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Completely awesome, wanna see more of him! 16 20.25%
Cool character for TSL 36 45.57%
Ehh I still like Malak better 13 16.46%
Didn't really live up to expectations 12 15.19%
Worst character in the game! 2 2.53%
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Old 03-03-2007, 05:22 PM   #41
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Old 03-03-2007, 06:24 PM   #42
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That's...something I quite frankly don't want to think about. But given the reaction of the other characters it was evident she was used as bait.
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Old 09-01-2012, 04:18 PM   #43
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Nihilus while interesting in concept. For me, was never really built on. Nihilus was built up to be this monstrous planet eating master who was the biggest threat which the galaxy could face, especially without a real Jedi order to fight back.

However, in the actual game, Nihilus was just some bloke on a Ships bridge beating up a women. An example of this is in the cut content, when Sion and Nihilus face Kreia, Sion does all the work, has the speech and casts out Kreia. While Nihilus crosses his arms and doesn't even move. Sion is the true Sith, while Nihilus is just a plot point to force you to rebuild the order, OR if you're evil, gain enough power to stop him.

Sion is definitely the main threat, ousting his Master and taking her power, sneaking onto a republic ship and killing every single man on it, so that he could travel through hyperspace to a mining facility in pursuit of the last Jedi. Them two acts, come across to me as being a bad ass. A bad ass hell bent on kicking and raping my anal vicinity. And that, is why I love Sion.
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Old 09-01-2012, 08:27 PM   #44
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An example of this is in the cut content, when Sion and Nihilus face Kreia, Sion does all the work, has the speech and casts out Kreia. While Nihilus crosses his arms and doesn't even move.
That wasn't cut, and it's Nihilus that cuts Kreia off from the Force. In cut content, Sion tells Nihilus "You did not kill her as you assumed." Then Nihilus proceeds to come as close to killing him as anyone could.

I like Sion. He's an interesting character concept with complicated motives. But Nihilus is way out of his league. The only thing he has going for him is the whole not dying thing, which is rather passive for a Sith.

Also, 5 and a half years... yikes.


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Old 09-01-2012, 08:54 PM   #45
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no kidding. Back to Kotor Fan Media for me.
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Old 09-02-2012, 12:48 AM   #46
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I think he's much better than Malak.

His voice is TONS better, he has a better face and skin, has a totally better personality, and could NEVER be redeemed like Malak could.

Also, I REALLY didn't like Malak. His voice was annoying, *SO WAS HIS LAUGH*, and and faceplate was a real turnoff (not in g*y terms).

What I really like about Sion is that he is the definition of a True Sith.

He is completely cold as ruthless, stops at nothing to achieve his goals, and can never be redeemed, only defeated. I think inability for Sion to be redeemed makes him a badass.
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Old 09-02-2012, 10:54 AM   #47
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Malak is a good Sith Lord.
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Old 09-02-2012, 10:55 AM   #48
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Hey..you know how Sion can raise from the dead...*giggle* I've raised this post from the dead..!!!!

..I'll get my coat..


Darth Sion: After all that has happened, still you live. You are difficult to kill.

Kreia: For one as limited as you, perhaps. To have fallen so far and learned nothing, that is your failure.

Darth Sion: The failure is yours. No longer do your whispers crawl within my skull, no longer do we suffer beneath teachings that weaken us. And now you run in search of the Jedi... They are all dead, save one. And one broken Jedi cannot stop the darkness which is to come.
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Old 09-02-2012, 02:24 PM   #49
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Malak is a good Sith Lord.
He's a powerful sith, but he's not a good TRUE sith lord.
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Old 09-02-2012, 03:48 PM   #50
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He's a powerful sith, but he's not a good TRUE sith lord.
He is more a general. less of a political leader, I don't think Malak would handle the politics very well. There are different types of sith. Some are more suited in warfare than others.


Sion is more subterfuge and convert warfare than Malak. Malak is great at overt warfare. Under the leadership of the Kotor 2 Sith Lords, they used convert warfare due to their much smaller fighting force. They can't do sustain warfare like Malak did.

The only reason that Republic won the Jedi Civil War is due to Revan leading a small convert strike team into the star forge and killing Malak. Malak was beating the crap out of the Republic by forcing them to over reach themselves.

Malak has never been redeemed and died as a Dark Lord. He admitted that he fail and wonder if he could be redeemed but knew that his time was over anyways.
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Old 09-02-2012, 05:07 PM   #51
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Malak has never been redeemed and died as a Dark Lord. He admitted that he fail and wonder if he could be redeemed but knew that his time was over anyways.
You have the option to redeem Malak in KotOR 1 after the Star Forge showdown battle.

Also yeah, I guess Malak is a better general and is bettter at waging war.

But, in a one on one fight, I would put my money on Sion, due to the fact that he can rise from the dead infinite times and Malak wouldn't even bother trying to erode his will at all.

Sion would eventually kill him.
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Old 09-02-2012, 06:38 PM   #52
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What I really like about Sion is that he is the definition of a True Sith.
He's not, though. He's a slave to his own power. So is Nihilus.


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Old 09-02-2012, 07:09 PM   #53
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Old 09-02-2012, 07:20 PM   #54
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You have the option to redeem Malak in KotOR 1 after the Star Forge showdown battle.

Also yeah, I guess Malak is a better general and is bettter at waging war.

But, in a one on one fight, I would put my money on Sion, due to the fact that he can rise from the dead infinite times and Malak wouldn't even bother trying to erode his will at all.

Sion would eventually kill him.

there is an dialogue options there but he will refuse in the end. Revan, as much as I am a fan boy, can't persuaded everyone to join the light side of the force again like he did. If he did, he would become closer to a Mary Sue.

Revan is known for his high intelligence, strong willpower and strong charisma.

Howbeit they are on the high end but they are not on the insane end.

One of the reasons Sion is a slave to his power, JCarter. it is that he is a slave to his own hatred and his own hatred fuels his dark sided healing.

Sion:Hate

Nihilus: Nihilism

Kreia: Bitterness, Betrayal, Death wish, cynicism, hopelessness


Jedi Exile if played as a Dedicated LS Jedi, is Hope, Hope tempered by wisdom.


Hope and Wisdom defeats Hatred, Nihilism, Bitterness, pains of Betrayal, bitterness, death wish, cynicism and hopelessness.
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Old 09-02-2012, 07:36 PM   #55
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there is an dialogue options there but he will refuse in the end.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0RYOIVHQIY

Trust me, it's not a mod or anything of the sort.

I've done it myself.

You have to play the game in a certain way while darkside. I forget how, but it's possible.
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Old 09-02-2012, 08:33 PM   #56
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that is a mod.
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Old 09-02-2012, 11:25 PM   #57
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One of the reasons Sion is a slave to his power, JCarter. it is that he is a slave to his own hatred and his own hatred fuels his dark sided healing.
He's still a slave to it, though. Without the Force, he would die. And his Force powers are fueled by his pain and hate. He kills because if he didn't he'd die, not because he wants to. He's no different than Nihilus in that respect. The ancient Sith, on the other hand, weren't just after power for the sake of power.
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I wouldn't say Kreia is a slave to any of those things. She has a death wish, maybe, but that's only a symptom. She wants her beliefs to be proven true - that's her ultimate weakness. She's different than the others, though, in that she knows what her weakness is. But she can't give up the Force, and she can't kill the Force, so her only victory is in having the Exile kill her.


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Old 09-03-2012, 12:02 AM   #58
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that is a mod.
"He brings you truth, and you condemn it?" (Kreia, TSL)

*facepalm*

Please open your eyes.

I, myself, have done this. This isn't a mod.
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Old 09-03-2012, 01:03 AM   #59
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Quite overpowered personally, and a bit unrealistic even for the Star Wars universe (hell if I'm gonna go that route I may as well toss in Nihilis and Exile [only because of her 'Nihilisesque' power].

I much preferred villains like Malak, who were powerful, could potentially destroy life on a planet BUT realistically with the aid or a super weapon [which outside of the SW universe is not very realistic either].


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Old 09-03-2012, 11:48 AM   #60
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"He brings you truth, and you condemn it?" (Kreia, TSL)

*facepalm*

Please open your eyes.

I, myself, have done this. This isn't a mod.

I wanted to share this with everyone, although it's not really my speed (but I LOVE the other ending included with this mod). This MOD's a little strange. It is only for Female, DS players. Strange because saving Malak would be something that a light sided player would do, but you can't trigger it unless you're dark sided. Anyway, this is part of Kristy Kistic's "2 Altered Endings" mod. You can find it here: http://www.kristykistic.110mb.com/mods/k1/k1010.php
It's neat to see what happens, but I'll admit that I laugh HARD at Malak, and the way he stands all stiff at the celebration at the end. Also, strange, is that since he apparently takes Zalbaar's place at the end, Zalbaar ends up M.I.A. (even though I don't kill him when I go DS). This MOD, basically turns a dark sided play thru into a light sided one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0RYOIVHQIY 's description has the above


so it is a mod. and you have a modded game.
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Old 09-03-2012, 03:20 PM   #61
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I don't have a modded game for fear of messing up my KotOR game.

And I achieved this alternate ending on my XBOX, not pc. And I have no idea how to mod KotOR on consoles.

I didn't mod this game. It is fully possible to achieve the alternate ending on the console version.
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did you buy an used xbox?

http://knightsoftheoldrepublic.filef..._Endings;85802

Kristy Kistic is the modder of that ending. And you are a troll or uninformed or have a modded Xbox. Yes you can mod your xbox to accept PC mods.
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Old 09-03-2012, 04:32 PM   #63
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did you buy an used xbox?

http://knightsoftheoldrepublic.filef..._Endings;85802

Kristy Kistic is the modder of that ending. And you are a troll or uninformed or have a modded Xbox. Yes you can mod your xbox to accept PC mods.
1) My XBOX (old one, not 360, and it broke) was bought legally and new. Not used. I'm not uninformed.

2) Ok. Good to know I can mod by XBOX, but I can't anymore XD.

3) I am not a troll. I hate them A LOT (internet trolls).

4) As you can see, I am obviously a troll by coming to this thread and voicing my opinion of Sion and Malak. I didn't even know this argument would happen.

5) I don't know when this mod was created, but my old XBOX broke around '06. That would be a six-year-old mod at NEWEST.
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1) My XBOX (old one, not 360, and it broke) was bought legally and new. Not used. I'm not uninformed.

2) Ok. Good to know I can mod by XBOX, but I can't anymore XD.

3) I am not a troll. I hate them A LOT (internet trolls).

4) As you can see, I am obviously a troll by coming to this thread and voicing my opinion of Sion and Malak. I didn't even know this argument would happen.

5) I don't know when this mod was created, but my old XBOX broke around '06. That would be a six-year-old mod at NEWEST.

Well there are no files outside what link I showed you that showed you that it is a mod. There is no Legal or canon way for Malak to be redeemed thru the vanilla game.

With a good modder, there is several interesting mods ranging from Brotherhood of the Shadow to custom abilities to weapons and armor Mods.
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Old 09-03-2012, 04:43 PM   #65
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Well there are no files outside what link I showed you that showed you that it is a mod. There is no Legal or canon way for Malak to be redeemed thru the vanilla game.

With a good modder, there is several interesting mods ranging from Brotherhood of the Shadow to custom abilities to weapons and armor Mods.
Gah! Why did this argument even happen?! Sorry dude.

The point is, I believe Sion is a better Sith than Malak.
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I much preferred villains like Malak, who were powerful, could potentially destroy life on a planet BUT realistically with the aid or a super weapon [which outside of the SW universe is not very realistic either].
We're talking about who's the better Sith, not villain.

We all know that they were both pretty evil and loved killing.
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I remember when I was really young with no clue how to build my character... So here I was, with the crappiest character possible, fighting Sion, and it took forever to beat him. When I finally defeated him 1st round - with about 3 HP left - I went, "YES!" AND THEN.. he regened...

Anyways, I always thought of Sion as a harder Malak - unlike Malak, you couldn't stop Sion from regenerating. Not only that, but he hit harder. Storywise, to me, he was like Bane from TDKR.

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I remember when I was really young with no clue how to build my character... So here I was, with the crappiest character possible, fighting Sion, and it took forever to beat him. When I finally defeated him 1st round - with about 3 HP left - I went, "YES!" AND THEN.. he regened...

Anyways, I always thought of Sion as a harder Malak - unlike Malak, you couldn't stop Sion from regenerating. Not only that, but he hit harder. Storywise, to me, he was like Bane from TDKR.

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Haha yeah....I used to suck at KotOR as well .

Took me 4 months just to get off Taris because I didn't know how to get into Lower City.
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Old 09-03-2012, 05:44 PM   #69
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Gah! Why did this argument even happen?! Sorry dude.

The point is, I believe Sion is a better Sith than Malak.


I am just stating a fact. Sorry for being an ass.


Malak: Great Overt Warfare.

Sion: Great Covert Warfare.
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We're talking about who's the better Sith, not villain.

We all know that they were both pretty evil and loved killing.
Oh better Sith? Then in that case Revan, instead of just killing for the sake of killing he lured, trapped, and mind-raped Jedi and followers of the Jedi to his cause -- something only Malak only managed to half-ass. Sion's "me kill all flesh things" attitude leaves more to be desired.


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I am just stating a fact. Sorry for being an ass.
It's ok.
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