BETA TEST: Bast Castle SIEGE - Page 2

Mongo05 · 03-10-2004, 01:42 AM

IM a tester right? I think im a good one i can test a lot of things..

monsoontide · 03-10-2004, 01:57 AM

You're a server admin!
The power!... The power!... The absolute power!

:

So yes... testing is a given.

Starting to feel better.. Taking more cold & flu drugs...

Will try and upload via 56k tonight when I go to bed but I can't guarntee anything.

Lightning · 03-10-2004, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by monsoontide

Will try and upload via 56k tonight when I go to bed but I can't guarntee anything.

So you will be done uploading tomnorow morning?

Any ideas on when you want us to test it?

[ONE]Mushroom · 03-10-2004, 07:23 PM

Monsoontide - would you like more help? I can have testing sessions hosted on the ONE clan server, hosted by Jolt in the UK. We all play siege, and will be able to organise team v team testing sessions. We could also get some siege specialist clans we are friendly with to help.

Stuff we've previously done includes modding siege_korriban to include guns here, and I am currently programming JMMod, Jedi Master gamemode for JK:JA. There are also mapping endeavors on the way, and plans for a siege map.

Get well soon

monsoontide · 03-10-2004, 08:17 PM

OK... Have notified all the testers via PM. (Appologies to anyone who received it more than once)

Server admins - please post IP address of servers once they're up and running so testers can connect.

You'll need to arrange games with each other - it's very lonely playing with only two people!!!

All feedback, problems, ideas etc to this thread - thanks!

Let me know immediately if you have trouble getting the map to run.

I would suggest playing through the map by yourself at first (use the addbot *botname* command to add enough players to start map - the map is partially bot routed, so the bots won't jump around like idiots).

Also one final note. Please keep the map to yourselves - since it is after all only a BETA and not yet ready for release

I look forward to the feedback

Enjoy!

Mongo05 · 03-10-2004, 11:09 PM

Attention All testers...I am currently hosting a 16 person Beta testing server containing the bast caslte siege map...
IP: 66.98.176.194:29070
You can all download the map from www.clantds.tk which is used on the server..

Please Post all bugs and errors on this forum just like monsoon said.

monsoontide · 03-11-2004, 04:37 AM

Hi All,

Well, I had no problems connecting to Mongo05's server this evening - though no-one else around

I will be around on any server running the Bast Castle map between 9pm and 11pm (Los Angeles time

) every night this week.

ace_rogue1 · 03-11-2004, 06:30 AM

well monsoontide i dont know what time that is,ut over this weekend ill be on any server with this map quiet abit, so hope to see some people, but i wont wait forever by myself if it comes to that, though i dont think it will
ok finished d/ling, so lets give this baby a go...

Lightning · 03-11-2004, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mongo05
You can all download the map from www.clantds.tk which is used on the server..

Please Post all bugs and errors on this forum just like monsoon said.

Evil linky:

Quote:

Also one final note. Please keep the map to yourselves - since it is after all only a BETA and not yet ready for release

I'm downloading now..... done

[ONE]Mushroom · 03-11-2004, 02:22 PM

ONE clanserver is at 195.149.21.245:28070

We've not decided on a timetable for running it yet, but if there's an admin present, you can always ask them to start the map.

redsaurus · 03-11-2004, 03:03 PM

It's probably a bit late, but if you need any more beta testers, can I please help?
I live in the UK, to give you an idea of when I could test.

Lightning · 03-11-2004, 03:07 PM

Great map and really big.

i didn't find any big things only little stuff like the droids and the no being a X on the objectives # when you finish it. And the bacta looks like it's way over it's keeping qualities.

monsoontide · 03-11-2004, 03:23 PM

Mongo05 - can you please turn the guns back on on the server... They're one of the features I need tested!!!

Thanks to everyone I played against thismorning!
Now you may have realized the reason this map desperately needs play testing/balancing!

Thanks

If anyone has any questions they need to ask, PM me straight away!

*Andy867* · 03-11-2004, 03:59 PM

Well, right now I am currently uploading the zip to my web space and the link will be

http://videostrategy.jediknight.net/...astcastle1.zip

and the server ip (6person server) is

24.217.133.29:29071

ace_rogue1 · 03-12-2004, 02:40 AM

hey ONE Mushroom can u lower the max ping on your server cuz it always has "server for low pings" message appear when i wanna test on the ONE server

ok bug time...
(1) Luke with two lightsaber stance. I noticed after being kyle katarn (heavy weaps) that when i changed to luke (jedi) he still had kyles two saber stance! This is fixed when you press saber stance buton and luke returns to normal 1 saber stances and does not retain the two saber stance.

(2) Invisible switches. As some would have figured out by now (I hope) the only way to summon elevators to you is by being at entrance to elevator and pressing the use button. It's not really a big problem, but its not user-friendly, especially for first time players of the map. I recommend ether adding switches next to the elevators, or have auto-summon elevators, though its your choice

My other problem is not really a bug, but just something i noticed. Although i havent played this map with any other testers yet, i have noticed that the areas where controls to vaders meditation chamber, bridge activation etc are, the walkways are very thin on the outer ring of the levels, and i noticed that this area is goig to be very annoying for games where multiple people encounter each other here. As there are no handrails to stop yourself accidently falling into the "damage" area at the bottom of the pit, people will simple be annoyed of falling into the pit and dieing even whn not fighting, and they simply lag for a moment. Now consider that when people battle in this area, the changes off lag will increase and many peope will probably die when they believed they were safe....
ummm..sorry for rambling...need to learn how to make it short and sweet.

Also monsoontide i find that although the Assault classes have nice guns

, concerning balancing, i doubt many people will see an advantage of using the Assault classes as they have no resistance to enemy force powers and only have force jump 1, but i cant realy tell how this will work out in a proper game, so...

ANYWAY that problem isn't much, and i LOVE this map and the fps is great, so i cant wait to REALLY test this out with a proper siege match

monsoontide · 03-12-2004, 03:59 AM

The switch/power room was a recent addittion - combining two redundant areas into one more interesting area so it still needs more adjustments (Hence BETA)

I admit the lifts thing takes getting used to. May make some "switches" though they won't do anything since I need the func_brushes elsewhere

As for the assault teams, Jan has a cloaking device and the Noghri is the fastest player (& quick kickass with that reapeater!)
Both also have Heavy_Melee - which is kind of like double damage melee.

I'm online on one of the servers right now - so if anyone wants a game - now is the time!!

BTW... Where is everyone located (roughly) - so we can organize some matches in accordance with when people will be awake!

mergatroid · 03-12-2004, 05:47 AM

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Originally posted by monsoontide

BTW... Where is everyone located (roughly) - so we can organize some matches in accordance with when people will be awake!

I;m in france.

Pahricida · 03-12-2004, 07:38 AM

well might have noticed it.

Germany and it's 10:38 AM right now

[ONE]Mushroom · 03-12-2004, 07:52 AM

I'm in the UK.

I propose a team game on ONE clanserver at 16:00 GMT Saturday and Sunday. I'll increase the max latency too.

This, I think, will be an excellent map when it is finished.

What I have found so far:

These falls are 2D, and significantly aliased in side view.

Sparklies

Visually it appears that it is possible to drop down from the shuttle pad to the fuel pump via platforms and pipes. It is not.

Pod engine flame thrower does surprisingly little damage.

Alora has melee and level 3 lightning. This means two handed lightning. Is this what you intended?

The switch room is a major bottleneck. There are two lifts in from below, which could be guarded by demos. I shall test to see if the Sith can spend the whole game camping there, and win.

As ace_rogue1 said, it is easy to fall onto the deadly floor in the switch room.

Is there a way to tell which of the four power nodes for the tractor have been disabled? Otherwise, could they be labelled to make team communication easier?

It is easy to roll through the window over the walkway when trying to get out to the power nodes, and fall to death.

It is not always obvious which lift to take. For example, when descending into the map room there are two lifts down. One leads to the power node area and the rest of the castle, the other to the holocron lab, a dead end. Maybe label lifts to dead ends?

ace_rogue1 · 03-12-2004, 08:03 AM

Im in Australia, and its 8:26 pm here now, bout to go to servers now
ill keep looking...
oh and figure out what difference your own locations time is from GMT, then you'll know the times people are talking about, and post what times you are planning to test in GMT and hopefully we can get more people together

Pahricida · 03-12-2004, 08:04 AM

16:00 Gmt is good. that would mean 15:00 PM for me

ace_rogue1 · 03-12-2004, 08:26 AM

ok testers, use this site http://www.worldtimeserver.com/ to determine your times and such...

...Mushroom with that site i figured that those of us using EST will have to be on at...3:00 am...so i'll probably sit those out, though i might be up for it sat morning, as ill probably be getting home from a party, if its early finish

Pahricida get onto the TDS server NOW im on it waiting for someone

Lightning · 03-12-2004, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [ONE]Mushroom
I'm in the UK.

I propose a team game on ONE clanserver at 16:00 GMT Saturday and Sunday. I'll increase the max latency too.

Sound good but i all way's eat at that time. So i don't know how long you all wil be in the server then but i could be a little late.

Btw those round torture droids (for got the name.) All most never hurt you even if your walking into them. But it did go to you fine. And yes i was a jedi at the time.

*Alegis* · 03-12-2004, 02:30 PM

i havent played the map through yet but here are some comments

1)

i played it now for about 40 minutes and still cant figure that good out where's what, i used noclip to scroll around (confused: how to get in that room above the tractor beam thing; what the holocron at the bottom is, and the one at top)

"bugs"

1. No information given in the objectives menu for #6, imperials
2. the holocron tab in objectives has 2 different places? (one given for imp one given for rebels)
3. could be because of a pk3 file in base, but when i loaded the map i got these results

shader "textures/doomgiver/bigpipe1d" and
shader "textures/bespin/botton_off" .. has lightmap but no lightmap stage, i have some missing textures around the first rebel spawn area which are the shield at top and the doors at 2nd floor

and something wrong with
models/player/n1_mst -> animevent.cfg animations
BOTH_GEARS_OPEN (_CLOSE)
BOTH_WINGS_OPEN (_CLOSE) not found or something like that

unknown cmd identity

4. Rebel spawn point 1; the luke falling noise i get when passing floor 2 is irritating and pointless :\
5. difficult to get out the spawn point if you're coming sideways
6. the turbolasers seem to float a bit. story issue: turbo lasers cant even hit starfighters well (they're intended for big targets), they're not supposed to hit moving persons :\
7. The map looks very very weird from the outside (you can see it very well as a castle on a piece of paper and a big box around it), the yellow stuff in the whole map is a bit too bright and the place outside where it drips down, looks awful from a distance (i can provide screenie)
8. In the join menu, Heavy weapons imperial: the name is strange (dark jedi destroyer); and use of some words "this heavy weapons"..."he can.."
9. set normal speed for scout a bit higher

well i will test it later more thorough about the objectives, for balancing issuesi'll have to play it with ppl

monsoontide · 03-12-2004, 04:38 PM

Keep the feedback coming!

Will try and join in some games this weekend!

Alegis - As for #4: If you look into the cell, you'll notice a torture droid torturing a prisoner as you go past

#7 THere's not much I can do about that since its a technical issue with the "skybox". If anyone has any ideas on ways to fix this I'm open to suggestions

As for the other things - good spotting.

I'm aware of some of the stuff in the menus - I have to get around to finishing it all. - I think the objective icons don't X out 'cos they need a shader.

The turbo lasers were static - but I thought it would be more interesting if they did something! Imagine these small ones are the equivalent of the rebel laser towers in the Hoth Siege map.

Pahricida · 03-12-2004, 08:16 PM

Don't know, wether you did this on purpose.

And there are some lifts where you assigned the underside of the liftbrush with the caulk texture.

Squee-sithguy · 03-12-2004, 09:10 PM

I really like this map, it is a great map. all the bugs mentioned are all the ones i have seen too, exept for when you enter the castle and its like a museum, in the red tube there is an object with a missing texture, just to let you know

so ya, thats it i hope this map turns out great after beta (is that possible? its already so good)

LukeKatarn · 03-12-2004, 09:20 PM

If you want anyone else to help count me in name the server and time.

monsoontide · 03-13-2004, 12:54 AM

Luke Katarn - Join in if you can find a game going. But I must have as much feedback on the GAMEPLAY as possible and all feedback comes to this forum.

Pahricida - Yeah - those pipes are a problem - I can't cap them in radiant - 'cos it does totally wierd things to the caps since the pipes are so small. Not sure what to do there.

Ahh - I notice in your screen shot you've got locations turned on! Can you post how to do that for everyone - it'll make the game considerably easier for those having trouble finding the other players in the map!

I'll be around tonight if anyone wants a game - Between 9pm and 11pm LA Time which is GMT 5am - 7am!!!!! - No wonder no-one is ever around!!!!

Zappa_0 · 03-13-2004, 01:21 AM

Hey Monsoontide, if you need anymore people to help out, id would love to give you a hand.

Mongo05 · 03-13-2004, 02:33 AM

remember the TDS server... 66.98.176.194

Squee-sithguy · 03-13-2004, 11:48 AM

one other thing i didnt like about this map...mon mothma why is her head used for the emporers head? just asking

Pahricida · 03-13-2004, 12:14 PM

For Team Overlay View:

Setup -> Game Options -> Draw Team Overlay Status (or smoething like that) ON

and I guess he chose Mon Mothmas Head cause you have to send the Data to the new Republic ... so it would be rather unwise to send it to the Emperor. (who doesn't even live anymore at the time the map plays

)

Lightning · 03-13-2004, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pahricida
For Team Overlay View:

Setup -> Game Options -> Draw Team Overlay Status (or smoething like that) ON

He said locations not team overlay.

Pahricida · 03-13-2004, 04:00 PM

.... -.-'

Team overlay includes Location

Somehow I can't join the -ONE- Server running the map .. The Server is pure and contains some custom pk3's which I haven't got.

*Alegis* · 03-13-2004, 04:16 PM

in the locations;
conferance room-> conference room?

there are some incomplete messages like

"the jedi are attacking the upper h"

and it's quite annoying to play the map without "objective complete" messages and sound...annoying as well is that

When you get the holocron at the bottom and want to get to mon monthma's face, i noticed I was out of force (it grows VERY SLOWLY back with a holocron) and could not make the jumps which were necessary to get there

The small lifts up are a problem indeed, almost ALL the switches are there and it's too easy to kill ppl using the lifts

mastercracker · 03-13-2004, 05:06 PM

Why don't you use Language Strings?
That would be better for Translation

Lightning · 03-13-2004, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pahricida
.... -.-'

Team overlay includes Location

lol didn't know sorry.

Squee-sithguy · 03-13-2004, 07:15 PM

so....what happened to the server using this map?

monsoontide · 03-13-2004, 07:32 PM

Erm... Who exactly is going to do this translation?

I didn't use language strings cos they're a pain in the arse. It just seems like yet another unecessary extra pain in the arse step/file to do/include. There's already enough stuff to try and get right. Why edit 2 files when I only need to do one. I can see why Raven did it though - it's easier for them to translate one file than lots of others.

The holocron thing is EASILY possible - but yes, you do need to conserve your jumps. I thought it was too easy without the holocron draining your force powers, but that's me playing the map alone. What are everyone else's thought on this?

The map does give objective complete messages - what are you talking about? Or do you mean C3pO's voice?
I actually recorded some custom voiceovers for when the objectives are complete, but I didn't include them to try and keep the file size down.

As far as the other messages go, does anyone know how to insert a "return" into the message so it's on two lines?

Zappo_0 join in if you can find a game.

I saw a game with 6 people playing on the [ONE] server this morning

but with only a 56K dial-up, it wouldn't let me join.

P.S. I'm aware of some of the problems mentioned - but I'd also appreciate input on how to solve them.
One reason for the lift problem is MP lifts are kind of limited in functionality and stairs/ramps are kind of redundant - You'd have to run around so many ramps just to go up to the next floor! The ramps in the switch/power room are already steep enough! (Actually, should I change them to stairs?)