Favorite Star Trek show?

[Kurgan]

Even though I think overall TNG was the best written and most memorable of the shows (yes, I grew up in the 80's), my personal favorite is still TOS. I also grew up watching reruns of Kirk & co. on my family's little black & white set. When we finally got our color TV I was shocked and amazed by the bright colors of the uniforms and set!

It's always been the most fun, even if the special effects are outdated and the 60's style a bit cheesy (not that the 80's style of TNG hasn't gotten cheesy by now already), and it's episodic, the characters are likable and there's always some action, imagination and fun to be had.

The "Star Trek Remastered" is a little jarring for some fans (see our own fandom's controversy with the "Special Editions") but overall I think most of the changes they've made are subtle enough that they don't ruin the show (since in each episode we got the same half dozen shots of the Enterprise orbiting a generic planet that was just a different color... and now with CGI they're all unique)... and the new Blu-Ray sets apparently have both versions so you aren't missing anything.

DS9 didn't feel much like Trek for me, but got better in its 3rd season. The final season (7th) felt rushed and a lot of people didn't like it, but overall it wasn't a bad series, once you got into it.

Voyager was just as bad as everyone said, though it started out pretty promising (the first season wasn't that bad, and had a lot of cool ideas though Janeway seemed like an awful captain). A lot of people thought the show got better once Seven-of-Nine was introduced, but sadly this felt more like an act of desperation (get an attractive woman into a skin touch outfit to strut around to distract you from the bad writing and cheap effects). The show really went downhill by season 4 and the finale was utterly awful.

Enterprise started out with a lot of promise (though we all wondered what the point of making a Prequel is if you're going to run roughshod over the established continuity... right George? sorry, wrong topic), and I actually was enjoying it at first, but part way through season 1, when they got that episode called "Dear Doctor" (I think it was the 12th episode) I really started to hate the show. The "moral" of that episode was frankly offensive, and just seemed totally out of character and just plain stupid. The third season had a radical change, but it just didn't feel like it was going anywhere worthwhile and the climax was completely unsatisfying. The characters were dumb, and it just felt too much like a copy of Voyager, sharing many of the same failings. I probably liked Enterprise more then than I did after watching Voyager, and seeing how one show cribbed off of the other. In the final season, after the first two episodes (which clumsily wrapped up the stupid "Temporal Cold War" plot in an unsatisfying manner, with the laziest plot device ever... SPACE NAZIS!), it started to get better, and I actually thought the rest of Season 4 was pretty enjoyable, compared to what we'd been seeing in Trek for the last several years. But the season finale? Utterly abominable.

I blame Rick Berman and Brannon Braga for running the franchise into the ground! By the time they handed Enterprise over to Manny Coto in its final season, it was too late to save the show, but he did the best he could with the scraps that were left. Of course B&B insisted on ruining the finale.

The last two Trek movies have been disappointments... Insurrection had a very questionable "moral" to it and just pretty annoying overall, then Nemesis was more of a really bad ripoff of "The Wrath of Khan" that made very little sense.

My expectations for the new movie are low, but I still want to see it. I figure if nothing else, it'll be a SFX summer movie that I can enjoy for a couple hours of escapism at the IMAX.


Sorry for the rant. I'm a fan of both franchises and I just can't stand to see good sci fi wasted like this by the people who ought to care the most about it succeeding (the owners and producers). :P

[Q]

Originally Posted by Kurgan

I blame Rick Berman and Brannon Braga for running the franchise into the ground!

So do I.

Originally Posted by Kurgan

Sorry for the rant. I'm a fan of both franchises and I just can't stand to see good sci fi wasted like this by the people who ought to care the most about it succeeding (the owners and producers). :P

Same here. Maybe this new movie will be better. AFAIK, B&B have been kept away from it because they are now generally recognized as poisonous to the Star Trek franchise.

[Samuel Dravis]

TOS. I don't understand how any other vote is possible.

[Q]

Yeah, my choice was between TOS and TNG, which was a tough decision, but I had to go with TNG in the end.

[Endorenna]

Voyager. Janeway is my favorite captain. She doesn't go off into a philosophical speech every five minutes like Picard, she's not ruled by her temper like Archer, she can accept the death of a security guard (unlike Kirk), and she doesn't start crying every other episode like Sisko. And, on top of that, she manages to balance the Prime Directive and helping aliens very well. Besides having Janeway, Voyager has Seven of Nine, the Doctor, and the Borg.

TNG is a close second, if for no other reason than Data.

Enterprise and TOS are on the same level. I'll watch the originals for a good laugh, and Enterprise when I just want to be annoyed.

DS9 was an okay series for a little while after the first season, but the character were really...static. Whenever Kira stopped hating the Cardassians as much, she went full reverse a few episodes later. Sisko never really got over his wife dying, and I swear, if he went on a search for 'The Prophets' once more--! Sheesh! Odo was pretty good for a while, but then he went and got evil for a few episodes, which ruined everything I liked about him. Jadzia was great--she was what kept me watching the series--but then that whole thing with Dukat happened, and that ruined everything. Jake was okay at first, but as he got older, he turned into a lazy bum. Nog was annoying. Quark was annoying. Don't even get me started on Bashir. The Dominion never really struck me as a great threat. The ending to the series was lame (worse than Enterprise's, IMO. The only good thing about it was that it ended the series).



But, yea. I voted for Voyager.

[Totenkopf]

Originally Posted by Endorenna

DS9 was an okay series for a little while after the first season, but the character were really...static. Whenever Kira stopped hating the Cardassians as much, she went full reverse a few episodes later. Sisko never really got over his wife dying, and I swear, if he went on a search for 'The Prophets' once more--! Sheesh! Odo was pretty good for a while, but then he went and got evil for a few episodes, which ruined everything I liked about him. Jadzia was great--she was what kept me watching the series--but then that whole thing with Dukat happened, and that ruined everything. Jake was okay at first, but as he got older, he turned into a lazy bum. Nog was annoying. Quark was annoying. Don't even get me started on Bashir. The Dominion never really struck me as a great threat. The ending to the series was lame (worse than Enterprise's, IMO. The only good thing about it was that it ended the series).

Agree w/Kinnison. Actually, after starting to watch B5 I pretty much stopped following DS9 even sporadically. Garak was the best charachter in the whole series.

[Darth Avlectus]

Kind of liked all of them about the same. Any choice to be put in there for all of them by chance?

Though I'll say I did like the Shat's direct, no nonsense combat style and how he directly took 'em down. Nothing too awfully fancy, just got the job done.

[Negative Sun]

[Darth Avlectus]

^^^That's aut I'ma talkin' 'bout.

[StarWarsGooN]

Originally Posted by StarWarsGooN

Time travel was way overused as a plot tool!

{After seeing new "reboot" Star Trek movie}:

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Please kill me.........

...............time travel and alternate realities........
This "reboot" ST franchise has nowhere to go and will hang in limbo...much like Superman Returns.... <----I know its comparing apples to oranges but if you understand and take my comprehension of the whole situation from my standpoint.
Granted the characters were marvelous and story took some direction sideturns, but I don't see this going anywhere...it made its $millions$ as a one way trip.

As of right now, a circle group of sith people in the wings are just itching for George Lucas to kick the bucket so they can do a "rehash", "reimagining", or "reboot" of
Star Wars...

.......We will see it in our lifetime. Mark my words.

I know this isn't the truest place to debate all this here but I just had to vent and express.

[Prime]

TOS for me. Nothing will top the characters, humor, and general fun. Like TNG a lot as well as it is better written overall. But nothing beats the original.

KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!

[Jan Gaarni]

Ban me to oblivion!

I kinda liked Enterprise, and it's the series (of the Star Trek franchise I mean) I've seen the most over and over again.
Don't know why. I just do.

It had it's faults, sure. And the last season seemed rushed, atleast at the end. And the end .... boy, what a mess.

[Tommycat]

I liked the reboot. of Trek. Sure I hated the ship, but the movie itself worked quite well.

[Q]

Originally Posted by StarWarsGooN

As of right now, a circle group of sith people in the wings are just itching for George Lucas to kick the bucket so they can do a "rehash", "reimagining", or "reboot" of
Star Wars...

.......We will see it in our lifetime. Mark my words.

As long as they rehash the PT and leave the OT alone, that would be perfectly fine by me. It'd be quite an achievement for anyone to mess up the PT any more than GL and his sycophants have already.

Unless they made it into a musical or something.

[Jae Onasi]

Originally Posted by Qliveur

Unless they made it into a musical or something.

Oh God, imagine if Pierce Brosnan and Meryl Streep are the lead singers....