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Revan 38 65.52%
Anikan 12 20.69%
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Old 09-23-2009, 11:58 AM   #161
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Lets just say that the battle between them is a draw.


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Old 09-25-2009, 11:07 PM   #162
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I think the fact of the matter is, George says one thing, but does another... He states that Anakin is the Chosen one of Prophecy, and the most gifted Jedi of all era's, yet he only wins like one (Pre-suit) G-canon fight lol... he gets owned by Dooku, then kills the 80 yr old, then gets the greatest ass whooping and ownage in cinematic history, and put into an Iron lung, tragic hero maybe, but greatest Jedi ever... Nope.

Revan is a Playable Character on a game, his feats are bound to be over the top and interesting... it's Your personal story.

The Jedi and Sith of the films (Apart from some of Sidious powers and accomplishments) seem more like Ninjas or special Police officers than the fabled mystical warriors of the the Pre-Ruusan Republic.

So I'll have to recount my Vote and say Draw, on the grounds of Lack of evidence and Canon status favoritism.
You forget-Anakin was never said to be the most powerful Jedi of all time. He was the chosen one, the one who would bring balance to the force. He really almost did that, except Luke survived. I know that most people think that bringing the force into balance means getting rid of the darkside, but in my own opinion I think that bringing balance to the force would be getting rid of force users all together. Of course, the problem with my theory is the Emperor Hands(Mara and Lumiya right?) and Leia. If we eliminated them from the picture though, and if Luke had perished with his father, all of the practicing force users(known) would be dead. Lol, I might have gone a bit off topic there.
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Old 09-26-2009, 11:47 AM   #163
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^^^nope, George has said (While we are discussing the G canon) that killing the Emperor and Luke surviving did bring balance to the force, the Lightside prevailed and they all lived happily ever after... The End. But then he allowed the EU to be made which altered this fact.

Topic: Where do I say Anakin is the most powerful Jedi ever in that quote? I used GL's words only bud and my Opinion was, that he is in fact Not the most Powerful.


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Old 09-26-2009, 12:02 PM   #164
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^^^nope, George has said (While we are discussing the G canon) that killing the Emperor and Luke surviving did bring balance to the force, the Lightside prevailed and they all lived happily ever after... The End. But then he allowed the EU to be made which altered this fact.
Actually, George Lucas said the EU was just a parrallel world from his:
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Topic: Where do I say Anakin is the most powerful Jedi ever in that quote? I used GL's words only bud and my Opinion was, that he is in fact Not the most Powerful.
I have an opinion too, and it involves Palpatine vs. Revan, which I'm not gonna say since LoH would be on my tail for the rest of my life.

Topic: I don't think Anakin is the most powerful Jedi either, at least not yet, he has potential, but he's not the most powerful Jedi ever.

Let me revise my comparisons.

Lightsaber Battle: Yes, they are both good fighters, but like Malak, Anakin has the tendency to rush into battle, which ends up being his downfall.
Winner: Revan

Battle of Force: This time I'm a bit more torn, we haven't seen Revan's full potential due to restricted game mechanics nor have we seen much from him from before his new memory. We haven't seen Anakin's full potential either since he was too ignorant to develop his powers (at least I think so, if anybody could clarify if that is true or not, I'd like to know).
Winner: Yet to be decided


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Old 09-26-2009, 12:52 PM   #165
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Actually, George Lucas said the EU was just a parrallel world from his:
Again, where does my post dispute this? I'm just saying that when he spoke about ROTJ, He didn't Have any more stories to tell and that Anakin succeeded in bringing balance to the force, I merely mentioned the EU to note that I am a Fan, and I have investment in the NJO, Legacy era etc.


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Old 09-26-2009, 04:04 PM   #166
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Wow...

well, this has gotten pretty heated (as all vs. threads generally do)

Yes, I read ALL 5 pages of this, and I think there are some things that we need to learn from threads like this:

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1. Don't play the Revan Fanboy card.
Seriously, it's annoying on both sides. All of you who think "Revan is UbER 1337 need to gain some perspective."
However, at the same time, blindly calling people Revan fanboys is equally annoying and insulting to those who like him for actual legitimate reasons.

Take myself for instance. I like Revan because he had a grand master plan. Everything he ended up doing ended up contributing to some greater plan (dealing with the True Sith)... sure maybe he had some hiccups along the way and he perhaps unintentionally/accidentally ended up doing some things that helped him out later, but still.. Grand Plan.


But what exactly did he do to execute this master plan, VP, and what was his master plan, huh?


You fill in the blanks. I'm just here to establish that not all of us are fanboys. It's insulting.


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2. G-canon is no fun.
Might as well just call it the God-cannon, as whoever calls it has the right to blow you out of the debate. Whatever happened to free speech and independent thinking? Just because George Lucas says "Anakin is the chosen One" or "Greedo shot first" doesn't mean we have to follow and believe him blindly.

Just go with your gut... and if your gut is loyal to G-canon, or C-canon, or non-canon then so be it. It's not like it matters anyways, because ultimately you shouldn't care what other people think. Just like RedHawke said, don't expect everyone to be on the same page.


Hmm, now to contribute to this thread:

They will both die. They are so equally matched that they will both strike to kill and succeed.

Case dismissed

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Old 09-26-2009, 04:29 PM   #167
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Well Said VP. Its just a poll. No need to go and get serious about it!



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Old 09-27-2009, 07:40 PM   #168
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^^^nope, George has said (While we are discussing the G canon) that killing the Emperor and Luke surviving did bring balance to the force, the Lightside prevailed and they all lived happily ever after... The End. But then he allowed the EU to be made which altered this fact.

Topic: Where do I say Anakin is the most powerful Jedi ever in that quote? I used GL's words only bud and my Opinion was, that he is in fact Not the most Powerful.
My bad
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Old 09-28-2009, 11:04 AM   #169
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I don't want to enhance any controversy and heat up the argument, but I think a "draw" is a copout. In mortal combat, both rarely die. One might go to the hospital while the other to the grave, but rarely do we see both get the axe at the same time. It's just extremely rare unluck.

As for "draw, both live." It's like saying, who would win, "Yoda vs. Mace Windu"? The easy copout answer would be: "Draw, they are both light side! They would never kill each other." Of course they would never kill each other, but that doesn't address a hypothetical question of who would actually win. Of who has greater combat abilities.

Some fights end prematurely when interrupted by a 3rd party. But when 3rd party factors are involved, then we can't have a true "X vs. Y" debate. Revan and Anikan could fight then all of the sudden 20 jedis show up. Of course the situation would change. Breaks in fight due to interruptions don't help the debate.

A real fight won't end, we are hypothesizing who would win. Remember we aren't asking what would happen if Revan and Anikan met.

For all of you who voted draw, if you really like that vanilla "medium" answer, I think it would be better to say, "6 out of 10 times X would win over Y." (if you can try to avoid saying 5 times out of 10). Have the courage to say one side is more likely to win. Complex things are never a perfect 50/50 situation.
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Old 09-28-2009, 11:18 AM   #170
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A real fight won't end, we are hypothesizing who would win. Remember we aren't asking what would happen if Revan and Anikan met.
I said draw, but mainly out of my disdain for these kinds of threads. Of course one would have to win, but I don't know who would.

I don't think it would be a pushover for either - I think that it would eventually be a case of which opponent began to tire first.






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Old 09-28-2009, 11:56 AM   #171
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I said draw, but mainly out of my disdain for these kinds of threads. Of course one would have to win, but I don't know who would.

I don't think it would be a pushover for either - I think that it would eventually be a case of which opponent began to tire first.
Sounds like a 4th option "don't know/care" would be good.
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Old 09-28-2009, 12:29 PM   #172
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Sounds like a 4th option "don't know/care" would be good.
Most of us call that option "not voting".




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Old 09-28-2009, 01:27 PM   #173
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Most of us call that option "not voting".
Heheheh, but some from that group still want to put in their two cents. Don't ask me why.
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Old 10-14-2009, 05:32 PM   #174
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Comparing one fiction to another is ridiculous. I understand that if Lucas created the series, we yield to his wisdom for being the author. I suppose that if there were something new that contradicts his own story, he would say that Anakin could have done exactly that.

So if someone creates a new character that Lucas didn't intend to move a star destroyer, he could say that Starkiller would have been less powerful than what he was in the game TFU. I can understand that Starkiller was intended as an all out super Force user, but wouldn't have been accepted as a character in the original series.
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Old 10-14-2009, 08:41 PM   #175
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I can understand that Starkiller was intended as an all out super Force user, but wouldn't have been accepted as a character in the original series.
The only reason that Starkiller is as powerful as he is, is to make the gameplay more interesting for TFU.


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Old 10-15-2009, 04:45 PM   #176
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The only reason that Starkiller is as powerful as he is, is to make the gameplay more interesting for TFU.
Still it doesn't change that Starkiller had brought down a Star destroyer. I've never seen Anakin or even Yoda do such a thing. I can believe Yoda could have, but he never did move something like a star destroyer.

So that creates a conflict between what the original characters were able to do and what newer characters have done. If you're a 'G-canon' believer, then you can assume Anakin was the most powerful. If you compare what characters have done, then you can say the most Yoda had ever done was lift a 15-ton ship.

So either you accept 'G-canon' or you accept what the characters have or haven't done in the series. If 'G-canon' worked in both cases, then it would win in both cases.
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Still it doesn't change that Starkiller had brought down a Star destroyer. I've never seen Anakin or even Yoda do such a thing. I can believe Yoda could have, but he never did move something like a star destroyer.
Well, if the size doesn't matter (As Yoda claimed), then what's the difference? Seeing as Kota almost immediately suggests pulling it from the sky, which he wouldn't do if Starkiller were the only one capable, I don't think pulling the Star Destroyer from the sky is really as demanding of a feat as we assume it to be.




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Well, if the size doesn't matter (As Yoda claimed), then what's the difference? Seeing as Kota almost immediately suggests pulling it from the sky, which he wouldn't do if Starkiller were the only one capable, I don't think pulling the Star Destroyer from the sky is really as demanding of a feat as we assume it to be.
Well I still have yet to see another character do the same. If it happened more often and other characters did it, then it would be proof to that statement.
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Well I still have yet to see another character do the same. If it happened more often and other characters did it, then it would be proof to that statement.
Well I can understand why nobody else would do it; after all, Starkiller is on a junkyard world in the middle of an Imperial base, so bringing down the ship really only destroyed an Imperial operation. Whereas, if Yoda had pulled down a CIS ship during, say, during the Battle of Coruscant, he'd have also killed thousands of innocent people on the planet's surface. Kota's quickness to give that order, to me, implies that such a feat is not so unheard of, even if we haven't seen it more.

In any case, I am more apt to take Yoda's word, than the word of a developer who expects me to pay $60 for a game I already purchased just to get 45 minutes of DLC.




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Whereas, if Yoda had pulled down a CIS ship during, say, during the Battle of Coruscant, he'd have also killed thousands of innocent people on the planet's surface. Kota's quickness to give that order, to me, implies that such a feat is not so unheard of, even if we haven't seen it more.
"What?! Are you insane?! It's massive!" That doesn't seem to imply it's done all the time. (The secret apprentice could have been like Luke and the X-wing, but still...)

When a roof came down upon Kyle Katarn, he told Jaden he couldn't keep it up for long. Anakin and Obi wan could have arrested that burning ship instead of crash-landing in Episode three.

The point is that in TFU, it was the only time such a feat was ever done. I'm not saying it might not have been common enough, but it simply was the only time it ever happened. Would it be more logical to measure someone's abilities by what they haven't done?

I tend to judge by what someone HAS done.
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