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Old 03-22-2006, 03:58 PM   #41
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Not actually. You should still be able to train him pretty quickly. Just follow the LS walkthrough for him. You'll pick up some LS points, but you'll be able to train him after 2 conversations. Doing this should not conflict with any of the other NPCs during the DS walkthrough. Just make sure that you ignore the first Bao-Dur decrease listed in the DS walkthrough (military base on Telos).
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Old 04-09-2006, 12:13 PM   #42
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Amazing job Achilles! I've just been converting the walkthrough and the xls file into html for the website (not live yet) and I can just appreciate even more the quality of your work and the hours you must have spent doing this
Will there be any chance of you releasing your guide in .txt format (as opposed to .xls)?
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It would be pretty hard to read and you wouldn't be able to use any of the sort features (which is specifically why I used Excel). If you don't have Excel, you should find a link to the Excel view directly beneath the download link. If you don't use Windows, then I guess you're on your own for finding a viewer. Sorry.
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It would be pretty hard to read and you wouldn't be able to use any of the sort features (which is specifically why I used Excel). If you don't have Excel, you should find a link to the Excel view directly beneath the download link. If you don't use Windows, then I guess you're on your own for finding a viewer. Sorry.
I have excel, but I guess you're right. I asked because spreadsheets are difficult to print to refer to later in the game. Thanks anyway {snip} Achilles! *



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Old 04-17-2006, 12:19 PM   #45
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OK, this came off the kotorfanmedia boards and it was too amusing not to share.
On the "Books never written by kotor characters" thread was found (among others like 'Learning to trust in 10 easy steps by Carth Onasi' and 'Lightsabers 101 by Bao-Dur')


' "How to win friends and gain influence - the essential guide to speaking to party members" by The Exile '


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Old 04-28-2006, 02:53 PM   #46
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heh heh. maybe a mod could even make up a similar face set up i.e colour wise. that would rock great guide btw, just spent most of this evenin reading it. thumbs up.
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Old 06-11-2006, 07:42 PM   #47
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Hey! Great job man! Haha, i wish i had this the first 2 times i played through the game!! Keep up the good work!!!
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Old 06-19-2006, 05:38 PM   #48
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My influence with HK is at 100, but there is only one possible lesson for killing Jedi. I think you were mistaken about the rewards. Here is why. When you ask him about killing Jedi "I need to know, to protect myself.", he begins to tell you what weapons to use. Follow that dialogue tree to it's end, "What do you mean?", and you get the Wis bonus and Will save bonus. Then ask, "You seem to have thought this through.", and you get the Constitution and Reflex bonus. That is it.

You only get +1 Wis, +1 Con. Not +2 of each. Either that or the dialogue tree is not coming up for lesson #2. If you could show me a dialogue script for what I am missing, if anything, or take some still shots of dialogue for a second Jedi lesson, I would be grateful.
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Old 06-20-2006, 01:22 PM   #49
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Sounds like you're missing the 2nd tree. It's been so long that I don't remember the exact option, but I'm pretty sure that it's a continuation of the first. If you have DLGEditor you can open up HK47.dlg and check for yourself, otherwise I'll try to remember to look when I get home.

EDIT: BTW, I've always gotten both bonuses, so I know they're there.
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Old 06-21-2006, 09:21 AM   #50
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Alright. I'd appreciate it if you check when you get home. It is really a pain in the ass not getting both of the bonuses, and I don't have the DLGEditor, and even if I did, I probably would not know how to use it.

Edit: Does anyone have an answer? I have been nothing but stumped this far.

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Old 07-13-2006, 11:59 AM   #51
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This walkthrough is brilliant, as is the "Complete Influence Guide" Excel data file, which is exceptionally detailed. The only thing I have not been able to achieve is to gain influence with atton with the following line on the "Places" section:

"Dantooine
601DAN
Khoonda Plains
Atton
mechanic.dlg
An Old Mechanic
INC
[Persuade] You shouldn't keep your frustrations bottled inside.
Yeah, sometimes it seems nothing works around here. But I don't have time to complain. Too much work to do!"

Sorry if that format is confusing, I copied it straight from the spreadsheet, but basically its gaining influence with Atton over the Old Mechanic next to the Ebon Hawk by noticing how "Busy" he is. I have never been able to achieve this with Atton, but I have with Kriea. I have the PC version of the game, so Im wondering if this is an XBox only thing or yet another bug in the game... or if other people actually get this, and if so how. I have enough awareness to notice he is busy, and I have tried with only Atton in my party and others in the party as well.

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Old 07-13-2006, 08:59 PM   #52
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Is Atton already at 100? If so, the influence increase won't show. I've seen it before (with both Kreia and Atton in my party) so I know that it works. Not sure if it's buggy or if there is another condition that is required though.
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Old 07-15-2006, 12:55 PM   #53
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Hes not 100% and It doesnt show anything (after the mechanic tells you about the troubles, it jumps to Exiles questions of "whats wrong with the droids" etc. Kriea definately says something before it jumps to the Exile, as she says something along the lines of "being able to extract info from the weak minded". Now when Atton is in my party (alone or with people), it jumps straight to me {i.e. his lines are skipped} )

I think its a bug, because normally you can see what the last comment is from an NPC's conversation before you respond at the top of the screen, this time there is no comment, so maybe there is a scripting bug, among the many bugs already in this game...

Thanks for your input Achilles, and your guide


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Old 08-01-2006, 12:28 PM   #54
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Great walkthrough Achilles, just a couple of questions though:

I followed your instructions re: T3-M4 as a lighside Jedi to the letter, yet the option "How did you get here T3?" never came up.. I'm now on Onderon, is that option totally gone now? Also, I've done all the computer and repair bonuses, but I lack influence for the final computer/repair unlock which will net me the +1 wis and stuff. Is there anything else I can do to get influence with him?

Also, is there any advantage to maxing out influence with party members? Because I've already converted all that can be converted into jedi but I don't think I've hit the 100 mark.

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Old 08-01-2006, 03:58 PM   #55
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The dialogue with T3 requires a 16 in Intelligence, and some ability in computer skill. As for influence, not really I don't think, beyond turning characters into Jedi or hearing their story, it affects their FP cost when using Force powers. If you've already made the final checks, they should be over 90% influence anyway. If you have mastery either direction, they should be close. They won't ever get the mastery bonus, though it might show up on the character screen.
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Old 08-01-2006, 04:01 PM   #56
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oh, thanks slaytan. im sure that i'll pass any computer/repair skill check, but about the 16 int, can that be boosted? I have a natural int of 14, could I maybe use master aura or some int-boosting item and get the dialogue option?
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Old 08-01-2006, 06:01 PM   #57
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Yes, you can use equipment to boost your Int to do it. Not many items do that though. A Mental Boost implant, or Ossus Keepers Robes will give you the extra two points to accomplish it. There is no influence check required either. Usually I use that dialogue to help gain or lose influence for the repair/ computer checks.
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Old 08-01-2006, 07:26 PM   #58
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The Valor line of force powers will boost your stats. Many of the "techie" belts and gloves also boost INT. Not to mention the other items that slaytan listed above.
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Old 08-02-2006, 12:41 AM   #59
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thanks guys. I had kreia cast master valor then ran into the ebon hawk to talk to T3 to get the intelligence conversation then gained enougfh influence during it to unlock the final bonus.
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Old 08-02-2006, 05:44 AM   #60
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another question: I followed the influence guide re: HK to the letter and got all the influence reductions, but after the last one, the sullustan with the hydrospanner in dantooine, I still have insufficient influence for him to train me in killing jedi. is there something else i have to do?
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Old 08-02-2006, 07:04 PM   #61
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I tried the same thing with HK, and I gained influence there, and by selling the atmospheric sensors for 3000. Totally negating my previous losses. Could this be something that's different between an X-Box and the PC? I was hoping to find a way to make the last check as a light character myself.
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Old 08-03-2006, 05:53 AM   #62
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@Enagonios: IIRC the dialog option that opens that branch is pretty much buried. You might have to "dig around" a little to get there.

@slaytan: I think Enagonios is referencing the LS walkthrough, where the PC tries to lose influence with HK. It sounds as though you're trying to gain influence with him. Are you following the LS guide or the DS guide?
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Old 08-03-2006, 10:38 AM   #63
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thanks, by opening up the new dialog options i got enough influence for him to train me. But are you sure about the +2 wis? Around halfway through the conversation I think I got a bonus to saves and more force points and then towards the end I got +1 to wis and maybe some other stuff.
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Old 08-03-2006, 12:18 PM   #64
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See posts #48 and 49 in this thread.
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Old 08-03-2006, 06:26 PM   #65
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I followed your LS guide to the letter, at least where HK-47 is concerned, and both of the final two spots where I was supposed to lose influence turned out to be gains. He didn't sound happy, but the screen showed "Influence Gained: HK-47". I am playing on an X-Box, I don't know if that makes a difference. I had already made the influence check to find out he used to belong to Revan, but after that, he wouldn't even talk to me about that anymore, let alone the lines that give me the Wisdom boosts.
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Old 08-03-2006, 07:17 PM   #66
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Hmmm, sounds as though it must be a glitch in the xbox version.
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Old 08-28-2006, 12:00 PM   #67
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Thanks for this fantastic guide, I think he'll be very useful for me ^^ .

Just a little question : When we are playing a LS Female Character, there is a opportunity to lose INF with Kreia which disappears : the one when Handamaiden comes on the EH and we have to ask to Kreia why she doesn't like her.

So, is a 10-Influence sufficient to ask her about Revan, or have we to go down to 02 ? I hope I won't have to...

Thanks again for this guide, I haven't any problem to understand what I have to do (even the translators tried to ).


EDIT : Yes, there is a solution ^^ Speaking about Visas with Kreia and INF decrease like with the Handmaiden.

There is something to correct : To get the Bastila/Carth holo with T3, you need 14 (or 15 or 16 I don't remember ) for Intelligence and 15 (not 10) for Computer Use.
Otherwise you make the little droid suffer a lot :'( ...


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Old 09-02-2006, 11:28 PM   #68
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I had trouble figuring out what to do at 10 inf with HK too. The lightside walkthru doesn't tell you to get that last drop to 2. You'll have to dig but eventually you can say to him, "I can't allow you to remain on this ship if you've killed Jedi.". This will allow you to respond with, "How can you respect death on such a scale?". That will get you the last inf decrese you need with him.

In regards to the rewards for HK -
After scouring the dialog tree for HK, I couldn't find where you can get the extra +1 con/wis. The first lesson triggers the script "a_hk47jedixpaw1" which gives +1 reflex + 1 con (the +1 wis +10 force points is commented out); The second lesson triggers the script "a_hk47jedixpaw2" which gives +1 wis +10 force points (the +1 con +1 reflex is commented out). I see no way to trigger these scripts more than once each (unless I'm missing something that will reset the global variable allowing you to get these dialog option again). If some versions of the game don't have the extra bonuses commented out, then you would recieve the double whammy. It would be interesting to know if that is the case.
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Old 09-03-2006, 05:51 AM   #69
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I did'nt have any problem with HK... I just had to discuss with him to get the last INF decrease (02), then I asked him "Why didn't Revan consider the Republic as a threat ?" and I finally get the "If i have to kill a Jedi, how shoul I do ?" (smtg like that). I had an INF of 10 at this moment, so he refused to speak. Then I explored each other dialog options, to lose INF, and I repeated my question.
I let him doing his statement, and I received the first reward. I asked him to continue and after another statement I received the second one.

That's all I can say... It was automatic with me, so I hope you'll find... :/


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Old 09-18-2006, 09:51 PM   #70
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Thank you for your hard work...very much. I already ran this through about 3 times.

A little reminder: If you accidently interrupts the initial conversation with Visas Marr before she can speak about her people, then unfortunately, she will NOT gain Force Sight ability, therefore you can NOT gain it from her. So be sure to pay full attention to initial conversations with any NPCs. (A painful experience for my 3rd time, which I got Force Sight for 1st and 2nd time. But I clicked too fast, so I missed that special ability.)




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Thank you for your hard work...very much. I already ran this through about 3 times.

A little reminder: If you accidently interrupts the initial conversation with Visas Marr before she can speak about her people, then unfortunately, she will NOT gain Force Sight ability, therefore you can NOT gain it from her. So be sure to pay full attention to initial conversations with any NPCs. (A painful experience for my 3rd time, which I got Force Sight for 1st and 2nd time. But I clicked too fast, so I missed that special ability.)

Actually there is a fix for this at Team Gizka.

http://www.team-gizka.org/downloads.html#fixes


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Actually there is a fix for this at Team Gizka.

http://www.team-gizka.org/downloads.html#fixes

O h***, I didn't know that is a bug...I thought it's a trick...Thanks a lot!




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Old 09-19-2006, 12:06 AM   #73
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O h***, I didn't know that is a bug...I thought it's a trick...Thanks a lot!
Glad I could be of help.


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Old 09-26-2006, 12:44 PM   #74
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I've been following this guide and have got as far as narr shadar. Have just done the enforcers event with Boa Dour but i didn't get the option to train him, i instaled the remote influence mod, and it seems im missing about 16 influence for him. Anybody know how i can get him up without restarting? It's really bugging me as i've played through a few time and would really like to get him trained up for the first time
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I've been following this guide and have got as far as Nar Shaddaa. I Have just done the enforcers event with Boa Dur but I didn't get the option to train him, I installed the remote influence mod, and it seems I'm missing about 16 influence for him. Anybody know how i can get him up without restarting? It's really bugging me as I've played through a few time and would really like to get him trained up for the first time
What was you influence when you landed on Nar Shaddaa?

Always make multiple saves in different slots. Even though I have completed the game several times. I still make ~25 permanent saves per game.


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Old 10-08-2006, 04:58 PM   #76
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I have a question for the Xbox version. how do i tell the percentage of influence i have with a character?
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Old 02-02-2007, 08:32 PM   #77
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Sounds like you're missing the 2nd tree. It's been so long that I don't remember the exact option, but I'm pretty sure that it's a continuation of the first. If you have DLGEditor you can open up HK47.dlg and check for yourself, otherwise I'll try to remember to look when I get home.

EDIT: BTW, I've always gotten both bonuses, so I know they're there.
I think I found the second one. It seems to be activated after:

spoiler:
You run into Darth Sion on Korriban. The dialogue tree seems to be how to deal with Jedi/Sith that just won't die.


There are two points in the first bit of dialogue that mention bonuses, one mentioning a reflex type bonus and the other mentioning wisdom and constitution bonuses. Both award 1000exp (I think) since I ended up with 2000exp after I finished speaking with HK-47.

EDIT: To clarify, after I got the 2000exp, the bonus on constitution and wisdom were only +1 each. So I'll have to wait until after the part in the spoilers to see what happens.


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I don't remember there being a conditional, but I may have just missed it. If you can confirm it, I'll add it to the walkthrough and give you credit. Thanks!
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Old 03-31-2007, 10:24 AM   #79
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Hey, man, that was awesome! A really nice job, I can make out that you spent a lot of time on this!

Only one thing; when you said the pros for having influence, it would help to also include the information that you get from them.

Other than that, great job!
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here is the deal with bao-dur the best thing for a fully corrupted one is this:do all the light side influence things with him to get max influence take the sith lord prestige class (furthers dark side corruption on all party members) and do the infinite dark side point glitch by breaking han harr's will over and over again to get back to full dark side points and make up for the light side shifts with bao-dur if you do this he gets the full face tatts of a dark sider zabrak (sith tattoos) and parts of his face do turn red in between the black (red diamond on fore head red marks on cheeks etc..) after this he is non influence able anyway so just use your full party dark side shift to keep him that way I had every one including the t3 unit max dark side the only one not was the un affectable kriea who stays grey no matter what(RAAAA) hope this helps on that aspect at least
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