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Old 02-18-2007, 05:58 AM   #41
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^^

How are you going to go from being a normal person to a powerful jedi who can be a threat to the true Sith in the relatively short time span of a game without having it stretch credibility beyond the breaking point? That makes sense only if you were already powerful, but somehow didn't know it, which all seems like deja vu. In fact, deja deja vu, given how the protagonist of both KotOR and TSL was handled...

Basically that would leave us with three force anomalies in three games. Not very original, I fear... I do give Obsidian credit for the exile's unusual power, which is different from Revan's, but you just can't repeat the same old plot device of the "unique jedi who lost his force powers" over and over. It's old!


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Old 02-18-2007, 08:50 AM   #42
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^ I agree.

Thats why I want to avoid somethig as clear-cut as Jedi altogether
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Old 02-18-2007, 09:02 AM   #43
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Yes I agree that the whole a normal man\woman turns in to a uber-powerful Jedi\Sith in a few weeks or monts is getting old and annoying. A problem I see is if there is a new character that becomes a powerhouse it becomes unrealistic. Just how many Force users are there in the galaxy that have chosen one level strength (Revan being something like the chosen one of his time). Obsidian tried to make Revan and the Exile oposites (heart and death of the Force) so how will this new uber-Jedi fit in this? It seems to me that which ever company develops K3 is going to have a lot of work.
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Old 02-18-2007, 09:15 AM   #44
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Not really. Fan-fic ideas for a K3 plot have already been written that let a new protagonist be a jedi without having the unique powers of Revan or the exile (and so being an uber-jedi). That being the case, it should be a fairly easy thing for the developers to do as well.

And the protagonist MUST be a jedi, if you ask me. How else can it be "Knights of the Old Republic III"?


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Old 02-18-2007, 09:34 AM   #45
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Not really. Fan-fic ideas for a K3 plot have already been written that let a new protagonist be a jedi without having the unique powers of Revan or the exile (and so being an uber-jedi). That being the case, it should be a fairly easy thing for the developers to do as well.
I have repeated my arguments in the other thread, so I don't feel the need to repeat myself, but the Third Jedi Padawan needs an uber-power, otherwise it makes the True Sith looks stupid. I don't want the True Sith to look stupid, and I don't want Revan and Exile's ego stroked. I want only the Jedi Padawn's ego stroked.

And if you are arguing that it's "deja deja vu" let me remind you that this may be the THIRD time that they are doing this. Three times the charm, so if they choose to create a third uber-power, they can get away with it, and whenever they make future KOTORs, they have no more uber-powers. But, now, they need to put an uber-power, otherwise there is no need to fear the True Sith.

And legend22 makes a good point. The Jedi Padawan is going to be a powerhouse. Justifying that powerhouse in-game is cliched, but it's better than not justifiying why your "nobody" is a powerhouse. I actually like said justifications, they add to the story.


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Old 02-18-2007, 10:17 AM   #46
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Ingame, the new PC will indeed be a powerhouse way stronger than Revan and less so than the Exile.

Why? New feats powers etc. Even party members will be more powerful than Revan...

I don't see a problem there, however, the PC shouldn't be portrayed like an uber powerful being.

The PC doesn't have to be insanely powerful to have a strong impact on the plot. Just look at Kyle Katarn, Corran Horn etc. They are not the most powerful Jedi of their age and still, they have(in their plots) a huge impact on the galaxy.
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Old 02-18-2007, 12:11 PM   #47
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I don't think that the Exile is realy more powerful than Revan new feats and powers are just added by the developers so leveling up can be more fun for veterans of the previous game. And Kreia makes a point by describing them as opposites.

Whoever the PC is he\she must be a powerhouse, it's cliched but I like the feel of playing with a someone who is more powerful than the normal Jedi\Sith. Otherwise the True Sith will be weakling if they're getting pwned by a Force user with normal power levels.
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Old 02-18-2007, 01:26 PM   #48
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The PC doesn't have to be insanely powerful to have a strong impact on the plot. Just look at Kyle Katarn, Corran Horn etc. They are not the most powerful Jedi of their age and still, they have(in their plots) a huge impact on the galaxy.
Precisely my point. It is also why I don't think the new character needs to an uber-jedi to be THE deciding factor in how the war against the true Sith plays out. For that reason alone, I'd like the focus to be on strong plot instead of constantly pushing the power level. But I admit that it's an opinion and that others don't have to share it. There is no reason why the new pc cannot be a huge powerhouse. If people prefer that, then fine. I just wish they would distinguish between whether it's a preference and so an opinion and whether it is an absolute necessity, the insistence of which makes discussion sadly difficult.


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Old 02-18-2007, 01:30 PM   #49
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witin a year of tsl.


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Old 02-19-2007, 12:57 AM   #50
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I was thinking 5-10 years after KotOR 2. Anything else and the Jedi Order/Republic won't have had NEAR enough time to get patched up for the new wave of super-powerful baddies hell-bent on their destruction.

Edit: Also, too long after that 10-year benchmark creates disassociation with the main storyline and problems establishing continuity.
And now I pose the idea of a split time phrame story line as it is a bit of originality added to the game's series' progress.


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Old 04-08-2007, 10:40 AM   #51
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I think it should be somewhere between 5 to 15 years after tsl.
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Old 04-08-2007, 03:46 PM   #52
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I'd set it no later than two years after TSL, but actually have the game begin just after TSL and the skip the two years over quickly as the new character learns the jedi ways.


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Old 04-08-2007, 04:18 PM   #53
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I'd set it no later than two years after TSL, but actually have the game begin just after TSL and the skip the two years over quickly as the new character learns the jedi ways.
Sounds like a good idea - we can't have Revan chasing after the True Sith Empire forever now, can we!
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Old 04-08-2007, 04:25 PM   #54
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Personally I would like to see it a little ways after KotOR 2. I heard somewhere that it talked of it being 14 years after KotOR 2, but maybe it was just rumor. I wouldn't mind fourteen years.
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Old 04-09-2007, 12:48 PM   #55
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Personally I would like to see it a little ways after KotOR 2. I heard somewhere that it talked of it being 14 years after KotOR 2, but maybe it was just rumor. I wouldn't mind fourteen years.
That's a very old and untrue rumor. I would rather KotOR III be fairly close to the end of TSL. No more than 2-4 years after.


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Old 04-09-2007, 08:41 PM   #56
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Fairly close, just to wrap up the story. If it was any later, than that'd be a lot of history to cover in the game.


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Old 04-10-2007, 03:38 PM   #57
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Yeah. TSL ends on a note that suggested to me that the true Sith were about to make their move. Can't be too long after that.


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Old 04-13-2007, 09:37 AM   #58
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Right, new character, definately.

My idea would be around 2-4 years after TSL. Gives enough time for both sides to recover from what happened in K2 and all that.

Heh, laugh if they decided to make K1,K2 and K3 all into the final three games and went back to do 3 other games before K1....

Seem to recall that happening to something else...


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Old 04-13-2007, 09:43 AM   #59
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Right, new character, definately.

My idea would be around 2-4 years after TSL. Gives enough time for both sides to recover from what happened in K2 and all that.

Heh, laugh if they decided to make K1,K2 and K3 all into the final three games and went back to do 3 other games before K1....

Seem to recall that happening to something else...
I can see it now how it will chronicle the Mandlorian Wars - "KotOR2 - Attack of the Mandalorians"


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Old 04-13-2007, 11:14 AM   #60
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I can see it now how it will chronicle the Mandlorian Wars - "KotOR2 - Attack of the Mandalorians"
Actually, if you went by the names of the prequels (except for changing the name slightly for the second one) it would be perfect.

KotOR I: The Phantom Menace (the Mandalorians right before the war)

KotOR II: Attack of the Mandalorians (of course, the beginning of the Mandalorian invasion of the Republic)

KotOT III: Revenge of the Sith (Revan and Malak turning to the dark side, turning Republic soldiers and Jedi over to their side, and attacking the Republic)

Ok, ok, so that obviously wouldn't happen, but it's still a strange coincidence that it seems to fit so perfectly.


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Old 04-13-2007, 11:26 AM   #61
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Wow, that actually does make quite good sense.

Lucasarts, they're mischevious. I know what they're planning, all on they're laptops laughing manically away at these messages..

I bet yer, they're up to something...

Right so i'm going insane...whats new?


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Old 04-13-2007, 05:23 PM   #62
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such a prequel is possible, which would make Revan the character in such a situation and some choices would already be predestined. Though I guess they could keep it open and give a fantasy side of how you'd like to go about the prequel.


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