   #255
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I hope you're not talking about the Disney version? ...if so, I think you're missing the point!


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Old 12-03-2004, 04:51 PM   #256
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I know what the point is, but I just saw the movie and I was suprised by it since I had never seen it before. Kinda funny though.

I'm barely starting to study mythology though, so don't trust me....


Vader's wife was very pregnant when she died 19 years ago. All of a sudden a 19 year old who is very strong in the force and has a distinct resembalance to him in his younger days rolls in from Vader's home planet with his old Master Obi-Wan (Who was the ONLY other person preset at the time his wife died. And to boot, the kid's last name is Skywalker.

So in answer to your question, he knew Luke was his son because his name is Darth Vader, and not Darth Retard.


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Old 12-04-2004, 11:06 AM   #257
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Interesting.

I think I know who you're talking about now, actually, in the art history sense. I find their art, especially of the human figure, to be rather ugly. Too stiff. Not sure about the armor, though (can't remember what it looks like.) I'd comment more but I don't have my notes with me either

(By the Dark Ages I assume you do not mean the medieval times.)
LOL, no Red, the Greek Dark Ages, the period between Ancient and Classical; Circa 1,200-600 BC.

*Egg on face.*


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Old 12-17-2004, 12:44 PM   #258
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Alright, carry on in the new thread.


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