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Old 08-17-2004, 03:24 PM   #81
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I'm suprised you didn't help nitro more if you had and made a breakthrough at mine you would have had PBGuy vulnerable.

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Old 08-17-2004, 04:54 PM   #82
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When I decided to give loads of help to Nitro, pbguy attacked Vostok so I had to shift my attention to the other side of the map.
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Old 08-17-2004, 07:15 PM   #83
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Hutt Endorsements. I idnt research altered bargains because I never had to do the much resource trading. Therefore, I never use it nor did I really know what it was till now. I'll research it from now on.


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Old 08-17-2004, 09:13 PM   #84
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I wish the game had have recorded properly! It truly was a good game.

I've been practicing a bit with Gungans in preparation for next week, as I vowed to give up my air-whoring for a while... I need a bit more practice still... I'm thinking I might switch to Republic, where I can still whore air, but I at least have some other options open unlike Naboo.


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8/22 ... pb and saber vs all



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Old 08-17-2004, 11:00 PM   #86
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Interesting purposal...


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let the slaughtering commence...

but who will do the slaughtering???



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Old 08-18-2004, 02:00 AM   #88
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Actually saber, I think you helped with that little geo raid. I was at pop limit most of the game and those workers just finished mining some sort of resource.



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Old 08-18-2004, 03:17 PM   #89
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Saber and pbguy vs the rest, eh? Sounds fun... Of course the fact that saber and pbguy have never been on the same team before will make the game a nice change at least...


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Old 08-18-2004, 04:19 PM   #90
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Well, if it ends up 2v5... then we might have to claim phreak for our team.

Hopefully I won't be too hungover. I forgot one of my friends is having a party the night before. So I could end up being in a very bad way for Sunday!



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Old 08-18-2004, 09:23 PM   #91
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I think 2v5 would be better than 3v4... though maybe not if you hate getting triple-teamed so much


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Old 08-19-2004, 12:10 PM   #92
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Personally Vostok I'd pick the Republic Over the gungans because they can support relatively good ground focres with good air they're the jack of all trades much like the empire after them. The Gungans are like the confedreacy they own the land and are vulnerable from the air so that'll put you in good stead since you know all about air whoring and so will know how it can be defeated. Beleive me however when I saw you'll need to practise for a decade to make yourself look good by playing as the gungans.

I look forward to this 2 v 5

My droids will engoy scoruing you from the battle field

saber's propabl a bad team choice due to OOS but still it'll be fun propably not as epic but fun.


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Old 08-19-2004, 03:22 PM   #93
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Well as pbguy said I fared well as Trade Fed in a long-ago game. They aren't that different to Gungans. But I still feel too vulnerable without any decent air, so I think Republic will be it.


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Old 08-19-2004, 04:51 PM   #94
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I've only gone OOS one feckin week! Out of all the weeks we've played! ANd we managed to restore. Who hasn't had connection probelms?

Republic don't have great ground forces. They're mostly air and jedi like the Naboo. They can build repeaters very fast but they're fairly average and will get owned by Wooks, Confed or Rebel repeaters. Their mechs and heavy weapons aren't up to much at all. Gungans are more like the Empire, but htey have better mechs and heavies and worse air.
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Old 08-19-2004, 05:29 PM   #95
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Well maybe I'll shop around a bit with civs. I'll see how I go with Republic this week, then maybe try Gungans if I don't go so well. I'm in the mood for a Naboo change at any rate.


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Old 08-20-2004, 06:53 PM   #96
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Old 08-20-2004, 08:41 PM   #97
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Well as Nitro can confirm, I absolutely suck with Republic. The problem is they're kind of like Naboo but not enough... their bombers are too slow, and I can't fight the temptation to get Jedi too early.

So, I'll be playing Gungans next game. However I regret to announce I most likely won't be joining in the game this Sunday, as I'll be going away for the weekend. I hope to see battle reports all the same, and I will most likely be back next weekend.


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Old 08-20-2004, 10:36 PM   #98
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Old 08-21-2004, 06:51 AM   #99
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Especially since Pulling miracles out of nowhere is my speciality.

I hope somehow you'll be able to come this sunday but if not we'll manage somehow.


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Old 08-21-2004, 08:16 AM   #100
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otoh Republic is easily the best civ for DM. Nothing can stop a jedi master rush followed up with mounty/repeater flood and air support.
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Old 08-21-2004, 09:30 AM   #101
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Saber when was the last time the forum game was a DM?

Republic is pretty good late game espcially since they get Kaminoan Cloners for the animal nursery.


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Old 08-21-2004, 09:41 AM   #102
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Republic are great late game. Unfortunately once I get to TL4 I spend too much time researching Jedi techs and not enough time pumping out units.

Have a good game without me. Unfortunately unless DMUK shows up this week I don't think you'll be able to do pbguy & saberhagen vs the rest.


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Old 08-21-2004, 10:31 AM   #103
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Your best off building the army and then after it's built upgrade it
and if you need to attack continue upgrading but use your units cunningly it's really not that hard.


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Old 08-22-2004, 02:54 PM   #104
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I'll probably be there tomorrow, if I can be bothered to take my PC back into the house...
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Old 08-23-2004, 11:30 AM   #105
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Old 08-24-2004, 07:13 AM   #106
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ANother week, another 2 defeats!

The first game was a 3 way FFA between me, pbguy and Viceroy. I was closest to pbguy and to make things more unpleasant, it was a space map. The good thing was that there were plenty of mynocks near my CC so I had a good start. That nearly cost me though: because I was hunting early on, I had still had food stockpiles left well into T2. Luckily I saw pbguy's rush coming and moved the food workers out of the way just in time. Then my troopers moved in and wiped out his first wave, but I knew a second one wouldn't be far behind so I built more troopers. The 2nd wave did more damage, going for the carbon workers while his mounties nearly burnt down the turret that was guarding them. Again I moved my troopers in and wiped them out, built more workers and troopers, and set out for a counter attack. I got a few of pbguys carbon workers and killed the first lot of troopers who came out to proptect them, but with heavy losses, and he had a constant stream of new troopers coming out of his troop centres and my force was eventually wiped out. After that, pbguy got to T3 and I was nowhere near. Before I could get there, he came at me with masses of heavy troopers and advanced mounties, supported by strike mechs and a couple of MDs. And that was the end for me...

Phreak showed up for the 2nd game so it was a 2v2, me and Viceroy vs pbguy and Phreak, on a motherlode. I was between Phreak and Viceroy, with no direct route to pbguy, so I went T3 and tried to air rush him. That didn't get me very far because he had plenty of aa troopers, although I managed to pick off one or two workers and a force of troopers and mounties who were heading for Viceroy's base.

I got a decent boom going and had over 100 workers, but pbguy got to T4 before me and proceeded to deliver death by 1000 awings (well, it seemed like it). As soon as I saw the mass of orange appear on the mini map I started building more aa and garrisonning my workers, but it was too little too late. Everything that moved was wiped out, and although I saved a few workers, they couldn't do anything for a while because I couldn't get rid of the awings. Also, my one nova patch ran out and I forgot to start trading soon enough, so although I got to T4 I couldn't afford to upgrade anything or make enough fighters. I kept fighting but I knew we were finished. Soon a force of assault mechs, cannons and repeaters was chewing up my base, supported by Phreak's droidekas. Viceroy sent MDs, aa troops and repeaters to help me and we held the attacks off for a while against overwhelming odds (I ended up losing about 700 units!) but it couldn't last, and I was wiped out fairly quickly.
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Old 08-24-2004, 11:36 AM   #107
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Well, sounds like a small turnout but decent games none-the-less. Sorry I couldn't make it, I will be there next week though (barring any unforeseen events).


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Old 08-24-2004, 05:04 PM   #108
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DO NOT SAY things like that you'll tempt fate and fate loves an excuse. i wouldn't say decent i'd say sluaghter it seems that practically any match against PB is a forgone conclusion a gruelling defeat.


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Yes... unless you manage to mount a triple-team effort on him in which case he quits without a fight


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Old 08-25-2004, 04:38 PM   #110
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the numbers in that one 1v3 battle were way too great for me to overcome. i'd spent all my resources fighting the other 2 guys, and then vostok sends in his T4 GU units and I was on the wrong end of an unbalanced scale. At least I sent somone on my team all my resources before I bit the dust.



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Old 08-25-2004, 05:22 PM   #111
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But you also could have retreated behind Nitro's formidable defences and used the masses of resources you had to build a counter offensive.


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Old 08-26-2004, 11:03 AM   #112
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Yeah, Vostok knows how good I am about hiding behind allied bases... <.<

That was a fun game.

I hope I don't have too much homework for this weeks game.
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sorry about running so fast after that second game, but i had to go do some stuff.



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Old 08-30-2004, 06:21 AM   #114
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Fair enough. I'll credit your extremely early resignation to that too

With the Forums operational again it's time for this weeks battle report.

The first game was very much our experimental game. We decided to experiment with having pbguy and saberhagen on the same team, and I decided to experiment with playing Gungans. The result was an absolute slaughter.

Pbguy was Rebels and saberhagen was Confederacy, while the other team consisted of Viceroy (Confederacy), StarWarsPhreak (Trade Federation), lukeiamyourdad (Wookiees) and me (Gungans).

The game was going along nicely. I'd managed to hold off a few strike rushes and help out others when they were rushed, so I assumed I wasn't going too badly. Then pbguy hit Phreak. Although Phreak's base wasn't destroyed, he decided to execute his usual tactic of "hide a worker in a friendly CC then when needed use him to build a base at the back of said friend's base".

Meanwhile saber was hitting LukesDad pretty hard, though he was certainly rising to the challenge. Pbguy now turned his attentions on Viceroy, and before long he too had a base in the back of mine. Well this was looking grim, but I managed to build quite a few shield generators and fortresses for protection. They didn't last long against pbguy's offense. When playing Naboo, Cannons have never been a problem as my fighters and bombers make short work of them, but as Gungans I haven't really perfected a decent anti-Cannon strategy. I was relying on mounties, but they fell fast to A-Wings, and I didn't have the numbers as I'd had far too many casualties fending off rushes from both enemies.

Inevitably I too was steamrolled. My efforts were too little too late. As a side effect of mass destruction of spaceports, luke's spaceport was crowded with a swarm of hover freighters. This upset Phreak somewhat, as he was relying on the trade routes to build Droidekas, and eventually he resigned. Pbguy discovered my second base, and promptly destroyed it, so I sent all my resources to LukesDad and resigned too. Pretty soon, Viceroy was also gone, and LukesDad was left alone. What a stand he made! He managed to hold off both saber and pbguy for quite some time after we were all gone, but against such an alliance there could be no victory. Eventually, he was over-run.

The second game I decided to give up this silliness and just play Naboo. By the end of the game I swore never to use another civ again... at least until I get bored again. The teams were pbguy and Viceroy vs saberhagen, lukeiamyourdad and me. Pbguy hit saber pretty early, as usual, so saber moved from his position on the wing to establish a base between LukesDad and me. By this time I'd fended off an assault or two from pbguy, and discovered the key to complete Naboo success. The one unit I had problems with previously was the AA Trooper. They are cheaper to mass than AA Mobiles, and although Fighters cut through them almost as fast as Bombers cut through Mobiles, the fact there is far more of them was what always spelt defeat for me. Pbguy nows this, of course, since on one of his T3 assaults against my base he sent more AA Troopers than Mounties and A-Wings.

But in doing my homework for "Getting the most out of each civ" thread, I discoevered that Naboo Strike Mechs aren't too bad, so I massed them in addition to Fighters and Bombers. The were great at holding off pbguy, particularly against his AA Troopers and Mounties. So that's the key to Naboo success: Strike Mechs.

I mounted an attack against Viceroy's base, which was next to mine, and soon later LukesDad joined the assault and we had pretty much destroyed Viceroy's original base. He'd retreated behind pbguy and built a new base there. Luke and I busied ourselves collecting what were once Viceroy's resources, and instead of recieving an A-Wing strike from pbguy as I was expecting, he instead attacked our workers with X-Wings. There was quite a number of them, but even I was surprised at how quickly my Fighters took them out. The swarm was wiped out and I'd only recieved a handful of casualties (apart from the Workers). I commented on how beautiful that had been.

Pbguy had established Fortresses all over the map, and it was at about this point in the game that luke and I started wiping them out. Most of them had been completely garrisoned with AA Troopers, since pbguy was no doubt anticipating my usual tactic of attacking Fortresses with Bombers, but this time we used a couple of my Cannons and a lot of luke's Artillery. After the first couple of Fortresses were destroyed, pbguy despaired and quit, depriving us of fun. Viceroy did the right thing and fought on, and quite admirably I might add. He'd lined the perimeter of his base with AA Turrets, and they were positioned in such a way that it was impossible for me to effectively use Bombers against them. Fortunately at this time I'd built a host of Jedi Masters (having four holocrons helped immensely in this regard) and I proceeded to convert the Turrets. There was a nasty surprise of the remnants of pbguy's air whoring - a large number of X-Wings in the middle of his base - that held me back for a while, but pretty soon our team was wiping out Viceroy's base, and he resigned.


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Nothing much I can say about these games as I didn't really do much. I happened to be on the winning side both times, but that was down to my allies.
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If PB hadn't left We could have won. You really didn't get much respoucres from my base though as i had been particularly agressive in harvesting. Fortunatly you guys wern't scouting everywhere or you would have found me. explain how bombers couldn't effectibely be used against those AA turrets. If only PB hadn't left There was quite a storm brewing that given a bit more time would have broke with disastorous consequences.


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You really didn't get much respoucres from my base though as i had been particularly agressive in harvesting.
Well in the area we cleared out there were two large clusters of Nova and two moderately sized clusters of Ore, so I call that a lot of resources.
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explain how bombers couldn't effectibely be used against those AA turrets.
Well they could, but not without heavy losses. So I thought I might as well bring in the Jedi.
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Perhaps, but I don't think so.


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DK, in order for us to have overcome them, we would have needed for you to have some sort of an army...

I can't take on 3 people in post t4. The numbers just don't allow for that kind of success.

I told you to attack Vostok in t3 for a reason. You said: "I'm not ready yet." Well, the point is that he wasn't either. And he needs T4 to be successful. By the time we got there he was in T4 and had his fighters going with shields.

After DK was whooped, the game was basically over. If I make an air army to try and take out Vostok, LIAYD owns me on the ground. If I go after LIAYD with ground units, Vostok owns me in the air. I can't make an army with enough size and balance to overcome the both of them. And then saber got a little bit of something going to be annoying enough to make it 1v3.

The key to winning is attacking first and best. Putting your opponent on the defensive and making them react to you. Some of you guys really need to go back and watch some of the past recorded games to see what goes on between me and saber before T4. You rely to heavily on it.

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Old 08-30-2004, 01:55 PM   #120
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Well, with no nova to generate DDs, I'm dead. And I'd rather play a giant 8v8 of Halo, then watch myself get slaughtered.

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