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Old 11-05-2004, 05:31 PM   #161
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Ya, but there are different ways of using the Force...

Too much discussion over BD's joke

So, so far we have:

Fighting: Orthos, Aidan, Tanara, Sir-Vin, Cracern, Hal, Drago.

Not fighting: Guy, Marin, Raschel, Matt, Ellela, Gortick.

That leaves...well, that really just leaves Ritchet. And I dunno if Ritchet could really fight in the battle according to how the Aesir are playing this XD but really it's up to superthrawn...


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Old 11-05-2004, 07:26 PM   #162
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Matt's definetely not fighting. He couldn't realistically survive.


Vader's wife was very pregnant when she died 19 years ago. All of a sudden a 19 year old who is very strong in the force and has a distinct resembalance to him in his younger days rolls in from Vader's home planet with his old Master Obi-Wan (Who was the ONLY other person preset at the time his wife died. And to boot, the kid's last name is Skywalker.

So in answer to your question, he knew Luke was his son because his name is Darth Vader, and not Darth Retard.


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Old 11-05-2004, 08:49 PM   #163
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Don't know what is funnier, BD's comment or that Scar was argueing about it.


anyways in case any of you think that your characters are going to survive this battle without a scratch think again. They will be hurt, there is simple no way to avoid this except for them not fighting.


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Old 11-06-2004, 03:44 AM   #164
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I was in an arguementive mood


it just happens to be not with you or red at the time

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Old 11-06-2004, 04:31 AM   #165
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One on one my Legions would rip Admiral's current forces to bits. Why?

Longbows, Horse Archers, Lancers, not to mention Barbarian Northmen and Car'nessa javalin men, plus the myriad other special troops.

Then We have 30,000 Battledogs, 6,000 Golden Lions, 12,000 Sword Brothers and 8,000 Men of the Shore.

The fact is though that I can only field 200,000 Legionaries and around 400,000-500,000 Reserves and I can't use all of those for one battle.

Fielding all 56,000 Noble Warriors is also impossible.


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Old 11-06-2004, 04:39 AM   #166
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cus admiral's forces are roughly 5 million

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Old 11-06-2004, 08:36 AM   #167
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That is funny BD, wrong but funny.

Your are making many assumptions about the Aesir's forces based on a battle with specific rules that outlaw Calvary, and ranged weapons.

You are also forgetting the Drakes that fight alonside the Aesir. Given no rules against ranged weapons they would reign fire down upon your legions before they got in range to use their longbows.

Also forgetting about the Futhark users who could put up shields that would make your legions ranged attacks useless, and well could refelct such attacks back at them. (handy trick).

You assume that the Aesir would not field calvary, again that is wrong. They actually have a long tradition of mounted combat. (In the true form of Ragnarok, Calvary is not outlawed, nor is ranged weapons btw).

Then you assume that they wouldn't have any ranged attacks of their own. Again that is wrong, Archery is another popular form of combat for the Aesir.

The beauty of living for so long is that you can train and become proficient in many different types of weapons.

Oh, you also forgot that if ranged weapons are allowed, they have weapons that fight on their own (remember Raschel's gun in the last thread). Each Aesir on the field could have a number of guns hovering over them and shooting at the enemy.

and that is just the tip of the iceberg. This battle is as limiting to the Aesir as it is to their enemies.
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Reaons why Ranged attacks are outlawed:

1. Didn't feel like using them.

2. 5 Drakes with their fire would make the battle end very quickly. Even with the 3 friendly drakes, there is still 2 free enemy drakes that can send fire at the Aesir and kill many in a single pass.

3. Jotuns can launch fire balls, and frost/ice balls a great distance wanted to limit that ability in this fight (make things more interesting)

4. The Aesir's "mages" could caste defensive shields that would repulse attacks of the enemy and possible send them back at whoever initiated the attack (this is considered a ranged weapon/attack). I wanted to limit this as well.

and some more.

Reasons for No calvary:

1. Wanted to make things harder on the Aesir by depriving them of that option. Heloki in a way are the enemy form of calvary.

2. I wanted a pure melee fight.

and a some more reasons.


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Old 11-06-2004, 03:24 PM   #168
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I said my forces, if they numbered five million, would waste your no ranged attaks current force. I am quite aware that without these restrictions you'd wipe my forces off the face of the earth.

However, since we're on the subject I have few surprises of my own.

As you may by no have gathered force sensitivity is more common among Agamarians.

As a rough figure, if a Lord has five sons one of them will be strong enough in the force to be trained. If he has five daughters then two will be strong enough for serious training.

This makes the Futhark rather less funky.

LOL.

I have a mental image of the two armies playing tennis with all those arrows


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Old 11-08-2004, 07:36 PM   #169
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Some more battle information:

Each of the characters fighting will be in a seperate Schiltron. The schiltrons are controled soley by the Aesir and they will ignore any recommendations any characters make.

The characters in the schiltrons are in the center of the formation with the healer and are somewhat safe, they will not be rotated to the font of the formation. Their combat will truely begin once the Schiltrons begin to fail (this will be due to taking loses and them no longer having the ability to hold the formation due to lack of people.

Certain characters who have specific enemies to fight will not be in a schiltron. They will be at the front of the army and will be ignored by the enemy army (Example: Heimdall is going after Loki, and loki after him. Each army is going to ignore the two and let them fight to their hearts content). Reason it is how Ragnarok occurs.

Characters in Schiltrons:
Drago
Hal
Sir Vin
Cracren
Aidan

Characters in the front:
Orthos
Tanara
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Posting: Hopefully tomorrow I will advance time again and have it be dawn right before the battle begins, allowing for some reactions if anyone wants to.

2nd post will be a short talk between the two sides.

3rd post will advance time again bringing to a point where all characters will be involved in the fighting.

Deac, WJ your two characters will be fighting against their opponents from the start so please don't think I'm trying to limit your characters action just don't want don't want to have everyone waiting a while.

*This may change depending on work etc.
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Old 11-08-2004, 11:00 PM   #170
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Um, I assume the schiltrons form after the short talk between the two sides, considering that's the point when everyone will know who's facing who?

Further explanation: See PMs.


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Old 11-09-2004, 11:14 AM   #171
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Wow! Tanara's at the front? Red only told me that Tanara was supposed to be in the battle! Gosh, can I have a little more info or am I going to find out who my opponent is when we actually start the fight? Either way works for me... whatever you decide.


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Old 11-09-2004, 05:59 PM   #172
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The short talk will be between the commanders of the two armies. The most of the group (that is fighting) will be well within the Aesir's formation. But since all have a Jedi's ability to increase their sight and hearing they should be able to hear what is going on.

Assignments:

Vidar vs Fenrir
Heimdall vs Loki
Tyr vs Jormungand
Freya vs Hel
Forseti vs Surt A Fire Jotun
Svafa vs Geirrod A Frost Jotun
Hirst vs Kari A Fire Jotun
Idona vs Blast a Fire Jotun
Gunn vs Gjlap a Frost Jotun
Sigrun vs Greip a Frost Jotun
Orthos vs Lokpihet
Tanara vs Darth Hellion (A High Dark Lord of the Sith)


Why is it that I have assigned Tanara to fight a Sith Lord?

It is rather simple. When I compare all the jedi characters, Tanara is the best Jedi around and at the moment the only one who really can claim the title of Jedi Knight in my opinion.


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Old 11-09-2004, 07:19 PM   #173
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The short talk will be between the commanders of the two armies. The most of the group (that is fighting) will be well within the Aesir's formation. But since all have a Jedi's ability to increase their sight and hearing they should be able to hear what is going on.

Assignments:

Vidar vs Fenrir
Heimdall vs Loki
Tyr vs Jormungand
Freya vs Hel
Forseti vs Surt A Fire Jotun
Svafa vs Geirrod A Frost Jotun
Hirst vs Kari A Fire Jotun
Idona vs Blast a Fire Jotun
Gunn vs Gjlap a Frost Jotun
Sigrun vs Greip a Frost Jotun
Orthos vs Lokpihet
Tanara vs Darth Hellion (A High Dark Lord of the Sith)


Why is it that I have assigned Tanara to fight a Sith Lord?

It is rather simple. When I compare all the jedi characters, Tanara is the best Jedi around and at the moment the only one who really can claim the title of Jedi Knight in my opinion.
Really? I thought you'd put her against a sith lord to solve her personality disorder.


Vader's wife was very pregnant when she died 19 years ago. All of a sudden a 19 year old who is very strong in the force and has a distinct resembalance to him in his younger days rolls in from Vader's home planet with his old Master Obi-Wan (Who was the ONLY other person preset at the time his wife died. And to boot, the kid's last name is Skywalker.

So in answer to your question, he knew Luke was his son because his name is Darth Vader, and not Darth Retard.


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Old 11-09-2004, 08:30 PM   #174
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JM, you don't need to quote the entire post especially since you posted right after me.


Secondly it could make Tanara's second personalty come to the surface and possible take control. Of course that is up to WJ.


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Old 11-09-2004, 08:39 PM   #175
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Admiral didn't say that was his ONLY reason, you know.

(Disregard my last post, Admiral and I have had (more) extensive discussion about it over PMs/Instant Messenger, which is really unnecessary to relate here.)


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But the bottom line here is that none of us are going to escape this battle without injury, right? Will any of us defeat our opponents? or is that up to us?


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Old 11-10-2004, 05:49 AM   #177
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*Grumble. Grumble.*

I'm not even going to say it this time, but if you want a great warrior to fight a Sith....................

Beyond that, what about Elella, doesn't she have a sabre staff as well?


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Old 11-10-2004, 08:51 AM   #178
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Elella has an orange lightsaber. She's never had a double one...


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Old 11-10-2004, 10:00 AM   #179
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Ok, I'm not going to argue with you about your own characters.


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Old 11-10-2004, 10:05 AM   #180
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Ellela is not fighting.

WJ: Given the size of the enemy army it is impossible to fight and not recieve some kind of wound (and a small cut doesn't count). Your charater only needs to worry about Darth Hellion and there is always a chance for them to be victorious.


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Am I right in thinking that somebody else will be controlling Darth Hellion? So therefore it would be that person's decision if Tanara wins... I can only defend her as best I can... BTW, she'll be loosing an arm if I have anything to say about it... her left arm. That's not a minor cut if you ask me!


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Old 11-10-2004, 12:52 PM   #182
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Ah, that I missed, Admiral.

I'm not sure whats going to happen to Hal. I don't want to perminatly cripple him so I'm not sure what to do. I mean I've given the guy so many knocks, he's now lost his whole family, he almost slipped over to the darkside in that temple, the Asier hate him.

The guy has just started to recover. I mean compared with the last two threads he's on the up.

Right?

Or does he still seem like a psychotic meat head with two lightsabres and a ridiculasly inflated ego?


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Old 11-10-2004, 01:33 PM   #183
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Um, thats how all your characters are :P


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Old 11-10-2004, 02:22 PM   #184
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No!

Flax is the classic Warrior Statesman, adept both on the field and in the Senate. He is also a deep thinker, a compassionate man. However he has a naturally violent temper which occasionally erupts.

Kal is the apprentice Jedi, any of his faults are a result of Deac's neglect. He is generally thoughtful and given to considered action, his brother thinks he is not decisive enough

Mirra Is the ideal noblewoman, kind compassionate, she can play the harp and the flute. She's still very young so she's not as asertive as she might be. She's also more than politically competant, although again because of her age and station its not that evident, yet.

Sophae is politically deadly and and if she hadn't married Flax at 19 she might have been a bit of a man eater. She knows she's gorgeous and she likes to pull men's stings a little from time to time.

Sellenna: She's politically deadly and she didn't marry Flax, or anyone else so she really enjoys wrapping men around her little finger, that said she doesn't exactly have a mile long list of lovers.

Dasken works, fights, does his laundry. He's a carier officer who started out as a pilot, went spook and is now a pilot again. He's not contrained by Jedi morals and he's willing to do what needs to be done. That said he's a good guy.

Allessa she comes from a culture where women are spoiled and being beutiful and marrying a handsome man are the two most impotant things in the universe. For some reason I can't fathom she's head over heals for Halren Flax (He's tall, so what?). She has a good heart but its burried under a fair bit of fluff.

Drago is a fanatically devoted warrior, he drinks, gambles and practices cutting the left wing off flys with his longsword. In PtH he still hasn't got his wife back so he dies of alchohol poisaning at every opertunity. In the Cantina he's concerend with keeping his hugely traumatised wife sane and helping her adapt to the wider galaxy, so he's off the source. He generally has good advice and he'll stay sober until you tell him he has a day off.

Hal, well; He's pretty screwed up in PtH, in the Cantina he's a combination of his two role models, his father and Drago.


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He will not be permanetly crippled.

using Hal as an example:

When the battle is over Hal has multiple shallow cuts to his arms, A cut on his thigh, and has a lot of bruses.

Maybe he has a bloody nose, a couple cuts on the face

He can walk off the field and will heal in a couple of days.
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The reasons for this is that the numbers of the enemy army and the type of fighting dictate that one can't leave unscathed and a single shallow cut doesn't count.

Also the Aesir do not hate Hal (You will see..)
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WJ: That is something I think we can accomadate rather easily.


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Old 11-10-2004, 04:17 PM   #186
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Deac, I hope you're not planning on killing Orthos just because he died in Cantina. He's an interesting character!

Besides, the universe deals EVERYONE a death card...

BD: Hal is an interesting character, but he rarely acts very Jedilike. He's not quite a psychotic meathead, though


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Old 11-10-2004, 07:02 PM   #188
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WJ: Actually here anything less than a coma-inducing injury is minor.


Vader's wife was very pregnant when she died 19 years ago. All of a sudden a 19 year old who is very strong in the force and has a distinct resembalance to him in his younger days rolls in from Vader's home planet with his old Master Obi-Wan (Who was the ONLY other person preset at the time his wife died. And to boot, the kid's last name is Skywalker.

So in answer to your question, he knew Luke was his son because his name is Darth Vader, and not Darth Retard.


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Old 11-11-2004, 03:54 AM   #189
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He is getting better though, when he's not in the threads I have him in perminant therapy.

*Hal is sat on the counch while Freud sits in a comfy chair.*

Freud: Tell me about your mother.

Hal: She's dead.

Freud: Ah, then tell me about you father.

Hal: He's dead.

Freud: Ziss may take a vhile.

Actually I was planning on having his hield arm shattered by a Heloki.


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Old 11-11-2004, 11:55 AM   #190
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Well, wildjedi, now that I can actually answer your questions...

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Am I right in thinking that somebody else will be controlling Darth Hellion? So therefore it would be that person's decision if Tanara wins... I can only defend her as best I can... BTW, she'll be loosing an arm if I have anything to say about it... her left arm. That's not a minor cut if you ask me!
Obviously, I will be. But it's not my decision, so to speak, as to who wins, or what actually happens. ^_~

Note, Misae will be much more powerful as a Sith than the group knew her as a Jedi. All that (hardly secret) anger, hatred, and lust for vengeance she's been carrying with her since the Holocaust...

Finally, for those introducing new characters, or family of new characters (), note that the current plan is that early next thread, the group is going to be crossing dimensions. (Not without a few stops first, though.) Also, there will be no several-month time skip between threads; just a day or so, this time. However, there may be a time skip of years involved near the middle/end of the thread, while in another dimension. Characters may or may not age in this time hiccup. This time skip may be as long as 18-19 years; anyone not with the group would be older by that number of years when the skip is over. This may affect people's future plans, and if that is going to be a problem then the skip can be delayed some time (even several threads, to put it near the end of the PtH chapters). The purpose of this skip is to leap over the twenty years required for the Holocaust timeline to end. (plus it's an interesting story idea.)

Just something to think about.

Also, everyone with their own story ideas may be interested to know that while I have (most of) the next PtH chapter planned out, (more details on this later), the chapter after that, Admiral and I have planned absolutely nothing for. (I have a couple ideas, but they could just be subplots.)



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Old 11-11-2004, 02:50 PM   #191
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Hmmmmmmm, Allessa and Hal need to stay together.

I was going to have Drago and his two mates dropped off.

That is, of course, unless everyone votes that he's so cool he has to stay!

I have something that needs doing before any time skips, it will probably involve a two day jaunt, depending on how fast the Asgardried is.


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BD. The Asgardried is to put it simply the fastest ship in the galaxy. The Slipstream drive is far faster then hyperspace.

Doesn't mean that the ship will be going where you want though.


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I want Tanara's sister introduced before the time skip... she's gotta be younger than Tanara at all times... just gotta be that way, ok? Things won't work if it's not that way.


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Old 11-11-2004, 09:11 PM   #194
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BD. The Asgardried is to put it simply the fastest ship in the galaxy. The Slipstream drive is far faster then hyperspace.

Doesn't mean that the ship will be going where you want though.
Not necessarily. Warp-space travel can be far faster. On the other hand it can be slower...it's less predictable.

BD: I think it could be really interesting if Drago stayed with the group, for the time being at least.

wildjedi: I figured as much, which is why I'm mentioning this now. (Maybe I ought to just put 'Do we time-skip now or later?' up to a vote next thread )


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Red, the time skip doesn't have to be delayed long... just a few posts into the next chapter even... as long as it takes me to confirm that Tanara's sister (called Elaina, BTW) is going along with her sister... I've got a little plan for the two of them... if you want the details so you can plan it into the thread, PM me.


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The problem is I have an army of what amounts to mad Saxo-Celtoi-Vikings. If I don't give them some leadership they'll, well..... Viking.


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Old 11-12-2004, 10:34 AM   #197
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F***, let BD's forces join up with what remains of the Aesir forces for the duration of when the group is outside the dimension

IE: Drago and Allessa and Vidar (maybe??? i donno ^_^) come up with an agreement, due to the fact that the Sith armies are so large, and BD's and Admiral's armies basically have the same goal. reguardless of the situations, and/or opinions on how 'fit' each other's armies are (size and how trained they are...)


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Red, the time skip doesn't have to be delayed long... just a few posts into the next chapter even... as long as it takes me to confirm that Tanara's sister (called Elaina, BTW) is going along with her sister... I've got a little plan for the two of them... if you want the details so you can plan it into the thread, PM me.
The time skip won't happen, if it does happen next thread, until at least midway through the plotline. I'm guessing you mean the dimension jump?

BD: Would that be such a bad thing?

("You've been viking again, haven't you? I can tell by your hat.")

Oh, and just so you know Scar, the remainder of the Aesir's forces will be going along with the group across dimensions at this point, subject to Admiral's final decision.


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BD: I wonder if Drago will remember what he told Vidar when he first arrived on the planet.

Scar: Only a handful of Aesir are going to survive the encounter, and they are staying on the Asgardried which will be crossing dimensions.

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and going viking means going on a voyage nothing about raiding and plundering. Although I have to wonder why these goodguys would be plundering in the first place.


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I know what it meant, I just don't understand why it's a bad thing for the story. This is about the end of the universe, and BD's forces will not survive it anyway.


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