The ages of the main characters

[Te Darasuum Mandalor]

Here's how I think all the main characters in KOTOR are. These are just my ussumptions, give me yours to.

Kotor 1

Revan: 28

Bastila: 22

Carth: 39

Trask Ulgo: 36

Mission Vao: 14

T3-M4: a few months

HK-47: 6

Zalbaar: 46

Juhani: 18

Jolee: 64

Canderous: 47


KotOR 2

The Exile: 32

Atton Rand: 33

Mical: 24

Mira: 20

Visas: 19

Brianna: 29

Hannhaar: 52

HK-47: 10

T3-M4: 4

GOTO: 46

Mandalore: 51

Give me your opinions too. How old do you think they are?

[Darth Avlectus]

KOTOR I:

Revan 27
Carth 44
Bastila 24
Mission 14 (obviously )
Zaalbar 57 (Wookiees have something like a 350 year lifespan IIRC, Chewbacca was 297 in ANH)
Canderous 45
T3-M4 brand new
HK-47 7
Jolee 63
Juhani 28

Freyyer 156
Chuundar 67
Master Vandar: 350 something (just didn't seem quite as old or wise as Yoda did for his time)
Master Zhar 66 (I figure twi'leks are longer lived with a longer physical prime)
Master Dorak: 51
Master Vrook 63
That one Jedi that Juhani was ...close with ~24
Leena 25
Griff 21
Sunry 58
Sunry's wife 56
Helena Shan 49
Calo Nord 41
Davik 65
Jagi 39
Saul Karath 51
Yuthura Ban 32
Sith Academy leader 51
Sith hermit 70
Darth Bandon 25
Darth Malak 28

KOTOR II
Exile 32
Atton 30
Kreia 78-ish (had to be late 70's, b/c she was older than Jolee)
Bao Dur 28
Brianna 30
Mira 26
Disciple 27
G0-T0 guessing maybe 20-30 years
HK, and T3 just add 5 years
Mandalore 50
Visas 27
Hanhar 83

Lt. Dol Grenn 48
Carth and Basty add 5 years
Dopak late twenties to Early thirties
Azkul 42
Admiral Cede 55
Darth Nihilus 35 (totally arbitrary but what little remained of the mind seemed to resemble that of a power hungry but fairly young person, and I don't believe he had been a sith very long, maybe ~10 years max)
Darth Sion 64 {he had been recruited some 40+ years earlier as a Sith Marauder in Exar Kun's army--look it up as that is sourced (which I will cover in my fanfic if I ever finish it! I figure as a young man in his early twenties he turned to the dark side).}
Master Vrook add 5
Master Zez Kai-Ell ~ mid 50's (acts as though younger, but fights as though older: Skilled but little stamina)
Kavar 38
Vash 41 at death

[purifier]

Ooooo! This is speculative (well maybe some of it), but fun. Alrighty then............

KOTOR

Revan 34 (I guess I think he/she has been living just a little longer than what most people think.)

Carth 38 ( I just don't see him any older than in the mid or late 30's at that time in the game.)

Bastila 29

Zaalbar 99

Mission 14 (Yeah, that was a givin' wasn't it.)

Juhani 28

Jolee 53

Canderous 44

T3 (How would you really know, since they are machines. Just about every part is replaced over time through regular maintenance by the owner.)

HK-47 (^Same as above.^)


KOTOR II

Exile 37 (He/she has to be in their late 30's by now, in this game, if they followed Raven before to the Mandalorian Wars.

Atton 34

Kriea 59

Bao-Dur 35

Visas 32

Brianna 19

Mical/Disciple 21

Mira 23

Hannhar 55

Mandalore 49

T3 (Again, machine can't really tell.)

HK-47 (^Same as above^)

Go-To (^Same as above^)

[TKA-001]

I don't have time to guess at all of the main and supporting characters, but I'd put Revan somewhere in his/her mid thirties as of KotOR I, and the Exile in her/his mid to late thirties as of TSL.

[Ping]

Originally Posted by TKA-001

I don't have time to guess at all of the main and supporting characters, but I'd put Revan somewhere in his/her mid thirties as of KotOR I, and the Exile in her/his mid to late thirties as of TSL.

Agreed. If they were in their twenties in both games, then they'd be 10-ish during the Mando Wars, which wouldn't make much sense.

[Darth Avlectus]

I made Revan and Exile about the same age 'cos I figure the same sort of deal, the mando wars in their twenties, but K1 happened in their late 20s, K2 happened in their early 30s.

[Te Darasuum Mandalor]

do ya think Basty and Rev had kids?

[Ping]

Originally Posted by Mrcharlton

do ya think Basty and Rev had kids?

[offtopic]Browse through "The Years After TSL" topic.[/offtopic]

[Hallucination]

Originally Posted by Mrcharlton

Canderous: 47

Originally Posted by GTA:SWcity

Canderous 45

Originally Posted by purifier

Canderous 44

I've been playing K1 again this winter break, and Canderous tells you that he's been fighting for 40 years. While Mandalorians do start early in the whole fighting for honour thing, I don't think they start at 4, 5 or 7 years old. :P

[Totenkopf]

Given the whole Spartan like quality of the Mandalorians, I figured Ordo to likely be not much older than his early 50s (<55). Given that there are children in some societies that are fighting younger than 10, this doesn't seem too offbase.

[Te Darasuum Mandalor]

Revan seemed to be a few years older than Bastila. I don't know why, he just seemed to be much older. And also, SWCity said that Revan was 27 and Malak was 28, I thought Revan would be older than Malak. After all, he was his apprentice and masters should generaly be older than his padawan, at least by two or three years. Oh Yeah, I also read the weirdest fanfic the other day pre mando wars and Bastila and Malak were in love (disturbingly in love if ya know what I'm getting at) and it was like a love triangle and Revan turned to the Dark side and Malak was the one that redeemed himself. It was HILARIUS! Heres the ages of the minor characters and the ones I forgott.

Kreia: 72

Bao-Dur: 43

Helena: 65

Malak: 26

Vandar: 427

Vrook: 54

Zhar: 48

Lamar: 42

Visas: 32

Nihilus: 36

Sion: 29

Davik: 57

Dol Grenn: 61

Colonel Tobin: 43

Vaklu: 34

Talia: 28

Calo Nord: 34

Admiral Dadonna: 32

Lonna Vash: 41

Kavar: 37

Griff: 22

Leena: 18

Saul Karath: 54

Yuthura: 24

Uthar: 56

Sith Hermit: 86

Dustil Onasi: 16

Zeadra: 25

Hidden Beck Leader: 52

Vulkar leader: 24

Master Zek Ell: 49

Characters from comics

Zayne Carrick: 19

Shel: 18

Gryph: 42

Jarael: 20

Camper: 64

Merry Christmas!

[Lord2]

*slaps everyone in the face*

Some of you are FAR off!

...to quote Mr. Avellone (lead designer of K2)

"From the Casting Doc we sent to LucasArts...

PC - varies, depending on what you want your character to look like.
Atton Rand is 29-32.
Handmaiden, Disciple, and Visas Marr are all 25.
Kreia looks 50, but like Yoda, who knows.
T3 was built in K1, so he's only had 5 years of hard living.
Mandalore is 63 in Mandalorian years.
Mira is 23.

The others are not specifically referenced, but you can probably backtrack from their histories in the game to figure it out. "

Source:
http://forums.obsidian.net/index.php...2&#entry184142

[Te Darasuum Mandalor]

How old does everybody think the party members are? There haven't been any responces lately. Only post if you want to do the ages, no more offtopic stuff.

[purifier]

Originally Posted by Hallucination

I've been playing K1 again this winter break, and Canderous tells you that he's been fighting for 40 years. While Mandalorians do start early in the whole fighting for honour thing, I don't think they start at 4, 5 or 7 years old. :P

Your right, forgot all about that, he did mention something about 40 years.

Originally Posted by Totenkopf

Given the whole Spartan like quality of the Mandalorians, I figured Ordo to likely be not much older than his early 50s (<55). Given that there are children in some societies that are fighting younger than 10, this doesn't seem too offbase.

Yep...that makes sense too, come to think of it, Mira gave me that impression too; when she talks about her past to the Exile.

I'm glad the both of you pointed these things out, so in that case, he really must be at least 50 if not more in KOTOR.

[Darth Avlectus]

The answers I gave for the most part are not necessarily solid except in a few cases.

Originally Posted by Ping

[offtopic]Browse through "The Years After TSL" topic.[/offtopic]

Oh, and I recently discovered that in a fairly recent DarkHorse comic, Luke Skywalker teams up with a Republic agent named Deena Shan. Fancy that?

Originally Posted by Hallucination

I've been playing K1 again this winter break, and Canderous tells you that he's been fighting for 40 years. While Mandalorians do start early in the whole fighting for honour thing, I don't think they start at 4, 5 or 7 years old. :P

I do suppose you have a good point there, however, it occurs to me that the difference between some fighter in their 40s and 50s is drastic.

spoiler:

Uncle Candy demonstrated this when he said in TSL something to the effect that he had to rely on his wit, cunning, and armor whereas in K1 he gave the impression of a tiger, ready for the kill.

Originally Posted by Mrcharlton

Revan seemed to be a few years older than Bastila. I don't know why, he just seemed to be much older. And also, SWCity said that Revan was 27 and Malak was 28, I thought Revan would be older than Malak. After all, he was his apprentice and masters should generaly be older than his padawan, at least by two or three years.

If Revan was particularly gifted then the age discrepancy I gave might make even more sense for Malak's "chafing" under Revan's lead. Supposing I took your premise Malak would still have been in his mid late twenties, though.

Kreia: 72

Bao-Dur: 43

Helena: 65

Malak: 26

Vandar: 427

Zhar: 48

Visas: 32

Nihilus: 36

Davik: 57

Colonel Tobin: 43

Vaklu: 34

Talia: 28

Calo Nord: 34

Admiral Dadonna: 32

Lonna Vash: 41

Kavar: 37

Griff: 22

Leena: 18

Saul Karath: 54

Uthar: 56

Zeadra: 25

Hidden Beck Leader: 52

Vulkar leader: 24

Master Zek Ell: 49

Shel: 18

Gryph: 42

Camper: 64

Fair enough I guess.

Vrook: 54

Lamar: 42

WTF? Uhh, Vrook Lamar...is one person???
Lamar: Were you meaning Master Dorak's apprentice--the chronicler? (who presumably escaped Nihilus, or so the unconfirmed rumor says)

Sion: 29

Uhh no. Sion had been around a *lot* longer. He served Exar Kun which was ~40 years before KOTOR 1. Proof:
Article: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sion

The Article

Darth Sion, the Lord of Pain, was a Sith Lord who lived in the time of the Old Sith Wars. As a Sith Marauder in the Great Sith War, Sion fought for Exar Kun's Sith Empire until the day he was struck down.

Now, I have my theory as to why he essentially still had the shape and look of an undead guy in his twenties (though the reason for the mentality isn't hard if you think about it). I can share if you're interested, but Sion isn't that young, I'm sorry.

Yuthura: 24

Sounded a bit older

Dol Grenn: 61

Looked younger--not Gray enough.

Sith Hermit: 86

Is no Palpatine, and awful vibrant for being that old.

Dustil Onasi: 16

I'd say more like 19 or 20: seemed fairly strong in convictions and required significant evidence to get him to change his mind.

Zayne Carrick: 19

Jarael: 20

Hmmm. Just not sure I agree...think I'll let Jae comment what she thinks.

[Astor]

Vrook fifty-four years old? That's ridiculous. He's got to be at least seventy (possibly even eighty) years old, because he was a Jedi Master at the time of the Great Hunt, which occured forty-two years before his death, and I don't think anyone has ever become a master at the age of twelve.

So, if we assume that he was in his late thirties or early forties when he achieved the rank of master, that would put his age at between seventy-eight and eighty-six.

[Te Darasuum Mandalor]

Woops, I forgot that Vrook and Lamar were one and the same! I meant to say Dorak's age


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[shinderhizzle84]

Keep in mind that Bastila is a "young padawan"..I don't think she's in her late or even her mid 20's...I always imagined her being like 20-22ish, and Revan in his mid or late 20's. Carth is probably around the same age as (maybe a couple of years older, since he is his superior at the beginning of the game) Revan...Mission is obviously like a very young teenager....don't know enough about Wookie lifespan (not THAT into SW haha :P) to tell you anything like that.

But even though Bastila in-game looks very old, I always imagined her being A LOT younger, just because I'm 99% sure that along the game somewhere a lot of people describe Bastila as a "young padawan". Take into consideration that Anakin was like 18 or something when he started truly becoming Obi-Wan's padawan and no longer a childish apprentice and think about how despite everyone saying Bastila is incredibly powerful, if she's in her late 20's, then she's been a padawan for 10 YEARS. I mean I don't know if that's a normal wait time (whatwith the jedi preaching patience, haha :P) but to me that sounds like a very long time, especially considering everyone tooting her horn.

[Darth333]

Originally Posted by Te Darasuum Mandalor

38

Well, he must have had a very though life then...I know several 60 something yrs old that look way younger than him... I must look like an early teenager then lol

[Darth Avlectus]

Originally Posted by Darth333

I must look like an early teenager then lol

SSSHHHHHHHH! Quite teasing like that! You'll whip them up into a frenzy.

[Quanon]

Originally Posted by GTA:SWcity

SSSHHHHHHHH! Quite teasing like that! You'll whip them up into a frenzy.

Wondering if every important parts are still as firm as they used to be at her 20's? One can only dream

[purifier]

Originally Posted by Quanon

Wondering if every important parts are still as firm as they used to be at her 20's? One can only dream

*throws cold water on Quanon* Down boy! I say, I say Down!

Originally Posted by Darth333

I know several 60 something yrs old that look way younger than him... I must look like an early teenager then lol

Yep..Now you take somebody like Cher, that women's like what - sixty something years old by now, I'd swear to god she was still 30.

All that Yoga must really pay off.

[Quanon]

Originally Posted by purifier

*throws cold water on Quanon* Down boy! I say, I say Down!

*Sizzles*

Originally Posted by purifier

Yep..Now you take somebody like Cher, that women's like what - sixty something years old by now, I'd swear to god she was still 30.

All that Yoga must really pay off.

I thought that was rather done by surgery and Botox cures... and a big smacking load of make-up.

[purifier]

Originally Posted by Quanon

*Sizzles*



I thought that was rather done by surgery and Botox cures... and a big smacking load of make-up.

I read in some article, which the name of it escapes me now, that someone asked her how she kept looking so good at her age. She was quoted as saying "yoga" but I have suspicous feeling that your probably right Quanon. Or at least a little Botox is involved in her youthful appearance, if nothing else.

@Thread: I was thinking about some of the darkside characters in the Kotor games, I think most of the darksiders like Kreia are actually a lot younger than what their appearance makes us believe they are. Since they went to the darkside and have been that way for awhile, the effects of the darkside is what causes them to look like they are much older, when they are really not. The character Kreia, may actually be in her late 30's but really look like she's in her 60's or 70's.

[Totenkopf]

Well, it's unlikely she'd be in her late 30s as she was a master when Revan was still a student and that was before the Mando Wars started (~15 or so years prior to TSL's events). I figure she's more like early 50s at best (figure Obi-wan was in his early fifties by SW and he looked somewhat the worse for wear).

[mimartin]

Originally Posted by Totenkopf

I figure she's more like early 50s at best (figure Obi-wan was in his early fifties by SW and he looked somewhat the worse for wear).

It isn’t just force sensitives that age poorly in the Star Wars galaxy. Just look at Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru. People just age differently in that galaxy far far away.

[purifier]

Originally Posted by Totenkopf

Well, it's unlikely she'd be in her late 30s as she was a master when Revan was still a student and that was before the Mando Wars started (~15 or so years prior to TSL's events). I figure she's more like early 50s at best (figure Obi-wan was in his early fifties by SW and he looked somewhat the worse for wear).

Yep..apparently so Tot, was checking some sources on the internet and they all pretty much agreed on age of around 50 or "early 50s," like you said, including Wookieepedia. In her biographical information under her pic, they give her the birth date of (4,001 BBY) and of course her death on Malachor V as (3,951 BBY, Malachor V).

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kreia


Once again, thanks for pointing that out Tot.

Originally Posted by mimartin

It isn’t just force sensitives that age poorly in the Star Wars galaxy. Just look at Uncle Own and Aunt Beru. People just age differently in that galaxy far far away.

Good point Mimartin, especially for those two. I'm sure the twin suns and the dry desert was murder on their skin. Sunscreen was probably a joke on that planet.

[Quanon]

Méh, to the whole "zombie" look for DS characters in Kotor. Since they're powerfull in the force they make themselves look like whatever they want. I'dd say DS users are often "ugly" because of their aggressive lifestyle.

Choking, lighting throwing, duelling with other DS or LS users; they get scars and so on.
They're just more abusive on their bodies, wearing it down. Still shouldn't make you look like a bloodless, white/grey ghoul

[Giant Graffiti]

I wonder if Avellone will take back the "looks 50" comment when he turns 50. (She could be 50, but she looks more like mid 70s, at least to me.)

[Darth Avlectus]

^^^When you consider padawans have to be ~25 to be knighted, and Revan is probably now roughly in his early 30s, that makes for a bare minimum of 55, but there are definitely other factors to consider like a timeframe of ~5 years as a darksider (among other things which in turn means additional years), so more like at least 60.

The constant canon tumble is establishing ~50 (or so it appears) so I would not be surprised if TSL is crammed into still further obscurity and contradiction and making Revan even more mary sue instead of the badass marty stu he ought to be.

Look everyone Revan, was a 15 year old who lead the charge into the mandalorian wars! Kreia was 15 when taking on her first, Revan, which explains why she trained only screwups in the eyes of the council forever thereafter.

SW canon committee, if you're reading this, I beg of you please in the name of all that is good and great, let this era alone with what little dignity it has left. PLEASE.

[SkyWoulf]

i know i am posting to an old thread, but i believe in one of the d2a files it lists their age when starting the game.
for instance i *know* mission is 15.

[Hallucination]

Originally Posted by SkyWoulf

i know i am posting to an old thread, but i believe in one of the d2a files it lists their age when starting the game.
for instance i *know* mission is 15.

But when you ask her she says she's 14.

[Darth Avlectus]

^^^So Hal, what's a young buck like you doing in a thread like this where creepy old people hang out.

[TTLan]

Hi, Sir Chris Avellone

Originally Posted by Chris Avellone - Lead Designer of KotOR 2 - TSL - on OE board

"From the Casting Doc we sent to LucasArts...

• PC - varies, depending on what you want your character to look like.
• Atton Rand is 29-32.
• Handmaiden, Disciple, and Visas Marr are all 25.
• Kreia looks 50, but like Yoda, who knows.
• T3 was built in K1, so he's only had 5 years of hard living.
• Mandalore is 63 in Mandalorian years.
• Mira is 23.

The others are not specifically referenced, but you can probably backtrack from their histories in the game to figure it out. "

I think that for Brianna (Handmaiden), she is not 25. It is not possible according to some calculations that have been developed, in French, concerning the calculation of the trial date of Arren Kae (which allows deducing the Brianna's birth date).

http://assiste.free.fr/kotor_2/perso...s_de_arren_kae

In essence, when exiled, Arren Kae joined her disciple, Revan, in the Trayus Academy. Revan discovered this Academy in 3963 BBY therefore the trial of Arren Kae takes place, at the earliest, in 3963 BBY.

Can it take place later? In 3962 BBY or 3961 BBY BBY?

No, because the trial is triggered by the discovery that Arren Kae has a girl of 10 at the time of trial.

If the trial takes place in 3963 BBY, Brianna is 22 during KOTOR 2.
If the trial takes place in 3962 BBY, Brianna is 21 during KOTOR 2.
If the trial takes place in 3961 BBY, Brianna is 20 during KOTOR 2.

As we can not rejuvenate Brianna below 22 years, we retain a trial date the earliest possible, either 3963 BBY, and so, Brianna's age is 22 during KOTOR 2.

[Darth Avlectus]

Holy crap, something official. I guess there we have it, Kreia is at least 50 something...I'd still say late 60's to early 70s. Given Count Dooku was so vital and supposedly about that age range, it's hardly a stretch to say Kreia was at least as vital.

Brianna...Since she does not join a female Exile and it is canon that exile is female...I'm not so sure what bearing of significance she has...if any.
Atton has a youthful stoicism, so I'd agree there.
Visas...I dunno. Disciple, maybe maybe not, though he is mature for his age so he seems older than he actually is.
Mandalore 63? Hmm. I'd say more mid 50's at oldest.

Mira...ok I'll go for that, certainly has the attitude in her portrayal.

[TTLan]

Originally Posted by GTA:SWcity

Brianna...Since she does not join a female Exile and it is canon that exile is female...I'm not so sure what bearing of significance she has...if any.

Leland Chee has not decided precisely on this case. Some sources considered official ("The Essential Guide to the Force" and "Knights of the Republic Campaign Guide"), suggest that the Brianna character would be canonical (and thus, all that said this character is also canonical, especially about her mother, Arren Kae).

In "Holocron continuity database questions", Leland Chee does not close the door

Question
Is it at all possible that Brianna's adventures with her could still be canon?

Leland Chee
Maybe.

It is relatively important because if she is 10 at the time of the trial and 25 during Kotor 2, it puts the trial of Arren Kae in 3966 BBY, which is impossible since Revan is just beginning to recruit in 3964 BBY (canon from comics "Knights of the Old Republic" - Volume 1) and did not begin to travel.

The discovery of the birth of Brianna is not the subject of the trial, it's the trigger.

The subject of the trial is the challenge of revan and all the others against the High Council. The trial is therefore necessarily after 3964 BBY.

TTLan

[birthdaycake13]

the list sounds good the only differences in my list are:

Zaalbar: 30

juhani: 22

visas: 29

[A mirror]

Originally Posted by GTA:SWcity

^^^So Hal, what's a young buck like you doing in a thread like this where creepy old people hang out.

Who you calling old?