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Old 01-18-2005, 04:46 PM   #81
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why named in memory then, why not named for? seems an odd phrasing



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Old 01-18-2005, 07:55 PM   #82
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in memory of his childhood there mostly. it was about his memory, not its memory.
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Old 01-19-2005, 01:37 AM   #83
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fair enough. bloody ambiguous jedi masters, I knew there was a reason i preferred Kyp



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Old 01-19-2005, 04:26 AM   #84
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fair enough. bloody ambiguous jedi masters, I knew there was a reason i preferred Kyp
heh....this coming from a person who doesnt like brats

sing a long a la 'Men In Tights'

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Old 01-19-2005, 12:42 PM   #86
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yes but Kyp has a redeeming quality - he can annoy Jaina at will



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yes but Kyp has a redeeming quality - he can annoy Jaina at will
Jaina trembles every time Kyp walks in, but she prefers the non-threatening Jag....

I can definitely see Jaina and Kyp hooking up eventually. It makes sense, especially with Kyps connection to Han. Any kids they have will surely be quite kickass as potential jedi, and be able to give Ben Skywalker an a$$ kickin if he deserves it

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Old 01-23-2005, 07:25 AM   #88
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Jaina trembles every time Kyp walks in, but she prefers the non-threatening Jag....

I can definitely see Jaina and Kyp hooking up eventually. It makes sense, especially with Kyps connection to Han. Any kids they have will surely be quite kickass as potential jedi, and be able to give Ben Skywalker an a$$ kickin if he deserves it

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Id be very disappointed with Kyp if he did but i could see it happening after the very inevitable death of Jag Fel.

oh and Ben Skywalker = odds on favorite to kill Luke



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Old 01-23-2005, 10:20 AM   #89
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and be able to give Ben Skywalker an a$$ kickin if he deserves it
Someone better.

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oh and Ben Skywalker = odds on favorite to kill Luke
I dunno about that. from the looks of things, no one is gonna kill Luke.
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Old 01-23-2005, 11:02 AM   #90
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I dunno about that. from the looks of things, no one is gonna kill Luke.
No child of Jaina Solo is likely to be a character i tolerate for long unless it comes out lightsaber weilding, sith to the bone and takes her and a room full of people out

Luke has to die at some point, old age would be a shockingly terrible way for the hero of the whole story to die. And besides Mara Jade is hardly the sort of character that grows old peacefully so he'd just be a loner for the rest of his days which would be pretty rubbish. Get him killed off by Ben (who will undoubtedly knock some young lass up before he turns bad thus setting the whole ugly thing in motion again ) in fact Luke could do the Obi-Wan surrender to Vader and disappear and continue to turn up as a ghost every now and again



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Old 01-23-2005, 12:29 PM   #91
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yes i agree that someone should kill luke, i just dont agree that someone will kill luke. GL seems to be against it, and that makes it hard for it to happen.
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Old 01-23-2005, 02:55 PM   #92
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well it cant really be a passing EU villain of the week (or even an EU villain of the 19-book series for that matter) It needs to be a prominent member of the permanent EU cast. Of those, not many possiblities exist to my mind. I would have thought Anakin Solo a possibility before he died, but Ben Skywalker seems to be the most plausible person to be powerful and skillful enough. I guess Kyp could at a push or Jaina/Jacen but they dont seem to have the necessary presence in the story. Mara could but it would make no sense for her character to be sent back in that direction so the newborn Skywalker seems the best candidate, if as you say anyone does kill Luke.

i also give 2/1 odds that Ben Skywalker will not make it through life without having a hand severed in a lightsaber duel.



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Old 01-23-2005, 11:27 PM   #93
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yes. it would be roXXorrzz for Ben to turn out as scum But I dont see it happenin....

Luke will prolly do a sacrifice himself thing, like Ben Kenobi....

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Old 01-24-2005, 05:12 PM   #94
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Doesn't everyone turn out as scum? As far as killing Luke though, thats something else.
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Old 01-25-2005, 02:06 AM   #95
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Doesn't everyone turn out as scum? As far as killing Luke though, thats something else.
hey...you can hardly call our boy jacen scum... kyp, yes

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Old 01-25-2005, 07:07 AM   #96
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Old 01-25-2005, 10:04 AM   #97
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hey...you can hardly call our boy jacen scum...
Yeah, for the most part. But when he first gets the force back from Vergere, you have to admitt he loses it a bit for a little while.
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Old 02-04-2005, 03:02 PM   #98
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I thought that whole "I won't use the Force" stage was pretty obnoxuise
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Old 02-04-2005, 06:26 PM   #99
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I thought that whole "I won't use the Force" stage was pretty obnoxuise
well, one related point is that Jacen is very much like his mother in many respects. In essence she has rejected/neglected the force for most part...

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Old 02-07-2005, 03:21 PM   #100
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Well it was still well after planet of twilight it looked like she might go on to use the force more but didn't
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Old 04-08-2005, 09:05 AM   #101
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considering the EU authors originally wanted to kill luke in NJO but GL forbid is example enough that he prob wouldnt die ne time soon. (Poor CHewie was second choice). Mind you if they did kill Luke i would of been pissed and probably wouldnt of read any of the NJO

We'll have to wait till dark nest to see what happens.

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Old 04-08-2005, 06:27 PM   #102
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And the whole.... Luke proposing to Mara at the Hand of Thrawn...
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Old 04-10-2005, 11:18 PM   #103
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I liked them. They're good, not the best SW books, but pretty good. The best, IMO is star by star.

[AstroEDIT]..Im sure it was by accident, but you had triple posted JM....fixed

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Vader's wife was very pregnant when she died 19 years ago. All of a sudden a 19 year old who is very strong in the force and has a distinct resembalance to him in his younger days rolls in from Vader's home planet with his old Master Obi-Wan (Who was the ONLY other person preset at the time his wife died. And to boot, the kid's last name is Skywalker.

So in answer to your question, he knew Luke was his son because his name is Darth Vader, and not Darth Retard.


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Old 04-29-2005, 12:21 AM   #104
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Hey ! I wasnt being sarcastic ! I just thought that if he cant enjoy SBS then he shouldnt bother with the NJO and stick to something familiar, like Zahn and his *groan* over-recycled and over-used themes... yep, cool in 1990. But c'mon its 15 damn years onward now ! (and 20 in EU years !!!!)
My bad, friend. I'm inclined to agree that Zahn should just move on into something new, rather than tell us yet more about Thrawn and Co. But then, he writes quite well, even now holding his own fairly well (though I must admit that he's long since been passed in my mind by Stover, Luceno, and Denning).

Jacen was a punk in the beginning of the NJO, admittedly, but his ending more than makes up for it. Indeed, in many ways that beginning was a necessary prologue to his eventual domination. And, as cool a character as Anakin was, he could never have matched what Jacen accomplished, because he was never more than the blade, if you know what I mean. Jacen, on the other hand, was willing to do all it took, and for his journey to be truly satisfying, he had to have the time of "resisting the call." See Campbellian mythology for what I'm talking about. Remember, even Luke had that, back in the day of, "It's all such a long way from here." Without that time of rejection, the hero's eventual triumph is not so powerful.

The only disappointment to me with the NJO was the closure - and not because Luceno did a bad job, but simply because I felt another 100 pages would have helped him nail it closed.

In any case, my new chant is, "Bring on Dark Nest!"


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Old 07-24-2005, 07:15 PM   #105
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3. People who have not read the NJO. They might not know the NJO exists, or have heard mixed things about it.
Every time I go by the novels, I feel like there are too many. Is it worth the reading?
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Old 07-25-2005, 07:13 AM   #106
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Every time I go by the novels, I feel like there are too many. Is it worth the reading?
well, I myself highly recommend them. However, its sortve depends on whether your into the Expanded Universe or just like the movies on their own.

The NJO does an excellent job of tying together the many many different elements of EU. It was done so well, that it makes the shoddy planning of the clone wars series look ridiculous in comparison.

You must be warned though. It is a 21 book story arc. And the first book, Vector Prime is kinda slow. If you want you can skip and read the Dark Tide books first : Onslaught & Ruin...

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I just finished Star by Star (I resumed reading NJO a couple of months ago) and I was very saddened by the fate of Anakin... even more so than that of Chewie. I guess it's sad to see someone with so much potential and realized power to fade away, even if it is just fiction

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Old 11-22-2005, 08:35 AM   #108
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I just finished Star by Star (I resumed reading NJO a couple of months ago) and I was very saddened by the fate of Anakin... even more so than that of Chewie. I guess it's sad to see someone with so much potential and realized power to fade away, even if it is just fiction

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I <3 SBS = ESB of EU IMO

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I <3 SBS = ESB of EU IMO
I......smaller than......3...

1 IS SMALLER THAN 3

SBS=ESB.....................hm.............this is tough...............ah well, I'll try again later.


Vader's wife was very pregnant when she died 19 years ago. All of a sudden a 19 year old who is very strong in the force and has a distinct resembalance to him in his younger days rolls in from Vader's home planet with his old Master Obi-Wan (Who was the ONLY other person preset at the time his wife died. And to boot, the kid's last name is Skywalker.

So in answer to your question, he knew Luke was his son because his name is Darth Vader, and not Darth Retard.


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I love star by star its the empire strikes back of expanded universe in my opinion -translation complete

anywho i'm just reading the second book in the njo series and i'm loving it but i love mike stackpole as a writer anyway


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I......smaller than......3...

1 IS SMALLER THAN 3

SBS=ESB.....................hm.............this is tough...............ah well, I'll try again later.
he said he loves Star By Star and it is the "Empire Strikes Back" of NJO. surely you could figure that out?

I have only two NJO novels, Agent of Chaos I and The Unifying Force, which i am still reading. i dont like the Vong, because they killed Chewie and Anakin Solo. and they're just a frikin rip-off. the only reason i bought the books was that i didnt know about the Vong when i bought Agents of Chaos and i wanted to say good riddance to the Vong after i finished The Unifying Force

seriously.

well, that, and i wanted something to read


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I just finished the Final Prophecy. What a cliffhanger! If I ever even liked a Vong freak, it would have to be Nen Yim, she's so sympathising and respectful towards the end. Her end. I hope Nom Anor dies in the UF, because what he did was... yeah.

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Old 09-12-2006, 09:57 AM   #114
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2. People who do not like the NJO at all... Then you have detractors who actually havent read any of the books (emphasis added)
I guess I would fall into this classification although I don't really consider myself a "detractor" since I've never posted any disparaging comments about the Yuuzhan Vong. What little knowledge I have of the YV I've obtained from SW:TNEC and after giving it some thought I've realized it isn't that the YV come from a different galaxy, use bio-engineering, their overall ugly appearance, or the fact that a couple of main characters die that have kept me from reading any of the NJO books. I've come to realize that for me it boils down to one main YV characteristic.
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Do any of the NJO books explain why this is the case? This reminds me of the ysalamiri creatures Timothy Zahn used in the Thrawn Trilogy and seems an even more extreme deviation from my understanding of how the Force operates than those Force-voiding creatures were.


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it seems:
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that the Vong homeplanet was also a living entity like Zonama Sekot, and that planet got pissed off because the Vong were so violent, so supposedly, the planet stripped them of the Force.


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that the Vong homeplanet was also a living entity like Zonama Sekot, and that planet got pissed off because the Vong were so violent, so supposedly, the planet stripped them of the Force.
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Interesting. So what NJO book details how this occurred? I think that is the one I want to read first.


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Interesting. So what NJO book details how this occurred? I think that is the one I want to read first.
Just start with Vector Prime, and pay attention. If you don't you might end up rather puzzled later on.
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I loved it

I mean i only managed to get about 15 books in, as i started in mid-late highschool and now i have been in university for 3 years (no time to read )...but i have heard it all, my brother likes to convince himself he knows all SW EU and tried on many occassions to insult this series having never even read a page. Hate that, i mean if you dont like it after reading it, then fine everyone deserves an opinion.

But i found the style of writing was a more mature one than many series employ, i found it not so biased, such as movies are (i.e. everyone says "he is a main caharacter he cant die").

I mean i was PISSED when they killed my favorite character in Vector Prime! PISSED! but the way they did it had me emotional and amped up and just totally hooked to the series from that point on, i mean AWESOME WRITING.

not gonna lie some of the books get kinda boring, but if you dont mind a little thick plot and some politics, then the wait for the action is not that long, and when they give you action in this series they deliver the whole package!

Pretty much what Astro said, I love that this series gives a new enemy. i mean i have read and watched so much about the empire and the little guys in the white and black stormtrooper outfits. the Yuuzahn vong give a new fresh thing to get into. i mean how can you hate that? I love this series, i LOVE the characters; Jacen, anikan, jaina, the bringing back of calrisian...han is still a bad ass. and for once leia is not just a bump on a log....GREAT SERIES...now i am all amped and have to go read the next book. peace out fellow SW FANS!

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