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Old 11-27-2004, 01:50 PM   #41
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Blizzard has made every single game as a quality epic that they spend a huge amount of time and resources in creating.

Look at Warcraft 3 as an example they spent at least 3 YEARS creating it propably 7 since I'm not sure when WC2 came out.


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Old 11-27-2004, 01:58 PM   #42
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Not really. They don't spend 7 years working on a game. They stopped the WarCraft serie after the ex-pac for WarCraft 2 only to restart it later.


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Old 11-27-2004, 03:13 PM   #43
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You have to have a real acquired taste for WC3. I don't really like the game myself because of the micro wars it requires to be any good in multiplayer.


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Old 11-27-2004, 03:49 PM   #44
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Well I thought they might have been working on it since then I'm not sure when they started it.

I like WC3 because it requires alot of micro skill to be good at it you could say it's Micro practise.


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Old 11-27-2004, 06:33 PM   #45
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I never said Blizzard makes bad games per se. I personally don't like them, but thats just my opinion. I will more than willingly concede that StarCraft is one of the best RTSs ever made, its just that I don't like it. However, my biases aside, I cannot possibly imagine Blizzard's formula fitting with a SW RTS. A good SW RTS has to have the epic feel, something that none of Blizard's games, even StarCraft, quite accomplished. That epic feel comes from controlling large armies that march across vast swaths of land. Star Wars isn't about minor skirmishes, its about large scale battles. And the cartoony graphics do not fit. It would just ruin the illusion that you are playing the movie. Im not saying that the cartoony graphics are ugly, some of the stuff I've seen in WoW, atleast in terms of the environments, is insane. It just would ruin the Star Wars atmosphere.

Anyways, I doubt Blizzard will be making any RTS's from their own IP's in the near future, not to mention making one for some one else. With the genre growing anemic and the team that pioneered their first RTS's gone after TFT, they are smartly milking their RTS franchises from afar w/ WoW and SCG. And a game like WoW requires a lot of continued dedication and support that it would be difficult to make another game along with it. EA will probably do the same thing with C&C, although they can afford to do whatever they please.

The truth is that the RTS is a dying genre. Look at what RTS's are announced to be coming out after this year. You have SSS's last ditch effort to undo two bombed games with EE2 and you have our untitled and barely announced game. Add in whatever the hell ES is working on (prolly AoE3) since they are the only member of the Big Three who only makes RTSs, although even they are trying to expand horizons if the RTS market falls out (this is pure speculation, but I'd be willing to bet that their other non-RTS project is a FPS-ish game for Xenon, they've been hiring people from iD, Valve and Retro). So that makes a sequel to a disappointing game from a disappointing company and two purely speculative projects. Pretty impressive

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Old 11-27-2004, 06:54 PM   #46
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Getting back onto topic, i still say the game should be Ground-based RTS with an optional Space RTT.

In terms of having both, can you guys imagine how long a singlewould take if you had to play both Space and Ground? Or how much memory would have to be used up? Frankly, i cant see a combined Space and Ground RTS being viable for quite a while.


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Old 12-11-2004, 09:50 AM   #47
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As they are making a age of empires 3 maybe they will use a similar engine for this (as galactic battlegrounds was based on a similar way as AOE 2). so it is likly to be ground combat. I would prefer this rather than a space combat.

If they do make one with both they should do a TBS and a RTS mix with the turn based stratergy in space and the real time on ground when you attack planets on the TBS stratergy.
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Old 12-11-2004, 11:07 AM   #48
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TBS is evil it shouldn't be in a SW game it'd break up the momentum.


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Old 12-11-2004, 06:58 PM   #49
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Actually, that is a good suggestion. For example, the 'Total War' series uses TBS for the strategic level, as does 'Star Trek: Birth of the Federation'.


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Old 12-12-2004, 02:47 AM   #50
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Having both is a long way off. Also there making a new game using the generals/B4ME engine based in the Red alert universe. The time of the scud storm and balrog is over time to return to the silo and weather machine.


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Old 12-12-2004, 03:44 AM   #51
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RA3 being created is old news, I also fail to see the relevance especially when the next Star Wars RTS will be out first.


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Old 12-12-2004, 06:34 PM   #52
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Nothing was official about a new Red Alert game more like speculation, same with the new AOE nothing but speculation. We were talking about engines just stating what engine they will be using.


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Old 12-13-2004, 01:21 AM   #53
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It's supposed to be yet another revamped version of the SAGE engine which I have heard some people describe as the most under-optimised engine ever.

I think they should bring back the sidebar that was a lot better.


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Old 12-13-2004, 03:04 AM   #54
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Anyways we should get back on topic.....

Moderators are being real tough on us lately even though without us this forum would be dead.

I just hope they don't build this RTS up to be great just to disappoint us in the end so I'm hoping it will be better than SWGB cause thats the bar I'm setting.


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Old 12-13-2004, 03:05 AM   #55
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I just pray they don't rush it. The game is for 2005 and I don't want to see it rushed for the DVD release of EP3 or something like that.


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Old 12-13-2004, 03:27 AM   #56
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I've said elsewhere that the game will end up being delayed till early 2006 especially since in the games industry Release Dates are a slippery concept.


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Old 12-13-2004, 03:29 AM   #57
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They rushed Battlefront to coincide with the (un)original trilogy DVDs, so I can see the same happening with other releases.
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Old 12-13-2004, 05:41 AM   #58
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Moderators are being real tough on us lately even though without us this forum would be dead.
Spamming isn't keeping the forum "alive." Which is what was going on in that other thread.


As for the next RTS, as long as it's fun, and it's out before I turn old.
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Old 12-13-2004, 05:48 AM   #59
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That was way off topic.

though Saber to be fair though Lucasarts farmed this one out and they'll want a good job done of it for a change since most of their offerings left quite a lot to be desired and this is Lucasarts not Petroglyph.


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Old 12-13-2004, 06:04 AM   #60
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That is quite amusing considering your posts.

As for the actual topic, I still hope for a Homeworld 2 or even a Star Trek Armada 2 type space RTS.
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Old 12-13-2004, 06:07 AM   #61
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I think the industry has evolved enough to try a mix of ground and Space RTS.

Phreak I'm insulted me off Topic? I've always tried to link things I say to the topic.


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Old 01-02-2005, 07:32 AM   #62
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it will be space and ground acording to Petroglyph
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