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Old 01-04-2010, 09:57 PM   #41
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Palpatine is definitely the most powerful Sith ever. How many Sith can generate a wormhole that destroys stuff? I'd put Bane as a close second.


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Old 01-06-2010, 10:45 AM   #42
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they dont have to be powerful to generate a worm hole or a force storm for that matter... merely takes alot of concentration... Darth Bane actually done the thing ur talkin about because him holding his sith lightning was so powerful, and that was only a few hours of learning how to do it "Darth Bane- Path of Destruction"... Darth Vader was more powerful then sidious when he had his full body, but the lost of limbs shortend his potential... Dont get me wrong, Sidious is powerful n pretty badass in episode 3, but the most powerful wouldnt be true. well, in my opinion anyway
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Old 01-09-2010, 12:23 AM   #43
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how about for the most powerful sith, the 1st of the Jedi, who rebelled against there own masters training, an who were expelled from the order, originally known as the Dark Jedi according to canon, because without them, there would be No Sith Order at all or there code.


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Old 01-09-2010, 03:08 PM   #44
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well that just strate up wouldn't make sense... you see, the very first dark jedi wouldnt know that much about the darkside because he would have just STARTED studying it
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Old 04-14-2010, 08:23 AM   #45
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Old 05-08-2010, 07:41 PM   #46
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Why wasn't maul on it???
I agree with that question but i already know the answer...too many pple say how easily he was defeated in the first movie and when u think about him u think about Sidious then people will go with him.
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Old 05-18-2010, 05:25 PM   #47
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The Strongest Sith Ever is Sidious

The strongest Sith ever was Palpatine or Sidious. It took tremendous ability to pull off what he did and no other Sith could have done it. He had access to all the Sith Holocrons and the Galaxy. Not only that, who basis this on video games. I mean what you see is what you get. Video games are made to be challenging not canon. Sure those other Sith dudes were bad asses but Palpatine restored the Sith and had pure foresight, which means He would and could out smart any of those other Sith Lords. Could he beat them all in a fight, no, but he would be smart enough to stop his death and cause theres. He would be the last man Standing. Who knows how fast and loud he was when he was young. I love how he is all messed up in Return of the Jedi. You can tell he needs some serious face time with A phyciatrist. At that point I think he was hanging on by his teeth to his sanity.
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Old 09-20-2010, 02:53 AM   #48
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Old 10-02-2010, 08:07 PM   #49
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Well, if he stick to the cannon, Sidious is the most powerful sith ever, is George who said it... but when you see some other sith *hum hum... Darth Nihilus* and then you see palpy got defeated by vador, who just throw him bare hands to a hole, and it's hard to believe...

The thing is that in the EU, ²there are power overpowered given to some characters. Like Nihilus... or Sion.


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Old 10-03-2010, 05:13 AM   #50
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Old 11-30-2010, 12:39 AM   #51
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Everyone knows that Palps is the greatest. He engineered the greatest conspiracy of all time, hiding it for years while walking among the Jedi and even hiding it from his own students. He played with entire systems like pawns on a chess board, only unlike the other Lords on the list, he was playing both sides of the board. He also defeated numerous opponents in combat including Yoda and Mace Windu, the greatest duelist of the time, using trickery in the latter case. He had engineered the perfect plan in RotJ right up until it backfired at the end. He was only defeated eventually by the Chosen One, who was already destined to defeat him anyway. That's not a very bad record at all. (Then again, he was also defeated by Ewoks, but who saw that coming?) Besides, the EU exaggerates everything so that you will buy it.

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Old 12-15-2010, 12:14 AM   #52
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I THINK IT WAS NAGA SADOW

In response to all of the answers:
SIDEOUS: He was cunning but Kreia (Traya) also orchestrated a near perfect betrayal that would propel her to leadership similar to Sideous'. Yes even though Sideous succeeded, I think Traya was more powerful. After all, she knew that a true sith rules the galaxy by consuming it in the dark side, not just controlling it all and being evil.

REVAN: Yes, I admit I am a Revan fan boy, but Revan 1: Turned back to the light side to defeat the ancient sith empire, 2: was powerful, genius, and strategic, but was never in any complete control of any large portion of the galaxy for a time, and 3: Became a sith to protect the republic from the ancient sith empire, not to gain power or any other would be goals of the sith. Also, he was trained by Traya, who I mentioned above as being more powerful.

TYRANUS: Tyranus was wise, yes, but what he did could be acomplished by anyone with political knowledge. Plus, he was always an apprentice, never a master.

NIHILUS: I can see how he would be up there. He consumed people just by being near them and wiped out Kataar. But then again, He was relatively easy to beat in Kotor 2 (for me) and was decieved by Traya rather foolishly. He was also never in any huge position of power... at all really.


MY ANSWER: I think Naga Sadow, Ajunta Pall, or Tulak Horde (did I spell that wrong?) would be the most powerful. Remember, Kreia says "If you faced one of the ancient sith in a duel, you would learn that we are like children with toys compared to the prowess of the old masters". Naga Sadow lead the ancient sith empire to control the galaxy and possessed tremendous force powers. Ajunta Pall was known for having intense force power, and Tulak Horde was known for being the best lightsaber dualist of all sith.
So, in final conclusion, I would rank the sith as:
1: Naga Sadow
2: Ajunta Pall
3: Tulak Horde
4: Traya
5: Sideous
6: Revan

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Old 12-15-2010, 01:04 AM   #53
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Hmm...I'm surprised Traya hasn't cropped up. She was more deceitful and betraying than Sidious, in my opinion. In terms of Sith morals, it'd be her over sidious. In terms of wisdom, it would be revan over tyranus, and in terms of lightsaber combat...Malak. Or maybe Darth Vader. that's a toss-up.


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Old 12-23-2010, 02:37 PM   #54
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Sidious was good, but what about the one that trained him? The one that taught him everything, except physical immortality? Darth Plagueis? So powerful he could manipulate the Midi-chlorians themselves? What other Sith can say this?
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Old 12-25-2010, 11:49 AM   #55
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Old 12-27-2010, 03:13 AM   #56
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Ah so those pesky midi-chlorians are back to wreak some more havoc. There are large numbers of Star Wars fans who like to pretend that they were never introduced. But since they are canon, my response to the Plagueis comment would be this: 1. He was stupid enough to let his guard down (but so did Sideous) and 2. We (or at least I) really don't know enough about him to comment. Proficiency in the force is really only half the battle.
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Old 12-27-2010, 12:49 PM   #57
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Old 12-29-2010, 02:17 PM   #58
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then what is the other half of the battle? The force is what gives the Sith thier power. Their anger, hatred, and greed determine how they use that power. To be the most powerful Sith, they need to be so skilled that they can do as they please. Darth PLagueis was the most skilled Sith ever known. There might be someone who could do more then he, but they kept themselves hidden, and obviously broke "The Rule Of Two"

I am basically going by assumptions about Darth Plagueis. The world will be so much better once the Plagueis book comes out in 2012. Can't wait to know his story.
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Old 12-30-2010, 01:43 AM   #59
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The other half of the battle (maybe even more than half) is a combination of intelligence, charisma, boldness, and skill with a lightsaber. I think we can agree, until that book comes out, that Sidious far outranks his mentor in all of these categories.
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Old 12-31-2010, 01:25 PM   #60
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What about Darth Bane, he had the 'intelligence' to know that any more than 2 Sith at one time would cause a civil war within the Sith empire, he had the 'skill with a lightsaber' to destroy the Brotherhood of Darkness and to have the focus of the Sith moving forward to a Sith Ruled Galaxy, he had the 'boldness' to destroy all known sith up to that point. In one swift motion, he destroyed everything the Sith had, so he could create it as he say as right. Besides his obvious skill with the force, and his legacy that still lives on through any cannon to date, through the "Rule of Two".

Before i go too far, how about Darth Talon, wow. I'm switching my vote.

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Old 01-03-2011, 09:46 PM   #61
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What about Darth Bane, he had the 'intelligence' to know that any more than 2 Sith at one time would cause a civil war within the Sith empire, he had the 'skill with a lightsaber' to destroy the Brotherhood of Darkness and to have the focus of the Sith moving forward to a Sith Ruled Galaxy, he had the 'boldness' to destroy all known sith up to that point. In one swift motion, he destroyed everything the Sith had, so he could create it as he say as right. Besides his obvious skill with the force, and his legacy that still lives on through any cannon to date, through the "Rule of Two".

Before i go too far, how about Darth Talon, wow. I'm switching my vote.
Darth Bane pales in intelligence compared to Darth Revan.

A) He didn't think of the thought bomb, he learned it from Revan's Sith Holocron.
B) I am directly quoting Darth Revan's holocron avatar talking to Bane: "That is why each Master must have only one student.", saying that Bane did not make up the Rule of Two. (So about SmootheOperator's comment that 'he (Bane) had the 'intelligence' to know that any more than 2 Sith at one time would cause a civil war within the Sith empire', actually, Revan was the first to think of this, not Bane.)

So, if I was able to vote, my vote would go to Revan. If Revan was not available, I would then vote for Traya because of her master of the force.
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Old 01-04-2011, 08:08 AM   #62
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my mistake, i haven't really gone too far into the expanded universe of other Sith, i have more been into the clone/mercenery stories so far.

It just kills me that so many people are behind Sidious. damn him.

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Old 01-06-2011, 02:40 AM   #63
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It just kills me that so many people are behind Sidious. damn him.
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Old 01-06-2011, 09:23 AM   #64
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ha ha ha, i really should get all my thoughts together before i post something, but what about Darth Plagueis being a Muun? Muuns ran the Banking Clan, and were known for their attention to detail, and their manipulation of the universe around them mostly through finances. What better way to manipulate others thean through their wallets? The controlled the finances of the entire galaxy, plus other smaller galaxies. There has to be something to be said about a Sith that already comes from a species that already has the entire universe by the short hairs.
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Let's see: evil dictator vs. evil capitalist. If the galaxy were America, then you might have something. I think I'm going to have to stick with evil dictator.
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Darth Sidious was the most powerful Dark Lord of the Sith in the history of the Sith Order—something he himself firmly believed and he was the only Sith Lord in a thousand years to achieve the ultimate goal of the Sith: to eradicate the Jedi Order and bring the galaxy under the rule of the Sith.
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He may have "eradicated" the Jedi order (only for a short time, until Luke rebuilt it), he did so only because he was the emperor of the known galaxy. Without the vast army of the republic, he would not have been able to get close. If we are talking about a Sith Lord on his own, palpatine cannot hold a lightsaber to Darth Plagueis. "He could manipulate the midi-chlorians themselves, to create . . . life" He never told anyone this secret, and took it to his grave. No one since has been able to do that, not even palpatine. I am still backing my entire weight behind Plagueis, and i am a big guy


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If we are talking about a Sith Lord on his own, palpatine cannot hold a lightsaber to Darth Plagueis.
"Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself." It would be even more ironic if Palps actually used a lightsaber.
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plagueis was killed in his sleep, a conscious plagueis against palpatine would be no contest. There is no doubt in my mind.


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Sidious was so good in combat that only four individuals have ever matched him. He fought Yoda to a draw that Yoda chose to retreat from. He defeated Mace Windu (sometimes claimed as the greatest swordsman of all time) and Galen Marek using trickery. His only true loss was to Luke Skywalker after his resurrection in the EU (I don't accept his resurrection and I'm not sure that Lucas does either because I think it ruins the whole idea of the "Chosen One" bringing balance to the Force. But he did also defeat Luke in another duel).

Either way I think that based on the limited information I have, Emperor Palpatine is easily the best duelist (not swordsman) ever.
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the entire idea of Luke being the "Chosen One" and balance within the force is ridiculous. There was only peace in the galaxy for a short time, the Yuuzhan Vong invaded the galaxy shortly afterward, and there will continue to be a period of peace while the Sith reorganize and regroup, or some other army prepares, and the galaxy will be at war and oppressed once again. In my little view of the world, "the chosen one" is bull.

This is kind of me going in blind again, but Sidius had to learn light saber combat from someone, Plagueis was his teacher, i think it is safe to assume that Plagueis taught him how to wield a light saber skillfully.


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You are not basing your estimation of Plagueis' abilities on anything that we see or hear in any canon information. We have several examples where we see Palpatine's mastery in combat first-hand, in Revenge of the Sith and Dark Empire and it is absurd to lable the idea of Palpatine surpassing his master as impossible. Furthermore, Plagueis' ability to create life has never in fact been proven, and its usefulness is debatable (unlike Palpatine's clone resurrection plan, for example). And what reason do we have to believe that everything Palpatine knows was taught to him? He spent many years researching various Force-wielding Orders.

Also, it is unfair for you to downplay Palpatine's destruction of the Jedi Order simply on the basis of the fact that he required control over the Republic and its army to do it. I challenge you to name a Sith Lord who ever has or ever could have destroyed the Jedi Order without the use of an army. It is simply impossible.


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Well by "Chosen One" I mean Anakin Skywalker. I guess I'm a purist. When people talk about Sidious's clone resurrection I stick my thumbs in my ears and hum to myself. In the words of Lucas himself, "The Star Wars story is really the tragedy of Darth Vader. That is the story. Once Vader dies, he doesn't come back to life, the Emperor doesn't get cloned and Luke doesn't get married..." Obviously he's just expressing his personal feelings here.

For the sake of argument, though, we can accept the EU in this discussion. Heck, most of the Sith lords in this poll would be off-limits if we only went by what Lucas says, and this is the EU forum. So just disregard my whole "Chosen One" rant.

Also according to Lucas, Darth Vader is in fact more powerful than Darth Sidious. I would be willing to accept that at face value if his track record weren't so weak. You can have all kinds of ability, but if you don't use it, it doesn't count. That's one reason why I wouldn't consider Plagueis to be the greatest.

P.S. Since we're talking about Vader, have you heard the theory that Plagueis created the virgin birth of Anakin Skywalker? There's absolutely no proof, of course. I personally think it's ridiculous.

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Well by "Chosen One" I mean Anakin Skywalker. I guess I'm a purist. When people talk about Sidious's clone resurrection I stick my thumbs in my ears and hum to myself. In the words of Lucas himself, "The Star Wars story is really the tragedy of Darth Vader. That is the story. Once Vader dies, he doesn't come back to life, the Emperor doesn't get cloned and Luke doesn't get married..." Obviously he's just expressing his personal feelings here.

Also according to Lucas, Darth Vader is in fact more powerful than Darth Sidious. I would be willing to accept that at face value if his track record weren't so weak. You can have all kinds of ability, but if you don't use it, it doesn't count. That's one reason why I wouldn't consider Plagueis to be the greatest.

P.S. Since we're talking about Vader, have you heard the theory that Plagueis created the virgin birth of Anakin Skywalker? There's absolutely no proof, of course. I personally think it's ridiculous.
The idea of palpatine cloning the body, and when one dies, he moves his "soul" into another body is rediculous, i completely agree with Klw and i laugh at the person who brings it up as fact. I also laugh at the person who tells me Luke was seduced by the darkside, by palpatine, after the movie saga was finished.

If we are going to the full extent of the expanded universe, Galen Marek defeated both Vader (in both games) and Palpatine (in the first).

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You are not basing your estimation of Plagueis' abilities on anything that we see or hear in any canon information. We have several examples where we see Palpatine's mastery in combat first-hand, in Revenge of the Sith and Dark Empire and it is absurd to lable the idea of Palpatine surpassing his master as impossible. Furthermore, Plagueis' ability to create life has never in fact been proven, and its usefulness is debatable (unlike Palpatine's clone resurrection plan, for example). And what reason do we have to believe that everything Palpatine knows was taught to him? He spent many years researching various Force-wielding Orders.

Also, it is unfair for you to downplay Palpatine's destruction of the Jedi Order simply on the basis of the fact that he required control over the Republic and its army to do it. I challenge you to name a Sith Lord who ever has or ever could have destroyed the Jedi Order without the use of an army. It is simply impossible.
you cannot say that the apprentice (palpatine) didn't learn things from the master (plagueis). are Anakin's lightsaber skills comparable to Obi Wan's? Of course! Are Dooku's lightsaber dueling skills comparable to Yoda? Definately!!! To say Palpatine did not learn lightsaber skills from plagueis is absurd. Darth Bane's apprentice Zannah and her new apprentice Cognus, used Bane's Sith Order to destroy the Jedi Order, using only Sith, not a civilian/conscript army. i therefore put darth bane's legacy ahead of palpatine in the accomplishments category.


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Darth Sidious, easy. He commanded the most power of all Sith, the entire Empire, which was at its widest at the time of Episode III. He had an essentially limitless army of clones, which was further augmented by recruitment, of course. A planet-destroying space station, some of the most immense ships in galactic history and he got close to building _another_ planet-destroying space station, an even bigger one, at that.

By comparison, Vader was by and large a lackey. Bane and Kun never really got round to commanding that much power, and Revan, while close, wasn't too successful as a Sith.


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If we are going to the full extent of the expanded universe, Galen Marek defeated both Vader (in both games) and Palpatine (in the first).
Actually Palpy played Starkiller for a fool and popped back up as soon as he turned his back. Then he killed him. That's not what I like to call getting defeated, although he did fail in his objective to turn Marek.

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To say Palpatine did not learn lightsaber skills from plagueis is absurd.
Yes but that doesn't mean that he couldn't have surpassed Plagueis in ability later on or that he couldn't have taught himself more skills.

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Darth Bane's apprentice Zannah and her new apprentice Cognus, used Bane's Sith Order to destroy the Jedi Order, using only Sith, not a civilian/conscript army. i therefore put darth bane's legacy ahead of palpatine in the accomplishments category.
Order 66 was the crowning achievement of all Sith history. Sidious destroyed the Jedi Order with mere words. He didn't even have to lift his lightsaber. That's why the Great Jedi Purge is better than the First Jedi Purge. It's the difference between slowly breaking down an enemy army until it's gone and wiping out all of its leaders in one night. Not to mention that Sidious did this all by himself - creating the army, infiltrating the government, moving the pieces into checkmate all while in disguise. The first Jedi purge was orchestrated by three Sith Lords using an army left over from another Sith lord.
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Old 05-26-2011, 09:33 AM   #77
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The idea of palpatine cloning the body, and when one dies, he moves his "soul" into another body is rediculous, i completely agree with Klw and i laugh at the person who brings it up as fact. I also laugh at the person who tells me Luke was seduced by the darkside, by palpatine, after the movie saga was finished.
I don't like Dark Empire either (and I don't like being laughed at for something not my fault), but we have to take it into account as canon unless the parameters of the discussion say otherwise. If everyone is entirely free to pick and choose what sources they will accept and ignore the rest, then the entire discussion is robbed of its last iota of usefulness. It is the same as if I were to dismiss your entire argument simply because I don't accept the Darth Bane Trilogy as canon. That is true "ridiculous".

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If we are going to the full extent of the expanded universe, Galen Marek defeated both Vader (in both games) and Palpatine (in the first).
Vader, I can understand - if Luke, barely trained in RotJ and using the dark side can defeat Vader, then so could a Sith with as much power and as many years of training as Starkiller (and there is no reason to believe either victories were easy ones for him). Also, Palpatine threw the fight.

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you cannot say that the apprentice (palpatine) didn't learn things from the master (plagueis). are Anakin's lightsaber skills comparable to Obi Wan's? Of course! Are Dooku's lightsaber dueling skills comparable to Yoda? Definately!!! To say Palpatine did not learn lightsaber skills from plagueis is absurd
Of course Palpatine learned from Plagueis, but again, that in no way decreases the likelihood of him surpassing his master. Besides, why are we talking only about skills with the lightsaber?

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Darth Bane's apprentice Zannah and her new apprentice Cognus, used Bane's Sith Order to destroy the Jedi Order, using only Sith, not a civilian/conscript army. i therefore put darth bane's legacy ahead of palpatine in the accomplishments category.
Balderdash. Zannah and Cognus didn't do jack in destroying the Jedi Order, and Bane did nothing except establish the Rule of Two. Besides, if we're going to ramble about how a person's "legacy" counts as an achievement toward that person, then Palpatine is arguably the peak of Bane's legacy.


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i think darth bane was the most powerful out of those. he may not have been teh best with his force skills but he was a genius
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Besides, why are we talking only about skills with the lightsaber?
Because that is the particular "greatness factor" that we have been discussing lately.
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I don't like Dark Empire either (and I don't like being laughed at for something not my fault), but we have to take it into account as canon unless the parameters of the discussion say otherwise. If everyone is entirely free to pick and choose what sources they will accept and ignore the rest, then the entire discussion is robbed of its last iota of usefulness. It is the same as if I were to dismiss your entire argument simply because I don't accept the Darth Bane Trilogy as canon. That is true "ridiculous".
I am not blaming anyone for the ridiculous pieces of the expanded universe. I see Palpatine as the best there is in a very short time span, between the birth of Anakin Skywalker and the death of Darth Vader. In a universe that spans the old republic and beyond the New Jedi order, you can't seriously be saying the a sith lord that only engaged in combat once, when he was revealed as the Sith Lord, failed at hunting down the jedi, and only had control over the galaxy for a measly 17 years, is the most powerful sith lord ever? Better sith lords have rule for longer and accomplished more.He may have been the best at the time, but in the entire history of the galaxy, i say nay.

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Of course Palpatine learned from Plagueis, but again, that in no way decreases the likelihood of him surpassing his master. Besides, why are we talking only about skills with the lightsaber?

Also saying that Plagueis could not compete with Palpatine is asinine. Saying the apprentice can't be beaten by his former master is ridiculous.

Because i tried the force route, and excuses were made why it shouldn't be based on force power alone. If it were based on force power, Plagueis would be the victor, no contest. Lightsaber combat, palpatine may be on top, but how much of a Sith Lord's power comes from his lightsaber? How much of a Jedi's power comes from their lightsabers? not a whole lot. If all they did was swing their lightsaber around, then it might count for more, but it doesn't.

Many questions will be answered when the Plagueis book comes out, but a Sith Lord that has the power to manipulate the very essence of the force and mold it as he saw fit, the Sith Lord that created a "Chosen One" by using the force alone deserves more than a book. His exploits should be explored more in depth. Series maybe? But it is worth knowing


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