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Old 10-18-2008, 03:27 AM   #81
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But but how could you not care about God 1 and God 2 Revan and Exile??? Just so we can have a God 3 New Character? I wouldnt mind if the MMO were set either in Mandolorian Wars or after K2 but I dont want it to far after K2 50 years at the most.
K3 needs to be directly after K2 so we can play as the Exile searching for Revan once (The searching part will only be a small portion of the game almost like the Endar Spire&Taris/Peragus begin level) we find Revan we get to pick who we want to play as for the rest of the game


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Old 10-18-2008, 05:07 AM   #82
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Thumbs down MMO Fail?

In my opinion only, if they are making an MMO for KoTOR, I think they are fools. Warcraft was made an MMO after the release of both Warcraft 3 and its expansion, both of which were very popular and well done. While WAR never had popular games to start with. It had a nice, clean, blank slate.
The Kotor series ended in unfulfillment, and Galaxies (A starwars MMO...) is full of disappointment. Then their newest project has provided to be less than satisfying to a decent base that have played it. (TFU)
Anyone see what i'm getting at here?
They are taking a design they have already failed to adapt to their storyline, and are going to place it on a game storyline which WAS flawless UNTIL they screwed it up, and their recent projects have all been less than what ANYONE has hoped for.

Ladies and gentlemen, that would only be ONE piece of the FAIL cake.

Like i've said before, and will continue to say, they've already failed once at an MMO attempt. So they have decided to try again...At a time in which WoWs Lich is upcoming. At a time in which Starcraft II, which Blizzard will of course create a World of Starcraft from, is upforth. At a time in which Warhammer Age of Reckoning is blowing away PvP competition. And I wouldn't be surprised if a 40k WAR MMO isn't in consideration.
So they are creating a futuristic MMO at the same timeframe in which Blizzard is, and even may have Mythic Entertainment to deal with as well. That would be, IMHO, insanity. The base of players they are attempting to pull from will be LOW merley due to the fact that a Starcraft MMO will suck up a HUGE amount of any serious MMO players. WAR, at this time atleast, has a deadlock on the best PvP MMO to have come along from what i've heard.
Oh...And I did mention StarWars Galaxies right? Any serious Starwars fan that wanted a Starwars MMO, and is willing to pay, is the current player-base of that game as it stands. LA just basically gave the proverbial finger to every single one of those players..."Yha, we know you bought our ****ty MMO, which you wasted your time on building your characters. So we decided to make this BRAND NEW MMO which will be awsome this time. (We promise)"

A KotOR based MMO? No thanks, I'll sit back and play Fable 2 while I wait for Mass Effect 2 instead.


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Old 10-18-2008, 05:32 AM   #83
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To be fair JMJ, Galaxies largest criticism was that it wasn't finished. At first you couldn't become a Jedi. Then Yes you can, but how is a mystery... then it became Jedi versus BH... then the balance wars came.... composite wars... Then the beast wars... then they killed the original game... As if the CU wasn't enough, they killed that game too and gave them the NGE... By this time most of the original players had been scared off. The game is now 5 years old and (still) bugged like crazy(but better than it's been in a long time). Most of the serious SW fans and SWMMO fans are either afraid to go back or just so ticked at SOE that they refuse to go back. Galaxies lacked content from the start. It wasn't as noticable at first, but when they made it easy to get to the top levels, it became glaringly obvious that there was very little else to do. It took them 4 years to start adding content.

I also feel that it might be a good time for a SW MMO. a new SW cartoon, bunch of people interested in SW. MMO players growing... People getting sick of WOW.

The problem is they have to make it compelling, have a ton of content, be as easy to use as WOW without being a WOW clone, and of course ignore all the fanboys...

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Old 10-21-2008, 02:49 AM   #84
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Definitely MMO thanks to starwarsmmo.net


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Old 10-21-2008, 03:27 AM   #85
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Definitely MMO thanks to starwarsmmo.net

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Seeing the URL leaves no room for this latest Star Wars installment, Kotor or not, to be an MMO.


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Old 10-21-2008, 04:17 AM   #86
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It is an exciting time and a great step forward in the entire series of SW games. I am looking forward to it and trust LucasArts and Biowar to do a great job.


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Old 10-21-2008, 12:40 PM   #87
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Definitely MMO thanks to starwarsmmo.net
Looks fake. I've seen that link and seriously it looks like they just cut the words out of the image and then made their own website. The background looks poor and if this is real, then its a really crap website design.
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Old 10-22-2008, 06:49 AM   #88
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The sad thing is this new "The Old Republic" game looks like it may be an excellent game. I probably would be unabashedly and extremely excited if it wasn't for the fact that it replaced KOTOR III. How can this tie up all the loose ends from the first and second game when it ingores almost all of them?! Why couldn't they have made an epic game with the characters invovled in the inital storyline to wrap them up mostly then have the RPG end with the True Sith invasion just posponed instead of stopped. That would have been an innovative end. Then move onto this MMO. Since this game purportedly will have more story content "than all other bioware games combined" and is meant to be KOTOR 3,4,5,6,7,8,9 etc at the same time. It seems like less of a unrealistic demand from the creators. Now any interest I might have in the game is stifled by my anger.
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Old 10-22-2008, 08:04 AM   #89
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The sad thing is this new "The Old Republic" game looks like it may be an excellent game. I probably would be unabashedly and extremely excited if it wasn't for the fact that it replaced KOTOR III. How can this tie up all the loose ends from the first and second game when it ingores almost all of them?! Why couldn't they have made an epic game with the characters invovled in the inital storyline to wrap them up mostly then have the RPG end with the True Sith invasion just posponed instead of stopped. That would have been an innovative end. Then move onto this MMO. Since this game purportedly will have more story content "than all other bioware games combined" and is meant to be KOTOR 3,4,5,6,7,8,9 etc at the same time. It seems like less of a unrealistic demand from the creators. Now any interest I might have in the game is stifled by my anger.
Anger it is, feels like in a way that all the world terrors coming on my head. I guess it is time to conclude all these threads. KOTOR is dead. 300 years after Jedi civilwar and on top of that no chracters we love to see in the game again again, my God, unbeleiveble how fanny that is.
What's gonna happen now is they will shout their mouth with all "good if not the best things" about this what they call SWTOR game.
For me, even if I want to, I'm not gonna be able to play that game, cuzz there is no such IP arround here that would understand that. That is why I was realy hopping for normal KOTOR sequal, and I was wrong.
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Old 10-22-2008, 10:06 AM   #90
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Ok I might be in denial but where is the link to exactly what happened where they confirmed it?


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Old 10-22-2008, 10:19 AM   #91
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Old 10-22-2008, 10:54 AM   #92
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swtor wont work it keeps asking me to open a file which I tried already still didnt work so I deleted it.


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Old 11-16-2008, 06:26 PM   #93
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Actually K.O.T.O.R 3 hasn't been confirmed as anything yet, notice the gap between K.O.T.O.R 2 and the new MMO? the next K.O.T.O.R could easily fit in their and i don't think that it will start in the same way as the others as for the people who make the K.O.T.O.R i agree that bioware should carry on with it, although an improvement in graphics can dramatically improve any game experience. To be honest i could wait another five years and hype myself up :P until it does come out i don't want it runied by some crazy money loving company demanding this and that if the game isn't completed like K.O.T.O.R 1 they never got to complete the HK factory or one of the darkside female endings for the acutally game although the mods are avaliable i think for both,i think you should also add a pole to this so that people can get a glimpse or what the community thinks.

My message to the developers of the next K.O.T.O.R is basically please take your time don't rush you have alot of time ignore our complaints about the time that it takes to make the game, i want it to be an unforgettable gaming experience as many others would be, make sure that you are happy with the game and that you feel it's completed in every way possible, don't be afraid to try anything and everything even if you are unsure about adding something after you feel the game is finished feel free to try it before you even announce a release date, one long messge i know hope they manage to even get a glimpse at this :P
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Old 11-24-2008, 07:00 AM   #94
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By this point we have seen TFU and SC4, the unveiling of the upcoming SW:TOR.
I have sort of kept along with what's been going down with the whos and whats in terms of future products. I see what's going on. I can only hope for the best. Unfortunately the more the hyped up projects become, the less excited I get.

However the MMORPG format chases me away for so many reasons I don't even care to think about right now. Basically it's about subscription hassles and what MMORPGS essentially are: socializing media (redundant and pointless). Amongst other things.

I'd say a few new features on top of being well done in the same format as the previous 2 and a nice wrap up to the storyline would do the series justice. I'd even wait a long time for it. I mean, S--T, I've waited this long for team-gizka.

The mmo idea...I don't like it. I doubt there is anything to make me change my mind. I agree, it ought to be a SINGLE thing. But alas. SO......
If it is network or internet capable, there should still be a properly done kotor 3 as its own game at a bare minimum. Still, the departure from the engine, gameplay and all that would be unsettleing.

I am to the point now where I am demanding a product that does justice to the series. IMO this recent MMO move does NOT. If 'the old republic' is the final installment, I will feel alienated and robbed.

I want a good last SINGULAR installment.


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Old 11-24-2008, 06:40 PM   #95
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I'm no longer bothered by this decision. In fact I don't really feel any effect of an MMO in development rather than a SPRPG. It is what it is so just take it or don't I say. There's no point in getting upset about something like this; after all, its just a hobby.


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Old 11-29-2008, 07:18 PM   #96
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This is a tricky topic-- It's obvious that The Old Republic isn't a direct follow-up to The Sith Lords; it has a different name, setting, and contract. However, it seems that the main storyline will follow that setup by Kotor and Kotor II. With that said, there is the possibility that this MMO and a Kotor 3 could work. How? Quite easily, actually. The writers can leave specific plot wholes to work to be specified in Kotor 3-- how did Revan die? The Exile? What happened in the Unknown Regions? To Rand? These things can be hinted at in the MMO and answered in Kotor 3. I can hope, anyway.


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Old 11-29-2008, 10:16 PM   #97
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The writers can leave specific plot wholes to work to be specified in Kotor 3-- how did Revan die? The Exile? What happened in the Unknown Regions? To Rand?
Having that not explained in TOR isn't any more of a plot hole than it not being explained in Episode I.


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Old 11-30-2008, 03:42 PM   #98
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Having that not explained in TOR isn't any more of a plot hole than it not being explained in Episode I.
It is possible that they are working on KotOR III in secret, but if they are they really need to get together with Obsidion because KotOR II had the better interface compared to KotOR I.

I think Old Republic is 300 years later so that you maybe spark some interest, not sure what really was going on at that time that would be interesting though.
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Having that not explained in TOR isn't any more of a plot hole than it not being explained in Episode I.
Mine point is that it (it being all those questions I stated) should be hinted at, given some story time, but not fully told. You want the answers to those questions, right? I know I do. It seems to me that the team writing TOR is interested in Revan and the Exile but are leaving out parts to be explored and answered, and this is my hope, by Obsidian in a single player Kotor 3.


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Old 11-30-2008, 05:51 PM   #100
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Hopefully there is no inconsistencies with other stuff.

Well, I read the whole thing of PC gamer's article. By this point, we have no choice since the basic story of the true sith has now been revealed as well as a brief mention of revan and malak turning on each other--possibly where malak lost his original jaw.

It takes place 300 years after K2. The boss is the 1,000 year old emperor of the true sith or something.

If nothing else, I figure if we're dissatisfied, we could always make a MASS mod for kotor 1 or 2. Call it the KOTOR 3 project-an entire game remake. Take the storyline (more or less) from the mmo and come up with something else from there.

Hardly anybody agrees because they would want to make it their own game, but if there was a team of people who remotely agreed...hell, it might be better than nothing.


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Old 12-01-2008, 12:23 PM   #101
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Its going to have to be. I hate to be the neigh sayer, but the fact is that this is going to flop and they're (LA) going to drop the KOTOR series.

The reason I say this is simple. They have to convince serious MMO gamers that this is a better game then what they've put all their time and energy into. Eve has the SciFi MMO corner, and WOW has the fantasy. TOR will have to convince both parties that they should come and play this game.

Lets face it:
Force = is Majic (in WOW)
Speeders = Horse (or whatever they use in WOW)
Blasters = Bows and Arrows

They have building in Eve.

So aside from "The Star Wars Experience" (which you can get by playing any other star wars game) can anyone think of anyway that they can convince veteran MMO players to drop what they've invested their time and energy into, and come to TOR?
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Old 12-01-2008, 01:06 PM   #102
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With that argument, you're assuming that every gamer plays an MMO.


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Old 12-01-2008, 10:36 PM   #103
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Not necessarily--where or how is that assumption implied???

He has a point: how to convince veteran MMORPG players (not the whole gamer population) to come to us. One challenge.

Also at the same time, another challenge they have is how to convince skeptics to bridge the gap and make the jump--rather than just let it ride and hope the SW'ness is simply enough.


It took me a few years to even become interested in KOTOR after its initial release. Then a couple more for kotor 2.

I'm not much of an RPG-ist. If SC4 and SWTFU didn't come at such a financilly vicious time I might have bought those two despite my skepticism due to the fact I'm an action or a fighter freak.

One thing they will really have to try to sell people like me on is that the online-timid and skeptical ones like me...that this next installment will be familiar yet something more and greater...that its feel will be 'worth it'.


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Old 12-02-2008, 05:04 PM   #104
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I agree ...and I do hope that they dont push the "artyness" of the new game too much, the simplified and cartoonish nature of the concept art really is off putting, KoTOR was stylized but within reason and very pleasing to look at. This new stuff is Disneyland and I hope they tone it down.


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Honestly, I was expecting much more from the True Sith than a few "evil" sentients that want to become rules of the universe (man, am I getting tired of those sort of storylines). I won't go into detail here, but suffice it to say that if you played KOTOR II and understood the storyline, you know that the True Sith were supposed to change people from the inside, affecting them indirectly... they would become Sith without even realizing it (Kreia mentions that this war wouldn't be fought by conventional weapons). That's why Revan did what he did... he ravaged the galaxy to make it stronger; he wanted only to make people stronger so that they could resist becoming the slaves of the True Sith.

That's what I think, at least. I may be completely wrong, and Avallone had something totally different in mind. I am, however, quite sure that he didn't have an evil Emperor building a massive army in mind... his mind is more complicated than that, I'm sure. This sort of storyline wouldn't work in an MMO, anyway... which is probably why they've decided to simplify it. Or they simply can't come up with anything more original.

Anyway, I'll pass on this one. I don't only dislike the storyline, but the art direction as well. In fact, I don't like the graphic in general. I much prefer the way KOTOR's look.


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They could honestly be working on a KotOR III in secret while they are working on this MMORG. It's a possibility anyways.
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That's one heck of a secret to keep for this long.

It would not surprise me in the least if 6 months after TOR is released, a press release comes out that Bioware is or has been working on KOTOR3.

And to plump up their bank accounts, they release KOTOR3 and the first TOR expansion at the same time.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!
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That's one heck of a secret to keep for this long.

It would not surprise me in the least if 6 months after TOR is released, a press release comes out that Bioware is or has been working on KOTOR3.

And to plump up their bank accounts, they release KOTOR3 and the first TOR expansion at the same time.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!
Now that would be amazing. I don't really care how K3 is, so long as they tie up the loose ends.

I had managed to figure out a way that they could get TOR to turn a profit, but I can't remember it to save my life right now.
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They could just hire a writer and realease a novel or two. I mean hey! they did it for TFU and tied up a lot of loose ends and made the story much more interesting so why not?


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