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Old 11-21-2005, 04:45 PM   #1
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Future?

Future?

Well, in spite of having some work to be finished for to-morrow, and since lately my [Monday-Thursday] life seems to revolve around this forum, I decided to start a new thread. This one’s not going to be about a game developing company (which is quite insignificant to me anyway) or that sort o’ stuff, but about a more vital matter.

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Where do you think this world of ours will lead us to? How do you imagine the world to be in, persay 50-100 years? In other words, what does the future behold for us?
I’d like to hear your thoughts about what will occur with the ever-evolving technology; the constantly-changing climate; the continuous conflicts between different cultures and even different ideas; the two sides of globalisation; increasing/decreasing population; astronomy and space imperialism; society as a whole; (and the usual) etc.


Fritz Lang's Metropolis

Many things have been said about the future, there are new programmes being developed, like MERLIN, which claim to predict the future. And, while most see advance and greatness a few of us have grim expectations (lately it seems as if most are inclined to think this way).

Enough with the tedious monologue; what are your beliefs?
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Old 11-21-2005, 05:48 PM   #2
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While I didn't believe it at first, Terence McKenna's Timewave Zero Theory is beginning to seem more and more likely to me.

Basically it has to do with the I-Ching, which has always surprised scientists with how much some of the concepts actually work. Tao, which is sort of the force which decides the difference between times where invention and innovation are booming (renaissance), which McKenna then sort of renamed Novelty, and times where there's a dead still and very little is being produced, which he called Habit. He and some colleages kind of worked certain formulas and "mapped" Tao for when is grows and when is contracts. The thing is, as time moves on, the wavelengths become much shorter.

A lot of it is mathematic stuff I don't really understand. But basically he set out this graph that found when the "omega point" will occur, which is basically the exact time the Tao will reach this sort of crescendo and never contract again. This omega point supposedly occurs on December 21, 2012. The basic way to say it is "all things imaginable with occur simultaneously". This could mean a billion things. Here are just few speculations:

1. The world will end (which is the main thought).
2. Time travel is discovered, causing time to longer move linearly.
3. Man and machine will create a symbiosis, meaning we won't know where our nervous system ends and the internet begins. You'll be sitting at home wondering the menu at a certain restaurant, and you wouldn't have to look it up on the internet, because by the time you've had the thought, the menu will already be in your hands.
4. Most unlikely, of course, the Arthur C. Clarke's Childhood's End sort of thing. An Alien race comes to Earth and speeds us up so much in technology there will no longer be innovation.

This all seemed pretty far-fetched to me at first. But think about how fast technology is going; how much invention is accelerating. Because of factors like the internet, times are speeding up so much than when they used to. The difference between 1810 and 1830 seems to be just as big of a difference as 2000 and 2005. I mean, there's got to be a point where it accelerates so much it sort reaches an event horizon or something like that.

I've still got my doubts, but you can't disregard the fact it does seem quite possible.


There's no earthly way of knowing which direction we are going. There's no knowing where we're rowing or which way the river's flowing. Is it raining? Is it snowing? Is a hurricane a-blowing? Not a speck of light is showing, so the danger must be growing. Are the fires of hell a-glowing? Is the grisly reaper mowing? Yes, the danger must be growing 'cause the rowers keep on rowing, and they're certainly not showing any signs that they are slowing. AAAGGHHH!!!
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Old 11-21-2005, 06:02 PM   #3
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Well...not the kind of answer I was expecting, but still amazingly interesting. I must admit, I enjoy your posts quite a lot.
I'll put on a decent reply to my thread as soon as I get my ideas organised.

For the time being, I agree with the "technology is moving fast" point. Most of the poeple I know mock at me for the fact that I do not trust technology; I believe the human race has become so much used to depending on it that if for some reason we were to live without it (apocalypse; war; et cetera) we would not be able to endure/survive. With me, it's pretty much the paranoia which "2001: A space odyssey" shows, having a computer intelligent enough to try to take over the crew. [I'm very paranoid, yes]

Again, I'll post a decent reply later on. Basically, I do not expect much from the future, but destruction, sorrow, and hunger. I diverge with most common beliefs; like being able to travel throughout space, I think it's highly unlikely to happen. Keep in mind I am a fatalist, though.

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Old 11-21-2005, 07:33 PM   #4
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Destruction, sorrow, and hunger? Sounds like a democrat. I'm a democrat too, mostly, but still all my liberal friends and their pessimism bug the crap out of me. That's the problem with democrats in the US. It's all "Perhaps we should try to overthrow the Bush admistration. On the other hand, it's pointless cause we're all doomed anyway."

Sorry, rant over. Humans can be very stupid, but I still don't doubt my hopes. I'm the kind of guy argues with their English teacher on the subject of how full of **** William Golding is. Humans can do evil things, but I just plain don't believe that humans are naturally evil. I get this from going concerts or hanging out at an all-night diner at 3:00 am; strangers are cool.

However, technological dependency is a different thing. But that's something I often think about. If I were to seclude myself from civilisation, how would I do? I'm still not sure. I think I could do it, but it's a lot easier to say it than do it.

Computer intellegence is an excellent topic. I think science fiction still hasn't firmly came up with a plausible idea for it. If they were to form their own identities and intellegence, they would be as different from humans that humans are from cockroaches. They learn 5,000 times faster than we do, and we would NEVER be able to find out how their thought processes work, because you'd have to be superintellegent to understand a superintellegence...ho ho.

But my previous post sort of tells how I feel about the future, which is I'm really not sure. But, just in the case the world does end in 2012, I'm gonna make the most of the time I have. If it doesn't end, and I'm an optimist as usual.


There's no earthly way of knowing which direction we are going. There's no knowing where we're rowing or which way the river's flowing. Is it raining? Is it snowing? Is a hurricane a-blowing? Not a speck of light is showing, so the danger must be growing. Are the fires of hell a-glowing? Is the grisly reaper mowing? Yes, the danger must be growing 'cause the rowers keep on rowing, and they're certainly not showing any signs that they are slowing. AAAGGHHH!!!
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Old 11-21-2005, 08:01 PM   #5
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The Mayan Holy Number 1,366,560 days, known as the birth of Venus and the basis of their calendar, indicates ancient knowledge of sun spot cycles and their effect on the human race. They explore the popular myth of Quetzalcoatl and its origins in Maya ideas concerning the sun cycle.

They show the links between the pre-Columbian civilizations of Central America and the Old World, in particular Egypt. Examining the archaeological record, they find further evidence for linking the origins of Mayan civilization with the mythical lost continent of Atlantis, which according to Plato was destroyed in a series of catastrophes.

They reveal that the Mayan calendar prophesies the end of our own "Age of the Jaguar", the fifth and final "sun" in 2012 AD. This, according to Cotterell's sun-spot theories, will be brought about by a sudden reversal in the earth's magnetic field.
I had to put this, it's the GF forums after all.
Once again, two sources which claim the world will end in 2012. Better get ready for it...

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Destruction, sorrow, and hunger? Sounds like a democrat. I'm a democrat too, mostly, but still all my liberal friends and their pessimism bug the crap out of me.
How many times do I have to say this: I am not a pessimist, I am a realist! (which is pretty much the same). The glass may be half empty for me, but the world ain't getting any better.
On a side note, my outsider point of view always told me that Democrats and Republicans were pretty much the same :P
But yes, I "lean to the left" on those issues.

I do not think the human race is evil by nature; unfortunately, the claims of many make people think this way. You always hear how doctrines like Socialism wouldn't work, simply because people are too ambitious/sellfish and all that kind of silly allegations.


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Computer intellegence is an excellent topic. I think science fiction still hasn't firmly came up with a plausible idea for it. If they were to form their own identities and intellegence, they would be as different from humans that humans are from cockroaches. They learn 5,000 times faster than we do, and we would NEVER be able to find out how their thought processes work, because you'd have to be superintellegent to understand a superintellegence...ho ho.
Agreed. That is why 'I am scared of them' on a way. I firmly believe that that day will come on which the machine will overrule the human, and we will be forced to end this by "pulling the plug"; thus, we would have to get rid of all electric and artificial objects, and we will be doomed to re-start as a civilization.
Either that or climate change. For instance, my country keeps getting hotter, 3 years ago, our school made us change to the "summer uniform" by mid November; the past year, mid October; this year (2005) mid August.

Once again, you'll have to wait for a clear explanation of my views (i.e. tomorrow)

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Old 11-21-2005, 10:03 PM   #6
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I had to put this, it's the GF forums after all.
Once again, two sources which claim the world will end in 2012. Better get ready for it...
That date does seem to appear in many apocalyptic prophesies, doesn't it? Its even more intriguing that the basis for these projections are so scientifically backed, you know? I agree: better saddle up for it.

Of course, the possibilities laid out JofaGuht are (like he said) far-fetched, though not totally un-feasible considering the leaps in technology we've made over the past decade. For instance, how exactly would the world end? The concepts are limitless, and none are particularly hard to grasp: We could, for instance, simultaneously discover and set off a more ferocious type of atomic bomb. Or maybe it's war.

I'm personally against the theory (for self-preservation's sake, of course ). But we'll just have to wait and see, eh? Regardless, it's going to be a very interesting year, just from the tension that builds from these sorts of predictions.

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Old 11-22-2005, 02:11 PM   #7
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But it might not necessarily mean the end of the world. It's just the creschendo and "event horizon" of Novelty. It could mean the end of the world, but there could be many results from having so much growth at once there is no longer growth. Could mean the end of the spiral; could also mean the spiral will turn into a line.

Terence McKenna was a pretty smart guy...I've agreed with many of his theories. But there's been wonderfully intellegent people who've worked with theories that have meant absolutely nothing. And he did often say that he hopes and does not disregard the possibility that he's completely wrong, but then again the theory was strong enough that he kept it with him for twenty years.

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How many times do I have to say this: I am not a pessimist, I am a realist!
You have to say that as many times I've called someone else a pessimist and they came up with the exact same response. (Mind you, this is with simpler topics, such as "if we drive downtown tonight we're all gonna die." which is much more absurd, no?)

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The glass may be half empty for me, but the world ain't getting any better.
It's not necessarily getting any worse either. There's always been "ebbs and flows" when it comes to the state of the world. Times when it's awful, and times when there's more hope than war, and creativity and technology leans toward the side of good. Now, we're in an awful phase, but the world's gone through worse.

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Once again, you'll have to wait for a clear explanation of my views (i.e. tomorrow)
Shall look forward.


There's no earthly way of knowing which direction we are going. There's no knowing where we're rowing or which way the river's flowing. Is it raining? Is it snowing? Is a hurricane a-blowing? Not a speck of light is showing, so the danger must be growing. Are the fires of hell a-glowing? Is the grisly reaper mowing? Yes, the danger must be growing 'cause the rowers keep on rowing, and they're certainly not showing any signs that they are slowing. AAAGGHHH!!!
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Old 11-22-2005, 03:47 PM   #8
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That date does seem to appear in many apocalyptic prophesies, doesn't it? Its even more intriguing that the basis for these projections are so scientifically backed, you know? I agree: better saddle up for it.
A couple of facts:
-December 21 - End of the great cycle of the Maya calendar's Long Count and a 26,000 year planetary cycle in the Aztec calendar, and thus the alleged end of our world (the end of the cycle is dated December 22 or December 23 by some calculations).
-The Orion Prophecy predicts the end of the world in 2012 EC (or AD, whatever)
-Terrence MacKenna’s Timewave Zero theory; again December 21, 2012, not necessarily end of the world, but still.
-The Egyptian calendar ends in 2012.
-The Olduvai cliff will begin and permanent blackouts will occur worldwide, according to "The Peak of World Oil Production and the Road To The Olduvai Gorge" by Richard C. Duncan.
-Tibetan Monks specialising in remote viewing predict that divine extra-terrestrials will intervene at a point where the world's governments are about to deploy weapons of mass destruction. Adding to this, the Tibetan Monks say that the world is not ready to be destroyed and that our Earth is blessed and being saved continuously from all kinds of hazards that Mankind is not even aware of.
-According to the 1997 book The Bible Code the world will end due to a collision with a meteor, asteroid or comet. -Nostradamus (In my opinion, a crtic of the 16th Century, who disguised his works as prophecies), said the same; 2012.
-Interpreted by millennialists as a time when there will be an evolutionary change in human consciousness brought about by a series of world changing events or revelations. Following this period of upheaval they believe we will begin a new 1,000 year cycle in which peace, enlightenment and our environment take priority.
-43 more reason for the world to end on 21.12.12.

I must admit, I’m quite excited by this now. I’ve got that kind of “I know this ain’t true, but nevertheless it is still interesting” feeling; it is amazing what you can learn after a small discussion.

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You have to say that as many times I've called someone else a pessimist and they came up with the exact same response. (Mind you, this is with simpler topics, such as "if we drive downtown tonight we're all gonna die." which is much more absurd, no?)
Well, I am a pessimist then. But still there is a positive side of it. Suppose you give an exam which you thought you did not do well; two things can happen then:
-Either you get a bad mark, and since you were expecting it, you won’t be disappointed.
-Or, you get a good mark; you would then be quite happy, and “will promise to study more for the next time”.
If you are an optimist, you will not be as happy if you get a good mark, and will be deeply diasppointed with yourself if you don’t.
It is stupid, but it's just an example of the everyday life.

As said by the great Ambrose Bierce:
OPTIMIST, n. A proponent of the doctrine that black is white.
A pessimist applied to God for relief.
"Ah, you wish me to restore your hope and cheerfulness," said God.
"No," replied the petitioner, "I wish you to create something that
would justify them."
"The world is all created," said God, "but you have overlooked
something -- the mortality of the optimist."


PESSIMISM, n. A philosophy forced upon the convictions of the
observer by the disheartening prevalence of the optimist with his
scarecrow hope and his unsightly smile.


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It's not necessarily getting any worse either. There's always been "ebbs and flows" when it comes to the state of the world. Times when it's awful, and times when there's more hope than war, and creativity and technology leans toward the side of good. Now, we're in an awful phase, but the world's gone through worse.
That is discussible I guess…


And, I forgot to mention, that I feel the same about Strangers. I think I mentioned it in the anecdote I told at the Simultaneously Restless and Exhausted thread.

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Old 11-23-2005, 03:45 PM   #9
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I think it comes to this saying: "Hope for the best, prepare for the worst".

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Lol. Poor Terry and his endless association with psychedelic drugs overshadowing his actual theories....


There's no earthly way of knowing which direction we are going. There's no knowing where we're rowing or which way the river's flowing. Is it raining? Is it snowing? Is a hurricane a-blowing? Not a speck of light is showing, so the danger must be growing. Are the fires of hell a-glowing? Is the grisly reaper mowing? Yes, the danger must be growing 'cause the rowers keep on rowing, and they're certainly not showing any signs that they are slowing. AAAGGHHH!!!
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Old 11-25-2005, 08:44 PM   #10
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All right, after three days of inactivity (blame it all on
exams), I can finally post this.
First of all, keep in mind these are opinions based on
somewhat basic,or at least advanced,knowledge.
And, second, they are nothing special, and they are not as
elaborate as I would like them to be.

Okay, here it goes. When I think of the future (not 50-100,
probably more) I picture a rather dark image; going from
overpopulation, to uncontrollable diseases, to potentially
apocallytic wars, and even to more discrimination & fear.
Of course, this is far too biased by the kind of things I
read, and my personality.*
For I long time, I've been questioning why the world we
live in is plagued by conflicts, whether it is due to a
matter of culture of simply beacause of ideas. "Why do we
fight so much, it is only one planet"I usually end these
self-enquiries; I would like to treat the earth as a
big nation, andafter all, that is what it should be, for
we all come from the same place. I [naively] think that
I we worked towards internationalism, we would be able to
avoid the dim future that awaits us (at least, according
to many people, me included). But this ain't going to .
happen.

About "Space Imperialism", as I like to call it, and space travelling; I have
serious doubts we will be able to perfection spaceships
and there is a vast amount of reasons for me to believe
this:
-Distances, planets are too far away. Trying to get to
them would take months, years or even decades of flying
(What this would mean, I leave it up to you).
-It won't be easy to create an engine powerful enough to
make this flights shorter; but even so, they'd consume too
much fuel** (a scarce resource by the way) and it would
affect the passengers, due to its speed. Besides, it would
need effective inertial damping systems (which would allow
the spacecraft to take up these velocities), and it would
crush the vehicle.
-All we’ve got are reaction engines, which implies that a chemical rocket burns the fuel to accelerate it, and then throws the weight of the fuel out the back of it at mildly high speed (around 10000 KM/H). The spacecraft then benefits from the equal and opposite reaction and moves forward. Of course, this means that you would need a lot of mass, in order to throw atoms at speeds barely reaching a fraction of the speed of light.
-On a less serious note about private spacetravelling; people have problems dealing with something as easy to handle as cars, imagine with space ships...
-I could give you more reasons, but they are fairly
obvious, or if not, they can be easily digged up in the
internet.

I’ve mentioned it before, but I think we rely too much on technology; and I consider this to be of relevance, as I have described before. In short, I think this will ironically force us to neutralize every non-natural element, and only a few would survive (Darwin’s “Natural Selection” theory, perhaps)

Our increasingly threatening armament is not exactly relaxing either; instead of putting money and time on more important things, we waste it on weapons. If the HAARP (catalogued as a “weapon of total destruction”); H or E-Bombs; or ‘nukular’ weapons don’t kill us, who/what else will?

And, I could go on with every clause and affair that might concern the upcoming future, but I reckon you don’t want to read about it.


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*I’ve been influenced by many of P.K. Dick’s books. His novels depict the world wich (though extreme and somehow satirical expressions) do not seem impossible (far fetched, maybe). Whether it is “The Penultimate Thruth”, having people living in underground tunnels, due to alleged radiation after the Cold War; “A Scanner Darkly”, having rich people living at huge complexes & attending different places only for them and margined citizens (feared by the first) trying to get in these; or even “Blade Runner” (Original book is “Do androids dream of electric sheep?”), on which androids need to be killed after a certain amount of time, for they are too human-like. Anywho, you get my point…

** Not many people are aware of the fact that satellites and probes are powered by plutonium, a highly radioactive material that has the power to alter genes, cause mutations and ultimately snuff out the life of anything it contacts, a small package of plutonium, about five to seven pounds in weight, has the killing strength to destroy all life on Earth, even more frightening is the fact that plutonium remains lethal for thousands of years.
An example of its danger:
NASA admits, in its Final Environmental Impact Statement for the Cassini Mission, that if the probe does not come in at 496 miles high-- if it dips down after hundreds of millions of miles in space into the Earth's 75-mile high atmosphere and makes an "inadvertent reentry"-- it will break up. The Environmental Impact Statement concedes that Plutonium will be released. And, says the Statement, "approximately 5 billion, of the estimated 7 to 8 billion world population at the time, ...could receive 99 percent, or more, of the radiation exposure."
And there have indeed been incidents with this controversial fuel, but they have been kept away from the public.
Scheduled NASA launches include 12 future missions which will attempt to put a total of 132.5 kilograms of plutonium in space over the next few years

Sidenote:this makes my “A Scarce resource by the way” remark useless.
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Anyway, that’s just me venting about many things, all in one long n’ boring post.
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There's no earthly way of knowing which direction we are going. There's no knowing where we're rowing or which way the river's flowing. Is it raining? Is it snowing? Is a hurricane a-blowing? Not a speck of light is showing, so the danger must be growing. Are the fires of hell a-glowing? Is the grisly reaper mowing? Yes, the danger must be growing 'cause the rowers keep on rowing, and they're certainly not showing any signs that they are slowing. AAAGGHHH!!!

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Old 11-26-2005, 05:32 AM   #13
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[Note, I haven't finished reading your post]

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Hey, el, how about that link to the info on your second post?
I've been spending hours on this site. In my opinion, it is the best page dealing with esoterical and Conspiracy Theories (both of which I like; as long as it is viable [does this word exist?])

Anyway, it's www.viewzone.com they have a long archive of articles, it's worth reading most of them.
Rhey've got a great article about The Philladelphia Experiment, The HAARP & that satellite thing I mentioned.

[finished reading it]

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It's an interesting post, but the blinding propaganda of today makes it difficult to tell the difference between the truth and a conspiracy theory(mind you, I'm not saying it's one or the other). I feel like I would've heard about this before since nothing gets people more wriled up than conspiracies, coming from a guy who lives in a country where there's nothing but conspiracies (actually, they're all widely known, only a small portion of people ever tend to pay attention, and that small portion of people call them conspiracies).
I cannot tell the difference bewteen both either.
I adore a well planned Conspiracy Theory. I've seen every documentary about JFK, Roswell, etc. And due to my semi-paranoid nature, you can expect quite a lot of subtle theories.

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Maybe it's that part of me that wants to believe the Timewave Zero theory. I'd much rather see this world go out in an overflowing chaotic blast of creativity than a slow radiation death.
I wouldn't mind seeing the end of the world.

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But on the half-full side of the (hour)glass, the world has been through worse. No matter what time period you're in, in history classes they'll always tell you how much worse the world was fifty years before. Again living in the country I live in, all of a sudden there's hope again. The president's approval rating is lower than that of killing kitties, the rediculous drug laws are getting far less rediculous (yall hear about Denver?), people have discovered the Exxon monopoly and they're losing their power, plus a bunch of pointless anecdotal stuff. I'm just looking at the area I'm living in as well; the evil rockwood school district has devised a plan of less evilness, our roads are finally being worked on.
I would have loved to live 50 years ago (not in my country, when I would have needed to endure Perón and the several military take overs). Even though people were afraid of the end of the world in the hands of both; the fact that two opposing powers were leading the world (the USSR and the USA) made it impossible for one of them to make a stupid movement (like starting a war without a clear cause), for the other one would take action against it, and so on. But since the Soviet Empire has fallen, we only have one ruling empire country which is constantly trying to take over the...well, you get my point.

But, yes the world has been at worse times. But they were worst on some issues and yet better on others. During the black plague; when the Catholic Curch ruled the world; the Second World War, etc. But even during this times, there were not as many imminent dangers as today; thinking about it, though, I rather live nowadays.
Also, I take it you are not a Bush fine either.

The rest of your post is still interesting, in spite of having been written at 3.30; so don't worry.

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I should add one more thing to my list of [unbased]future predictions.
Corporational Power. We live on world in which a company is more powerful than a country. We are constantly bombarded with free-market propaganda. Furthermore, we are a consumer society; we are willing to waste money on anything.
Such as Marx (Karl, that is) once said; there will be a day in which a corporation will have acquired more power and capital than nations; to balance this, countries will print more money, and take further actions, which will lead to an unbelieveable inflation. According to him, this will make the world accept the Communist doctrine. (I do not support planned economies/Communism, and even less free–market economies/Capitalism)


Finally, I'll check one of David Lynch's movies tomorrow.

(Forgive the 3 post thing, I've got some issues with HAL my computer)

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Wait....What post are you quoting? I never said those things!!!

It was one of those posts where it was late and I was writing completely stream-of-conciousnessly hoping something smart would come out and nothing did.

I really know very little about society and econimics. I'm more insterested in the psychology of people, and that's the only basis of my future opinion right now.

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I would have loved to live 50 years ago (not in my country, when I would have needed to endure Perón and the several military take overs). Even though people were afraid of the end of the world in the hands of both; the fact that two opposing powers were leading the world (the USSR and the USA) made it impossible for one of them to make a stupid movement (like starting a war without a clear cause), for the other one would take action against it, and so on. But since the Soviet Empire has fallen, we only have one ruling empire country which is constantly trying to take over the...well, you get my point.
It's true it may have been simpler government-wise, but let's not forget things like the lack of industry safety & inspection (you think we're polluting our world now? Not nearly as much as we were then), lack of labor laws, segregation & the lack of civil rights....that's a time I would've not liked to live in (because I think I'm getting ripped off at my job now). But then again, I'm biased because I learn history from the US's point of view, which is doesn't concern a lot of things. The problems I listed earlier were problems here; I'm not sure if they were everywhere.

On the other hand; the music was better and you were allowed to smoke inside without being publicly beaten to death.

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Old 11-26-2005, 06:08 PM   #17
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I like psychology as well; I tend to care more about society, though. Of course, both are closely related. History is my favourite af all possible areas, but my interests span a broad amount of things so I guess I shouldn't pick a fave one.

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It's true it may have been simpler government-wise, but let's not forget things like the lack of industry safety & inspection (you think we're polluting our world now? Not nearly as much as we were then), lack of labor laws, segregation & the lack of civil rights....that's a time I would've not liked to live in (because I think I'm getting ripped off at my job now). But then again, I'm biased because I learn history from the US's point of view, which is doesn't concern a lot of things. The problems I listed earlier were problems here; I'm not sure if they were everywhere.
Once again, there are good and bad sides to it.
Where do you work at? The lack of labor laws, civil rights, etc. were one of the reasons why the Socialist and Marxist ideas (and the future Russian Revolution) caused such commotion. Many of this things began to change by 1880s however (I know, we were speaking of the 1950s).
You know, thinking about this, I know realise how the Industrial Revolution has affected the world. The technologycal difference, as you mentioned, between the XIXth century and today, is incredible.

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On the other hand; the music was better and you were allowed to smoke inside without being publicly beaten to death.
Add great clothing (hats, suits, and all of those) the radio and cinema to that.
D'you smoke?

Check the David Lynch thread, for I have replied.

*No disrespect intended; I just get tired of typing.

EDIT: You know what really bothers me? (well, It doesn't bother me that much, but it sounds better if I exaggerate); that not many people venture into posting at the GF Forums.
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Old 11-27-2005, 05:09 PM   #18
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I like psychology as well; I tend to care more about society, though. Of course, both are closely related.
True. John Locke was a philsospher who said government was basically a magnification of the boundaries we put on ourselves, as well as just instinct in general.

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I don't work there anymore, but I just came off of working at a Halloween Superstore where I got paid $6/hr full-time. They wouldn't give me days off and on one day they fired four people and I was left alone on the floor (the sunday before Halloween, might I tell you). But I realize I still had it better off than some people.

I think it's safe to say I know very little about society, so take my opinions as a grain of salt. They aren't very researched or thought-out opinions. I'm just going by the little I know already.

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I'm not a habitual smoker, but I'll have a cigarette (cloves, preferably) from time to time socially. But you don't have to smoke to realize that the anti-smoking craze is absolutely overbearing and even quite discriminatory. But that's a debate for another time.

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You know what really bothers me? (well, It doesn't bother me that much, but it sounds better if I exaggerate); that not many people venture into posting at the GF Forums.
Well, it's like we've got our own private little corner, where people are much smarter and nicer than those of....well...Monkey Island.


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I think it's safe to say I know very little about society, so take my opinions as a grain of salt. They aren't very researched or thought-out opinions. I'm just going by the little I know already.
Well, society is fromed by the different 'grains of salt'; each person has got his own opinions, and they are all relevant enough. (I know, it sounds too corny)
What I always wondered is whether Society is adapted by the individuals, or vice versa.
Is it very common for young people (less than 18, I mean) to work over there?

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You know, my comment was pretty much a hipocresy, for I have posted all of my 300+ posts inside the boundaries of the GF forums. I like this community, anyhow.
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In 50 years I hope to look like they guy from my avatar ... But seriousley I don't think humans have a bright future ahead of them, it's either "Planet Of The Apes" or something very similar (for those of you that read Mark Grant's "Mutants Amok").


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What I always wondered is whether Society is adapted by the individuals, or vice versa.
Sounds like the good and age old Nature vs. Nurture debate. Society's values definitely work its way into the education system, but most of us flush it out.

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Is it very common for young people (less than 18, I mean) to work over there?
Most of the highschool kids were fired eventually (they were apathetic, see) and by the last two weeks I think I was the only person under eighteen working there. I'm homeschooled, which means they saw it as an excuse to have me work full-time.

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Sounds like the good and age old Nature vs. Nurture debate. Society's values definitely work its way into the education system, but most of us flush it out.
I personally think society has little values left, but it has to do with us flushing them down. But, values lead to taboos, taboos to prohibitions, etc.

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I got the point. Too bad, I had just came up with two new ways. Ah, you miss it...

Down here, it is not usual for a person under 18 to have a job. I have the chance of having one, but I ain't sure about it.

Also, silly question: where is the name "JofaGuht" from?; I'm guessin' it isn't your real one.
EDIT: Wait, I must be stupid or something; according to the link you gave me to your ymdb list, your name should be Jordan Hyman.

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Nah, you need not worry. I tend to change my avatars randomly anyway...

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Also, silly question: where is the name "JofaGuht" from?; I'm guessin' it isn't your real one.
Long story. Okay, not that long. I was playing "you don't know jack" with my brother, I was trying to type in "jch" and he started bashing the keyboard and it turned into jofa[[guht28. That was long ago. The forums I'm presently at my name is "CitizenofBalance".

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Correct. I trust you won't commit credit card fraud on me.

Hyman is Hebrew, comes from "lochiam" which is a toast that means "to life!


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Well, there is really not much to add, despite this having been somewhat of a pseudo-interesting chat. Mainly because there are few people to discuss with.
This forums are going downhill on a steady rate, I better find somewhere else to hang out (don't take it THAT seriously)...
If somebody wants to go off topic go ahead, if not, just lock it.

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Heads-up; just a neat article to help the cause of the thread.

Do not click me!

Yay for us! (I'm skeptical about this type of things, don't get the wrong idea).
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I haven't taken anything from WWN into account since I read their "chaos cloud" story.

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"Chaos Cloud"? Damn, there are no reliable news distributors lately.
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You know they where going back to the oldest translations of the original gospels and saw that one of the earliest translations of "the number of the beast" is "616" instead of "666". All those death metal bands, those tatoos, and depression prophecies following the wrong number....

Grammatically speaking though, it would be the "Greater Depression" and not the "greatest". And plus if there's a third even greater depression in the farther future, they would have to change the name of this coming one "The Second to Greatest Depression".

Okay, I got my fill of bad jokes today. Time to sleep.


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EDITED: Forgive me, I was redundant, and said something I had already mentioned. Blame it on the fact that it was late at night.

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