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Old 08-01-2002, 05:28 AM   #41
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Okay, my proposal:

No one knows where the Time Matrix is in the 'true' timeline. And besides changing history, the Time Matrix can get you anywhere or find anything. All you have to do is think it. Ultimate weapon.

Obviously, Ken'atra beat our characters to the Time Matrix.

But.

Our characters, if we find its location as well, can be used as wild cards; transplanted from the ended timeline to the normal one. Wild cards who know where the Time Matrix is.

Could be interesting...what do you guys think?

(Of course, this would limit how long-lasting this would be.)


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Old 08-01-2002, 04:38 PM   #42
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Sounds interesting. Maybe getting these characters to interact with the ones in Cantina 7...


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Old 08-03-2002, 01:25 AM   #43
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Well, it seems that we're almost ready to begin. Redwing and I are discussing the details of plot as we speak, and I may even be able to post the new RPG tonight.


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Old 08-03-2002, 03:33 AM   #44
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(or not. lol)

There's a problem...the twenty year gap between the beginning of the RPG and Ken'atra finding the Time Matrix and signaling the end of the timeline...we could do a time skip, but that would be kinda clumsy...and some of the characters *may* work better at their current young ages. Plus the chemistry of first meeting would be thrown out the window.

::think think::

Ideas?


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Old 08-03-2002, 07:45 PM   #45
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One way to skip time.

Before the Jump. Characters do whatever, find out about the time matrix, and begin their search. So where during their search the trail goes cold.

Time Jump.

20 years later, they finally find the trail again...


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As Odin says in the Hovamal:
"Praise no day 'til evening; no wife 'til on her pyre; no sword 'til tested;
no maid 'til bedded; no ice 'til crossed;
no ale 'til drunk."
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Old 08-05-2002, 12:15 AM   #46
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But then there's the age thing...

Idea 2: Perhaps on the way to find the Time Matrix, just after they find the location, they step through some sort of time warp/portal thing and emerge twenty years in the future? Then they'd really need the Time Matrix.

Idea 3: Perhaps they fall into a sort of stasis trap and Ken'atra sets them free inadverdently when he goes to find the map or whatever to the location.

Idea 4: Or perhaps, Deac, we can utilize the alternate universe where this dimension's Syrnl is being given another chance in that RPG that ended? They could enter that dimension to get a vital clue or something, hidden by the Imperials. Then when they emerge twenty years have passed...

When this happened to Corzip, Deac, and Rwos, they were immediately (about a minute after leaving the dimension) transported by the Aeges to pre-Battle of Endor times to perform the actions of The Hutt Gamble. So really, they would have no idea if they had time-skipped like that...so it would be feasible.


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Old 08-05-2002, 01:54 AM   #47
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Ok Redwing, I like some of your ideas, and don't like others. Personally, I don't like the idea of using a Time Warp/Portal thing. That makes it seem to me like we're delving too much into fantasy here, and straying significantly (as if the Time Matrix wasn't significantly straying) from Star Wars. I do really like the fourth idea, of being transported to another universe, because it's already been done, and it would give us more story opportunities. That's just my two cents though.


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Old 08-06-2002, 12:26 AM   #48
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Take the alternate universe, and have say a day there=1 year at the normal one.


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As Odin says in the Hovamal:
"Praise no day 'til evening; no wife 'til on her pyre; no sword 'til tested;
no maid 'til bedded; no ice 'til crossed;
no ale 'til drunk."
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Old 08-06-2002, 01:16 AM   #49
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@superthrawn: Far too late - Deac's existence is based heavily on fantasy, same with Rwos - and as we all know, Admiral's characters are based on Norse mythology.

It seems that the consenus is that we get to meet Deac's brother. (Syrnl; he's been stuck in that alternate universe for a proverbial 'second chance'.)

Now that we have that problem figured out...are we ready to start? Or should we, er, wait for Deac?


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Old 08-06-2002, 06:36 PM   #50
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when does Deac come back?

Don't forget about the so called gods, that have appeared.


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As Odin says in the Hovamal:
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no maid 'til bedded; no ice 'til crossed;
no ale 'til drunk."
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Old 08-08-2002, 04:32 AM   #51
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Er...two weeks from the 26th, approximately. So in a few days.

Here's our "star character" lineup so far:

1. Orthos
2. Misae
3. Josine
4. Heimdall
5. Marin


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Old 08-08-2002, 03:12 PM   #52
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I don't see why we can't wait a couple more days.


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As Odin says in the Hovamal:
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no maid 'til bedded; no ice 'til crossed;
no ale 'til drunk."
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Old 08-10-2002, 09:50 PM   #53
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well shall we begin?


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As Odin says in the Hovamal:
"Praise no day 'til evening; no wife 'til on her pyre; no sword 'til tested;
no maid 'til bedded; no ice 'til crossed;
no ale 'til drunk."
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Old 08-11-2002, 11:24 PM   #54
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Sure. Ummmm...Deac, are you gonna start the topic - considering it's your RPG that the spinoff is based on?


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Old 08-12-2002, 01:36 AM   #55
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Since Deac hasn't posted here in a while, and he is back, I'm going to start the topic--I did think of the idea, after all. Though I will give Deac credit as to creating the Cantina series.


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Old 11-03-2002, 05:44 AM   #56
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I'm bumping this thread to explain something that might be used in the RPG called the Eye of Odin.

According to the Gargoyles universe, the Eye of Odin is a magical artifact created from Odin's left eye.

The Eye of Odin revealed the innermost self of its wearer, transforming the wearer physically (and usually mentally) into an exaggerated version of that innermost self. It also granted appropriate mystical abilities to its wearer.

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Xanatos: Wait. This situation (sigh) is out of my control. I thought I could handle it, but... The creature you saw? It's Fox. She's been affected by the jewel she wears. Legend says the Eye of Odin is supposed to endow the wearer with power and insight. I had no idea it had metamorphic capabilities.

Goliath: Perhaps it can give you some insight into Fox's real character. It seems to have made her more like herself.

Eye of the Beholder, Gargoyles
In the case of a mercenary named Fox, it granted her Eye-created form superhuman strength, speed and agility. It also almost killed her by accelerating her metabolism until she couldn't eat enough to power it.

(to see above pic, go here first)

http://gsv.topcities.com/episode_pics/19/20.jpg
http://avalon.gargoyles-fans.org/ftp...s2/ser2-62.jpg
http://stonegate.furvect.com/charact...(Werewolf).htm
http://stonegate.furvect.com/media/G...a_Werewolf.htm
http://stonegate.furvect.com/media/G...f_into_Fox.htm

A sorceror named the Archmage gained vast mystical power, and minimal physical transformation.

http://www.spaceports.com/~madbrook/...on2/904112.jpg

(to see above pics, go here first)

When the gargoyle Goliath donned the Eye of Odin in order to keep it away from Odin himself, it granted all those powers granted to the Archmage and Fox, making him into a god-like being, but corrupted his protective instinct to make him a tyrant.

http://stonegate.furvect.com/media/G...h_Enhanced.htm

Goliath, eventually, voluntarily gave up the jewel after he recognized that it had corrupted him. Odin replaced the jewel in his left eye socket, its original place. It transformed back to his left eye, and granted him his full power again.

(both Odin pics above from here (must go there first))

(Obviously that backstory stuff won't apply to the RPG. I'm just listing source material for reference. ^_~)

The eye had two drawbacks. One, it was difficult to remove, giving painful shocks of energy to any who try to do so (including the wearer). And second, it corrupted the personality of its wearer (except Odin himself).

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Old 11-03-2002, 04:01 PM   #57
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Just a couple of things about Odin's Eye (the links provide some errors in the myth)

The actual myth has Odin going to the well of knowledge guarded by Mimir. To drink from the well Odin had to give up an eye. There was not a specified eye. This is because all knowledge requires some sacrifice. (Example: To learn you must give up time that could be used for something else). Odin gladly did it and plucked out an eye then drank from the well. Where he gain vast knowledge, and became sad and gloomy since he knew how the world was going to end. Yet he never regretted his scarifice. He then crafted his spear from a branch above the well. After gaining knowledge he sought out the most wise of the giants, disquised as a wanderer. They then started a contest of wits. First the Giant, Vafthrudnir ask Odin a serious of questions. Odin quickly answered them all correctly. Then it was Odin's turn. He asked the Giant a serious and the Giant got them all correctly. Odin finally asked the Giant want did Odin say to Balder. The giant couldn't answer and the myths ends, there. (it is not known whether Odin took the giants head). Odin then hung himself upside down from Yggdrasil for nine days and nights to learn the magical runes. During this time he pierced himself with his own spear.
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That said (I don't like errors). My character Odin does have one eye and like many things follows Norse mythology, to a point.


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As Odin says in the Hovamal:
"Praise no day 'til evening; no wife 'til on her pyre; no sword 'til tested;
no maid 'til bedded; no ice 'til crossed;
no ale 'til drunk."
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Old 11-03-2002, 08:59 PM   #58
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Yes, I have read about the myth. The errors weren't errors; they were explaining the differences between the Gargoyles altered mythology and the actual myth. (I did point out "According to the Gargoyles universe") There were two basic things altered:

A) Odin was a Fey, not a god, and the Aesir and Vanir were not the only 'higher powers'. They answered to Odin as in the myth but Odin ultimately answered to the Fey Lord Oberon (taken from Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night's Dream).

B) Odin's eye was somehow taken from Mimir's well to Avalon, Oberon's home, where it was transformed into the jewel Eye of Odin. Because of this, the terms of exchange were considered expired, and Odin could rightfully take his eye back, which he did.

This needs to be tweaked if the Eye is to be used in the RPG, of course.

I specified the left eye simply because it was the left eye in Gargoyles. I was hazy on whether it was specified in the original myth (I only read abbreviations of it.)


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Old 11-03-2002, 10:37 PM   #59
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Redwing: If you would pm me about this that way we can tweak *Odin's eye* with out clogging the board.


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As Odin says in the Hovamal:
"Praise no day 'til evening; no wife 'til on her pyre; no sword 'til tested;
no maid 'til bedded; no ice 'til crossed;
no ale 'til drunk."
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Old 11-05-2002, 03:39 AM   #60
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Returning to discussion -

superthrawn might not be coming back.

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At the moment, I've decided to give up rights to Josine, which means that there are basically three people I'd feel comfortable having control her. Deac, Redwing, or Cracken. Those are the only three I really want to control her, and you three can fight over her, if any of you want her.


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Old 11-05-2002, 12:45 PM   #61
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Also note i have taken Alys out of teh RPG. She's not needed.

Besides, i mean, when time snaps back, and the Cantina comes to teh alternate (I think that's what happens) Two Alys's will be confusing.

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Old 11-05-2002, 08:43 PM   #62
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I don't know - doubles would be interesting. Especially considering they'll go through totally different character development.

You could have Alys in the RPG still, and eventually kill her before the end. Because this is an alternate universe, none of our characters are really guaranteed survival (except Irvine, but he also won't be finishing the quest with the rest of the group)

I for one won't have qualms about killing some of my characters if appropriate. And at least half of them are doubles.


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Old 11-05-2002, 10:53 PM   #63
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all of my characters are doubles.


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As Odin says in the Hovamal:
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no maid 'til bedded; no ice 'til crossed;
no ale 'til drunk."
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Old 11-06-2002, 07:02 PM   #64
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well cracken, I'm sorta afrid that I might need alys in the spinoff. *some ideas i have that would also be useful, and can be supported to wants in C8*

plus loss of some plot stuff might be lost too :P

also Irvine has to leave in twenty years (like there could be a time where they all help each other train in Jedi arts or something (cus Irvine has to be a fully trained by the time he gets in c7 :rolleyes)
and I'd like someone to volenteer and 'teach' Irvine the 3-form technique later on in the storyline (what Irvine does in C8 to be in three parts (very good, very evil, and exact opposite on good/evil scale to what the person would be normaly))
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Old 11-07-2002, 12:05 AM   #65
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Well there was setup for a Misae/Alys storyline. But-

"also Irvine has to leave in twenty years (like there could be a time where they all help each other train in Jedi arts or something (cus Irvine has to be a fully trained by the time he gets in c7 :rolleyes) "

Fully trained? Well, Flax was able to take him on singlehandedly when he showed up, and that with barely any Force power available.

"and I'd like someone to volenteer and 'teach' Irvine the 3-form technique later on in the storyline (what Irvine does in C8 to be in three parts (very good, very evil, and exact opposite on good/evil scale to what the person would be normaly))"

What are you talking about? Exact opposite what?


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okay remember how i had Irvine split into 3 people in the Council Meeting in cantina 8, Someone has to teach him that

exact opposite personality, but still keeping to what he's really aiming for. (such like killing a certain guy for example)

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I have some "protocol" questions related to the Cantina Spinoff (Postlude to Holocaust). ^_^

First: Are we going to end the thread, and start a new one to make it a multiparter saga a la Cantina? If so, I think the time is almost right to do so. If not, disregard everything else

Second: I can end the thread (or Deac, or Admiral, or pretty much anyone with some direct control over the situation and doesn't create a really bad ending and get everybody mad ) but who will begin the new one?

Superthrawn by rights should. But superthrawn isn't here. Deac, do you want to? Or shall I? Or the person who ends the RPG? Or what?

All very unimportant *cough* questions that honestly don't matter all that much should be answered as quickly as possible due to their extreme importance!
(the above being a quote of my post from the RPG problems/discussion thread)

Okay, I wrote a recap (for any possible new players who don't want to read 16 pages) and posted the new thread.

Absolutely loathe anything I did (considering I wasn't the original topic-starter-person-thingy for this) and I'll be happy to change it.


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