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Old 07-12-2009, 01:48 PM   #41
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Well most people that don't like it haven't had enough time to mess around with it to realize that it's actually better and easier than XP...Vista's problems are more related to image rather than incompatibility, bugs, etc.
Yep. Youtube wasnt around in the days when people were trying to pop XP on the win 98 rig. Also, less people were DIY'ing OS installs back then.

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Old 07-12-2009, 06:24 PM   #42
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Well me and the missus got us a shiny new laptop (on contract cause we're poor lolz) that has Vista Premium on it, but we also got a free upgrade to Windows 7 Premium when it gets released on Oct 22nd, must say I'm quite excited!

I've tried the RC on my old laptop and I must say I like

Edit: 17" screen 1440x900 is very pretty for a laptop to watch movies n stuff on



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Just to let you know...

Windows 7 Upgrade Versions are now at their regular price...if you missed the pre-order special...well...sorry.

Here are the prices

Home Premium: $119.99
Professional: $199.99
Ultimate (which never received a pre-order special price): 219.99



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Build 7600 (RTM) has now started making its way to (very) select MS partners. So select in fact that the p2p leak sourec was pretty obvious

Msdn/technet subscribers (etc) have been told to wait until July 24th....

MS has also clarified upgrade pathway details:

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Old 07-14-2009, 04:37 PM   #45
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Just to let you know...

Windows 7 Upgrade Versions are now at their regular price...if you missed the pre-order special...well...sorry.

Here are the prices

Home Premium: $119.99
Professional: $199.99
Ultimate (which never received a pre-order special price): 219.99
I'm glad that I splurged and got in on the special.


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That was a good deal indeed Q

Also some more RTM specific info on the Windows 7 team blog

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I need 64bit Windows with my 4gigs of ram (and another gig on my graphic card ).

But really, there's no reason to avoid the 64-bit version. It's the future. If anyone's worried about compatibility, I can tell you it's not a problem anymore. Unless you have some pesky apps installed that you use for work (yeah, there can be problems... especially if they're bloated and require a ****-load of drivers to run) or an ancient printer, I wouldn't worry. 64-bit drivers are available nowadays for pretty much every device that's less than 2 years old. So, if you have a new PC, 64-bit is the way to go, IMO.


Also, does anyone miss XP's status bar functionality in Win7 (and Vista also)? It displayed some useful information like how much free disc space you have left and the size of all files within the folder you're in. I miss this quite a bit, and I see no logical reason why M$ removed it.


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and another gig on my graphic card
The size of your GPUs video memory is not entirely pertinent to requiring a x64 OS - unless you have a workstation card perhaps(like a quadro), and are using it within an application like Adobe CS4 x64.

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Unless you have some pesky apps installed that you use for work (yeah, there can be problems... for pretty much every device that's less than 2 years old.
I know it seems unusual to techheads like us, but there are many people that dont want to buy new kit that frequently. The amount of individuals and business I know using XP far outshadows those using Vista/W7.

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Do you have a pic ? There are many things you can switch on and off in Vista.

If you are a stickler for file and folder details, then something like cubic explorer might be what you're after. It can be configured to show you pretty much everything. Tis also free

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The size of your GPUs video memory is not entirely pertinent to requiring a x64 OS - unless you have a workstation card perhaps(like a quadro), and are using it within an application like Adobe CS4 x64.
No, but if you have 4GB or RAM, 32-bit OS will only see 3GB if you have other devices taking up to 1GB of the total of 4GB allowed/possible (I know there are ways around, but I prefer 64-bit, thanks) on 32-bit systems.

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I know it seems unusual to techheads like us, but there are many people that dont want to buy new kit that frequently. The amount of individuals and business I know using XP far outshadows those using Vista/W7.
Yes, believe me, I know. It kind of bothers me, but there's nothing I can do about it. Fear of a bad investment is there, as is the people's unwillingness to try something new.

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Do you have a pic ? There are many things you can switch on and off in Vista.
I'm not on XP at the moment, but here's a pic I snatched off Google. You can see the stuff displayed in the status bar (free disc space, folder size). There's no way to get those back in Vista/7.

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If you are a stickler for file and folder details, then something like cubic explorer might be what you're after. It can be configured to show you pretty much everything. Tis also free
I'll take a look, though I think it will take some time for me to get used to it.

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Old 07-15-2009, 09:53 AM   #50
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No, but if you have 4GB or RAM, 32-bit OS will only see 3GB
The physical address extension limitation is well known, however when recommending x64 as a purchase decision(as you seem to be) some details need to be made clear. At the moment, the benefits of x64 can only be seen in very specific contexts - most of these meaning naught for the average user/gamer:

*niche applications (video editing/animation/computational)
*multiple client server setup
*multiple OS virtualisation

x64 is 'the future' but most devs are not coding for it just now. Same goes for games. The overwhelming popularity of Vista x64 among the enthusiast crowd comes from the magic trick that is the x86 compatibility layer.

Have a look at the 'Program files' folders from my very own vista x64 rig.. There are hardly any aplications running in x64 mode/utilising the x64 registry



One day, proper x64 computing will get here.. but not quite yet

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organise>layout>menu bar>view>status bar.

Im pretty sure they've removed the free disk space info, and reported that instead in your drive menu. Alternatively you can use the drive space gadget or a third party applet like cubicexplorer, to give you that info as you flit about between directories.

To tell truth, I myself never even noticed it was missing

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The physical address extension limitation is well known, however when recommending x64 as a purchase decision(as you seem to be) some details need to be made clear. At the moment, the benefits of x64 can only be seen in very specific contexts - most of these meaning naught for the average user/gamer:

*niche applications (video editing/animation/computational)
*multiple client server setup
*multiple OS virtualisation

x64 is 'the future' but most devs are not coding for it just now. Same goes for games. The overwhelming popularity of Vista x64 among the enthusiast crowd comes from the magic trick that is the x86 compatibility layer.

One day, proper x64 computing will get here.. but not quite yet
I'm well aware of all of this, but I believe I made my reasons for moving to x64 clear. And I will recommend anyone who's buying a new computer for home to use the same. The more people start using x64, the more developers will start developing for it.

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organise>layout>menu bar>view>status bar.

Im pretty sure they've removed the free disk space info, and reported that instead in your drive menu.

Yeah, the status bar in Vista/7 is nearly useless as it only shows the number of items within the currently opened folder.

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To tell truth, I myself never even noticed it was missing

Lucky you. You would've been feeling a sense of loss right now if you had ever gotten used to it.

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Old 08-10-2009, 12:48 AM   #52
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I got my RTM .isos today via msdn. I have installed it on my tablet pc but not in a hurry to deploy on htpc yet. I do have x86 as dual boot but not ready to switch to the x64 full time OS yet... Theres a couple of )htpc related) editing apps I need to catch up with W7.

As much as I can see, its very much like RC. In fact fixes and teaks I've deployed in RC(such as the sidebar fix) worked fine in RTM. Will probably give KOTOR a go on it soon to report to the KOTOR peeps.

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Old 08-14-2009, 07:24 PM   #53
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Here's one for you Astro.

I'm running W7 on my computer, returned to me by my brother after months of his usage. After achieving the amazing feat of frying my graphics card, i'm now stuck using the p4vm800 onboard graphics, Unichrome pro. However, no drivers are available for this in W7.

Obviously i'll be purchasing another AGP graphics card soon, but i'd like to get back to WoW'ing it up asap. I can solve it by going back to xp, but i'd rather exhaust any alternate method first.

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Hm. Have you tried the Vista drivers? Vista and 7 share the same kernel. It might be worth a try.

Hopefully you won't have to pay too huge a premium for an AGP card.


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Old 08-17-2009, 12:31 AM   #55
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Help me, Astrotoy7. You're my only hope.
As Q said, if Vista drivers exist, try those first - just remember to deploy them in vista compatibility mode. If not, then try installing the XP drivers in xp compatibility mode. I have a tablet pc from 2005 which has an nvidia 32MB GPU which was supported for xp only. I ran XP drivers in compat mode in vista and W7 with no gripes

To run in compatbility mode :
>Rt click the installation setup file>Properties>Select compatibility tab>pick the OS you want from the drop down box>Apply

Then run the setup as normal (and hope it works!)

AMD have more love for AGP than nvidia so you could look into an AGP 4850 if you really want to keep that mainboard for a while longer. of course, youd need to be sure your AGP slot will support the 4850 and that youi have an adequate PSU.

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Here's a recent article Guru 3D did comparing Vista to Win7 in gaming performance. Basically, performance was very similar, which isnt hugely suprirising given that W7 6.1 is a derivative of the Vista 6.0 Kernel, and DX11 has full DX9/DX10 compatibility built in - but its good to see that W7 will be stable on release

Read the G3D Article HERE

W7 did show some small gains in 1600p performance \o/

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Old 09-04-2009, 03:00 PM   #57
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I am still thinking to continue with Windows XP because I am using it since last three year and I have no problem with that.
When something works, then stick to it !!

Of course, there will always be early adopters like myself that want to try the newest thing, and yell for a few months while bugs are ironed out

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Old 09-04-2009, 07:24 PM   #58
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Old 09-05-2009, 10:48 AM   #59
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Just a quick question...is there any advantage to installing W7 over Vista itself or is doing a clean install the better option?



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I would say a clean install is always the best idea, though I have no experience with 7 at this point.

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Upgrade installs exist for noob users who want to try maintain all their apps and config settings, specifically if theyd have difficulty setting up a pc from scratch. Of course, it can cause just as many problems in certain contexts where driver and app compatibility is a bit shaky...

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Old 10-07-2009, 01:18 AM   #62
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Ars technica just reported that 97% of intel testers recommend Windows 7.

http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/new...m_campaign=rss



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Ars technica just reported that 97% of intel testers recommend Windows 7.

http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/new...m_campaign=rss
lolz....anyone who uses intel is a fool!

*covers corei7 rig*

still exorcising the AMD fanboy atm...it will take a few months I think

W7 is a couple of weeks from going mainstream retail. I must admit I have been very impressed with it on my HTPC and tablet. I havent moved onto W7 full time on my gaming rig purely because some of my game installs are in Vista and I cant be bothered reinstalling in W7. Once the Mass Effect, Assassins Creed, Bisoshock sequels etc come out - I'll be switching over

I think Windows 7 and the Zune HD will turn over a new leaf for MS. Here are three more things they could do to really make a dent in other markets. So far Ive been pretty good with my predictions - bluray winning the format war, ps3 price drops, so you can bet your lego house on these
>the zune phone. A tegra based phone with the zunes multimedia capacity will be a much welcomed competitor to the iphone
>The next gen Xbox - make it bluray and a native PVR(like the PS3 playTV addon) and you have a zillion seller
>MS to enter the e-reader market. E-readers are gradually becoming more mainstream, but at $200 a pop(for the cheapest) ones are still a bit expensive. I really want one that is mildly felexible... like a real book

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^I'm not a fool!!!! I'm just misinformed!

Have you tried out the Zune HD?



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Have you tried out the Zune HD?
Not in person. As they are not officially available out here in Oz, you can only get one from ebay etc - which will set you back about $400AUD for the 16gb version.

Being a pda user - Im probably going to wait and see what winmo 7 turns out like because I need a new phone before I need a new media device. If I dont like it - I might then go for one of the htc android phones.

As much as I like the idea, I dont think Tegra based phones will hit is for another 18-24 months - by then the next iphone will be sporting them too...

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Just gotta say...3 days and counting!!!



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Just gotta say...3 days and counting!!!
lolz...you need to make friends with more Network Admins (particularly ones who have access to msdn and technet subscripitons)

Im going to try block my ears over the next few days to try drown out all the "MS new operating system is so much better than vista" junk that is going to float around. I like Win7, but NT 6.1 means it really is vista at the most fundamental level

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Happy Windows 7 Day!

Got my copy in the mail today...but I've gotta wait 'til tomorrow so that I have time to back stuff up as well as allowing time to fix any issues that I may hit.

Anyone got it today? Thoughts?



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Ive posted these at AHT, but just as relevant here:

Here's MS student discont reg page.

http://windows7.digitalriver.com/sto...=1256355888928

Just pop in your school/college email address to see if you qualify and you can get Win7 premium upgrade edition for $29.95. That page is the US version so if youre outside of the US you may need to check what is available in your nation

Also, here's a visual guide explaining MS convoluted upgrade pathways


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Hey tech champs >> here's a cool development that can save you up to $80 (often the price difference for a upgrade vs full install disc)

Paul Thurott over at the SuperSite Blog has worked out how to perform a clean Windows 7 install using the upgrade disc.

Normally, you can boot and run full setup on with the Upgrade media for Windows 7(even on a blank drive or partition), but when you go to activate, it won't work.

The workaround instructions are as follows:

1. Perform a clean installation using the Upgrade disc.

2. Make sure there are no Windows Updates pending -- if there's an orange shield icon next to the Shutdown button in the Start Menu, that means you need to reboot before attempting the next steps.

3. Open 'regedit.exe' from the Start Menu -- just type it in there, where it says: Search programs and files. Accept the User Account Control dialogue that pops up to give yourself Windows 7 superpowers.

4. Navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/Software/Microsoft/Windows/CurrentVersion/Setup/OOBE/

5. Change MediaBootInstall from '1' to '0'

6. Open the Start Menu again and type 'cmd' -- use ctrl+shift+enter to run it as an elevated-permissions user

7. Finally, type slmgr /rearm -- and press enter.

Apparently, the install twice method used in Vista also works.

For more info >> source


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How do you get a 32 bit vista home premium up to a 64 bit 7? I popped in the disc for 64 bit but it told me that I couldn't install it b/c my system is 32 bit...



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If you're going from 32-bit to 64-bit you're going to have to do a clean install, possibly via Astro's instructions in the post above yours.

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Yeah, I remember people pulling that trick with the Vista upgrade.


"They should rename the team to the Washington Government Sucks. Put Obama on the helmet. Line the entire walls of the stadium with the actual text of the ACA.
Fix their home team score on the board to the debt clock, they can win every game 17,000,000,000,000 to 24. Losing team gets taxed by the IRS 100%, then droned."
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How do you get a 32 bit vista home premium up to a 64 bit 7? I popped in the disc for 64 bit but it told me that I couldn't install it b/c my system is 32 bit...
yep, as the chart will verify >> you cant do an 'upgrade install' to switch from x86 to x64. Do a fresh install and run the activation trick ive outlined above >> if you really need stuff on that drive..... now's the time to back it up !!

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Old 10-28-2009, 01:19 PM   #75
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Finally got my Windows 7 working (amazon sent me a scratched disc and I had to get a replacement )

I'm blown away by how good it looks, runs, and how surprisingly compatible it is with a large number of apps/drivers.

I like the new Windows Media Center a lot (I've got TV goin through it and it's a great DVR)

Just everything is amazing, including performance.

I liked Vista, but 7 is near perfect for me.



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I like the new Windows Media Center a lot (I've got TV goin through it and it's a great DVR)
If you dont like the default blue theme - there are some cool themes available at theme7mc.com The black one is particularly awesome

Windows 7 Media Center (7MC for us HTPC freaks) is definitely a step forward. You lucky US peeps now can now get netflix(make sure you install the interface update via windows update) and cablecard integration. Make sure you check out the article I previously linkied to for cool plugins, or hack7mc.com for great summaries and links.

The only thing missing atm is a remote scheduling app. The Live Mesh team are working on one, as is super Oz coder Niall Ginsbourg who makes the ground breaking and highly polished Big Screen Apps.

Whilst 7MC has foundation mpeg4(avis etc) built in - if you need extra codec support - make sure you check out win7 codec pack, and the x64 components add on is a must if you're on x64. see shark007.net for more info.

Have fun

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^Slick stuff Astro.

I have to say that I am extremely impressed w/ WMC in 7. My TV Tuner for whatever reason works so much better in it and it just responds better overall. Great work and it looks even better.



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Good afternoon guys, I've finally had my upgrade disk delivered, and I find myself in need of assistance already.

I've removed the programs it asked me to during the upgrade process, but I still can't upgrade because the installer is telling me that "setup was unable to determine if bitlocker drive encryption is in use"

I've never even heard of bitlocker until now, so i'm a bit lost as to what to do.

Any help would be appreciated.






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Hey, Astor.

First of all, are you upgrading from Vista or XP?

I suspect that you're just going to have to back up everything and do a clean install. This would be the better route in the long run, anyway.


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Fix their home team score on the board to the debt clock, they can win every game 17,000,000,000,000 to 24. Losing team gets taxed by the IRS 100%, then droned."
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Hey, Astor.

First of all, are you upgrading from Vista or XP?

I suspect that you're just going to have to back up everything and do a clean install. This would be the better route in the long run, anyway.
I'm upgrading from Vista Home Premium to 7 Home Premium (obviously )

I did actually consider doing a clean install, but opted to try the upgrade first as it would have been less hassle, but it looks like i've got a night of backing up to do.






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