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Old 08-29-2012, 04:25 PM   #921
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Really? I know you've mentioned her questionable decisions in the past... What makes her certifiable this time around?
Strapping my young nephew in his car seat, downing a bunch of booze, then driving off, sideswiping another car, and getting arrested. During this process she somehow also managed to destroy the garage door, and lock my nephew in the car for good measure. I knew her idiocy knew no bounds, but I actually kind of thought it did have some bounds when it came to putting her own son in danger. Frankly, I didn't even think she would drink and drive with just herself in the car. She's lucky no one actually got hurt during this.
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Old 08-30-2012, 10:42 AM   #922
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damn. what is booze?


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Old 08-30-2012, 11:12 AM   #923
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Sounds like she really needs help!

I hope you and the family are pushing her to get some serious counciling and treatment!

That's really terrible!


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Old 08-30-2012, 11:44 AM   #924
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Can you get counseling and treatment for being a moron?

Seriously, if she were an alcoholic, this would be understandable. Not excusable, of course, but at least it would make some kind of sense. But this is not that. This is her and her lifelong predilection for being unwilling to think more than three seconds into the future and connect some very simple dots.

It's why she nearly didn't graduate high school, despite being more than capable of doing well. It's why she has failed at every job she has ever had. It's why she has dated a string of losers. It's why she is a single mother. It's why she accidentally bought a car once. It's why at nearly 30 years old she is still not supporting herself.

And it's why, despite being shaken up by the consequences she will have to face because of this, in no time she will have completely forgotten this lesson and be back to her old self.
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Old 08-30-2012, 12:18 PM   #925
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counseling won't help anything, just pray alot. prayer has gotten me out of alot of stupid **** i manage to get myself into.


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Old 08-30-2012, 12:20 PM   #926
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well that sucks keyan.

as for me, I'm almost done wtih my dwi mess...
I didnt hurt anyone if anyone's thinkin

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Old 08-30-2012, 02:10 PM   #929
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Can you get counseling and treatment for being a moron?

Seriously, if she were an alcoholic, this would be understandable. Not excusable, of course, but at least it would make some kind of sense. But this is not that. This is her and her lifelong predilection for being unwilling to think more than three seconds into the future and connect some very simple dots.

It's why she nearly didn't graduate high school, despite being more than capable of doing well. It's why she has failed at every job she has ever had. It's why she has dated a string of losers. It's why she is a single mother. It's why she accidentally bought a car once. It's why at nearly 30 years old she is still not supporting herself.

And it's why, despite being shaken up by the consequences she will have to face because of this, in no time she will have completely forgotten this lesson and be back to her old self.
I dunno... It could be recklessness... or some undiagnosed condition. I'd attempt to look for answers before throwing hands up.

I've known a couple of people like that... Smart, but with ZERO common sense, who make stupid, self-destructive judgements, and are continually wrecking up their own lives. Some of them were helped by counseling and meds... some weren't. Most didn't look into it, and are still making a shambles of their existence... those that survived, anyway.

I'd personally want to see if there's some underlying psychological or chemical imbalance that could be fixed before throwing in the towel on a family member... no matter how frustrated they had made me over the years.


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Old 08-30-2012, 02:19 PM   #930
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She's had 15 years of counseling and meds. Hasn't done a thing. Sometimes there's just no condition to blame except laziness and irresponsibility.
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sounds a little bit like both of my exes.


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Old 08-30-2012, 04:35 PM   #932
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I like military transport aviation, i just like it! Associated flight on Russian MTA IL-76 for free, to fly from Yekaterinburg to Bryansk... but with "special adventure" that's never can seen in civilian air companies. Everything was as same as 12 years ago when i had my conscription service finished... some traditions in Russian MTA never changes. When everybody are on board, plane's commander must definitely go through fuselage breathing on people with fume (fake actually, but you never can be sure) and greet passengers with words like "Hi, mortals! It will be f****n nice loop!". It's always funny to see civilian noobs starts silent panic.

Keyan Farlander, didn't you thought it's exactly because of meds and other "mind-changing" chemistry? I heard in the United States every doctor always hurry to "catch" you on antidepressants and other s**t that will actually make you weak minded hysteric, but never make better... But, oh, how can i know...


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Meds can help some people, do nothing for others, and make a few worse. It's not something you can know before it's tried.

I've seen several people REALLY change their self-destructive, reckless ways after treatment. I've seen a few not respond at all.

But if someone is already in a headlong death-spiral of anti-social behavior before they even get any treatment and counseling, it's hard to imagine how someone professional paying attention to them and looking for ways to pull them out is a negative thing. Worst case scenario is that it doesn't help at all and the destructive feedback loop continues. In which case, nothing has changed...


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Old 08-30-2012, 05:02 PM   #934
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Worst case scenario is that it doesn't help at all and the destructive feedback loop continues. In which case, nothing has changed...
I think the worst case is that it gives the person more excuses to continue their behavior and drugs that make things worse.
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my last ex was on lithium...i tried it for kicks one day, all it did was make me completely useless. she weened herself off of all the meds she was on, lost like 30 pounds (and she looked pretty hot before that) from 140 to like 113 within a year. she acted pretty insane when she went off of them for a few weeks but then it just became routine...everything is supposed to be about her, for her, she's a prophet of God, all this other bull****. glad and sad that it's over. just wish i could get a girl that isn't ****ing insane. no psych majors, no divorcees, and no prescription medication required!!! but i think that is quite impossible to find, i just can't seem to find any attractive single girls that share my interests and sense of humor, and i will not settle for less than attractive.


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I think the worst case is that it gives the person more excuses to continue their behavior and drugs that make things worse.
Well... For a person that has no real interest in getting better... Sure.

I was thinking about people who are actively trying to stop the cycle and take control of their lives... Not look for excuses to continue it. If you knew the drugs weren't helping or actually making things worse but you genuinely wanted to change the situation, you'd stop that treatment and look for alternatives.


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edlib, well, looks like from my side it was just typical Russian way of thinking. Russians will never believe an antidepressant can be more effective than psychological training (no, not that stupid class lessons) and normal way of life. Russians just laughs on commercials where pills for weight loss being advertised. You know, people here treat such of chemistry like a way to cheat them, like alcohol or drugs, common Russian will never believe in "eat a pill and life would get better". Russian way of thinking is "you get nothing without hard work, pain and suffer". Feel yourself down, nervous, in apathy, on edge of tantrum? Nice, go run 3-4 kilometers, go swim in pool, go to gym. And even more... try to analyze your situation and understand what exactly makes you uncomfortable. Same thing is about of loosing weight - you can never loose it just eating pills. If depression of excess of weight caused by chemical imbalance, then Russians believe those specifics of chemical imbalance caused by wrong way of life, wrong food, and hard efforts and work on your own can change it. Starting of eating pills without VERY serious reason mean show everyone you are weak... and stupid. Russians always being hardly shocked when see how many antidepressants and other such of meds being bought in the USA. Actually some of Russians even thinks it is some kind of conspiracy, aimed on genocide of Americans, lol.

Your own physical and mental efforts is primary. Efforts of specialist that guides your own efforts (often just kicking you to don't let you stop running) is secondary. And only then, maybe, pills and other ways of external stabilization... but look for any way and use any chance to avoid using of them. Something like that... you maybe won't agree with it.

Rogue15, what is lithium? Looks like you does not mean just chemical element...


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lithium is a psychotic drug. also my ex was on intuniv i didnt try that one but it is to help focus. of course these drugs have insane side effects. lithium makes you utterly useless and causes weight gain due to water retention (water weight) which explains how she lost 30 pounds without really dieting cause her metabolism is amazing. lol a shame she's too self-absorbed in herself and ways. did i also mention she was a stripper for 6 years so yeah lots of psychological issues with that that im glad i dont gotta deal with anymore.


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Old 08-31-2012, 10:13 AM   #939
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There are many Americans that think that way as well... especially where I live in the Northeast, where the "Puritan" ethic is surprisingly still in effect. Which is why I've seen people suffer their entire lives with the same problems... or perhaps trying to fix it themselves with diet and exercise... and still going through the same issues and being miserable and making others miserable as well.

My girlfriend has a relative who thinks she can cure all her issues herself and is making things worse for herself and the rest of us trying to deal with something that most likely could easily be balanced out with meds and/or counseling... but she refuses all help, thinking it will somehow make things worse if she did.

But many are starting to see that many mental illnesses are just as real and treatable as, say, cancer.


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Old 08-31-2012, 03:10 PM   #941
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the pharma industry like Pfizer doesn't care about curing people. Just treating them. They start with a "miracle drug" that cures something, uses their marketing arm to make doctors prescribe it, and people ask their doctors for it. Then a few years later when it is found out the side effects of the drugs outweigh the benefit they have 3 more drugs lined up for you to try.

People in the United states like pills because they take a pill and don't have to change their life or do anything different. they don't want to think that THEY have a problem


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yeah they make you take more pills to counter the sideffects then you take pills to counter the side effects of the side effects pills!!! aaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!! then there's the bullet, the ultimate cure-all. (not to be taken seriously!)


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Bullets work for Horses.

That is also one reason why there is no "Senior" Olympics. none of the Elderly competitors would be able to pass the drug tests


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thats ****ing shameful what they did to lance armstrong.


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Rogue15, thank you. You know, i'm surprised... after i read your post about lithium, i asked my friend who is medic about it. My friend said he knows about such of drug, but he was amazed to know anyone can use it in the USA without being placed under constant control of medics. He said "it's not more than perverted way of slow suicide to use it uncontrollably".

edlib, yes, i agree. As i understand, the most difficult in practice of psychologists and psychiatrist is to feel those spirit border when psychological disorder stops to be just disorder and became pathology, disease of mind. I suspect there is no of ideal way to diagnose it and more, there is no of ideal way to cure it. Of cause, many of diseases can't be cured without meds or even more... well... straight methods, especially such of diseases like cancer. But, anyway, in Russia here most of psychotic meds like antidepressants, potent sedatives and relaxing drugs are restricted to be sale without permission order of specialists. I don't know is it good or bad (damn weaklings cure their weak spots with vodka and became alcoholics), but most of Russians anyway ensured there's no need to abuse with chems right because of unpredictable side effects that always shows themselves in different forms. And, of cause, Russian philosophy, especially Russian Cosmism, the center-point philosophy of Russian Civilization has some of similarities with American Puritanism (especially in questions of consumption, while point of view on role of life in the Universe and role of God in life of people are absolutely different), so it also causes negative attitude to any drugs that changes mind.

Keyan Farlander, lol. Щheяe is youя Aмeяicaи base of иucleaя roкetz? Дon't pяeteиd to be clever, shoш it by your fiиgeя!


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@Snoll: she was prescribed it by her therapist. So it's not like just anybody could get it.


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Rogue15, oh, right, then i understood you wrongly. But, anyway, i don't think it changes my point of view seriously, i mostly agree with K_Kinnison. who said about pharma industry that invents new and new meds for money, not for real cure of people. Everything is good in right quantities, and when people stops to rely on their own strength, starting to rely only on meds... well, you know how to call it.

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went to lake scranton for my run..haven't ran in over a week, still hitting a good time. even got an indirect compliment. some chick said 'i wish i could run like that' yeahhh i'll be your paceman!! lol

then hit up italian fest for a slice of parmigiana chicken pizza....so damn good. now im drinking bottles of mt dew blasting music, nobodys home so i can crank it loud and enjoy.



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8:30 a.m. on a holiday morning... And I'm heading to work already. We start at 9. After working till 10:30 last night.

Laboring on Labor Day. Hmmm... What a concept. There should be a law.

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Congrats, Ike, though I thought you were already a dentist
Although we had our graduation ceremony in May, I did not complete my requirements until last week. I am now officially graduated and can accurately claim to be a doctor.
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