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Old 08-03-2006, 08:06 PM   #1
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Breast-feeding

OK, let's get away from the deep, serious debates for a while.

To start off, I was brought up in a sheltered Norwegian liberal society. So it was not until I was in middle school that I picked up a book in Aberdeen (UK) entitled "the 100 stupidest things ever done". Now, in the mixture of real-life idiocy and ridiculous urban legends, I read a story about a speaker who delivered a zealous, heart-felt speech against breast-feeding. While that in itself qualifies for inclusion in said book, the punch-line was that the topic, slightly mistaken by our friend the speaker, was to be "press freedom". Oh well, happens to the best of us.

But either way, it was my first introduction into a very strange notion I had never in my 15 years on Earth even heard about. And when, in World Geography class in Houston, two 14-year old Christians, possibly straight into Westside HS from Dubya Catholic Middle School, showed clear signs of never having heard of breast-feeding before, I was finally convinced (! other viewers in civilized liberal countries (), put down any beverages in your hands before reading !):
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There are people out there who seriously think breast-feeding is wrong. In fact, there's quite a few of them. Look here.

OK, so the cute society's a hoax, but take the poll at the end of the article.

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Yes, it shouldn't be allowed.
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No, it's perfectly natural.
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Though opinion is virtually unanimous among health professionals that breast milk is healthier for children than bottled milk or formulas, studies show that the majority of American women do not breast-feed their babies after leaving the hospital, even in the privacy of their homes. Public breast-feeding is rarer still. Many Americans admit that the very idea of it makes them nervous.
So, discussing breast-feeding. Personally, I know (no "believe" here) that it's good for the baby, natural, and best of all, not incestual or a ticket to Hell.
What about the rest of you?

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Old 08-03-2006, 08:21 PM   #2
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The less liquid I suck out of my mother the better.

On a much more serious and less disturbing note, I think the people going against breast feeding are a bit ignorant. Breast milk is more or less the perfect food for babies that cannot be exactly reproduced in formula milk. I'd argue that formula would only be the best option of the mother was diseased and could infect her child, or if she was a professional mother who doesn't have time to breast feed her child(I'd argue that her priorities are messed up if she values her job over her child's welfare, but...).



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Old 08-03-2006, 08:34 PM   #3
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Breastmilk has been proven to be healthier than formula-feed. Although those cases of mothers who continue to breast-feed their kids past infancy are incredibly messed up.
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Old 08-03-2006, 10:09 PM   #4
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Old 08-03-2006, 10:20 PM   #5
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There's nothing wrong with breast-feeding, but it'd probably be better if people didn't do it publically. Both of my aunts breast-fed their kids while they were younger. There are also breast pumps to bottle breastmilk when the mother is not around. As long as newborns are getting breastmilk, whether through actual breast-feeding or bottle breastmilk, it's all good.

There are the exceptions for health problems, ect, for that, there's baby formula.
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Old 08-03-2006, 10:26 PM   #6
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Actually, public breast-feeding is not seen in Norway (meh, we aren't perfect either).

But Heck yes, do it all you want. It doesn't harm anyone, so while I'm not really comfortable with the idea, I (and the rest of us) will get used to it.

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Old 08-03-2006, 11:00 PM   #7
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Ironically, there was a huge discussion over at another forum that I participate in about the controversial cover of a parenting magazine.

Like StarWarsPhreak said, I don't care if mothers beast-feed or not, but I'd prefer it if they did it privately.
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Old 08-04-2006, 12:50 AM   #8
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as long as it's done out of sight of public, i don't mind. but cmon, if i'm eating at a restraunt, and i happen to look across the room and notice some infant sucking it's mom, i'm gonna vomit. i may be biased though, as i hate children.


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Old 08-04-2006, 01:01 AM   #9
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Breast milk is more or less the perfect food for babies that cannot be exactly reproduced in formula milk.
Only true if you ignore the fact of a proper diet comes in to play here.

I have no issue against breast feeding, I just wish people wouldn't do it in public sometimes. It's not very sanitary, and it's just a little disrespectful.

No I don't find it disgusting or anything, just disrespectful and rather unsanitary.


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Old 08-04-2006, 07:32 AM   #10
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I support breast feeding all the way. And I don't think it is more unsanitary if done in public than anywhere else in "privacy". I mean you don't go and wash your breast everytime you feed your baby. Plus I don't know any woman, having a baby or not, who dip their boobs in dog ****.

Hm. I'm not sure about the "aspect of disrespectfulness" iSith is pointing out here.

It is a bit of a difficult issue, because if you're on a train or on a plane, whatever, you just cannot simply wait until you arrive or something. Feeding a baby is in general connected to some regularity, especially within the first 6 months or so. And we talk about a 2-4 hours period here. This, of course something different, if you're in a supermarket, or riding the underground train. Besides that, it's almost impossible to manage to be where exactly *noone else* is every time you have to feed your baby.

Personally, I cannot understand mothers who do it totally in public, while they're on the run, because it's better be done in a calm place, there is always a place to find where you can separate a bit from the trouble and people, even on a train or in a restaurant. Or you can go to the car, whatever. This does not depend only to breast feeding, though. It is important for both mother (or father) and child to have a relaxed situation
with a certain level of privacy for that. And since there is a regular base, you just have to think ahead a bit.

But I also cannot understand people who are disgusted by the idea they could see a mother feeding her baby. I mean it's not like they're throwing around her wobbling breasts yelling "Look at me, look at me" while holding up a wee and poo smelling brat. Usually you don't see any more skin/breast than in a common rap video. It's more likely to be less. Grow up people. Noone bothers you to stare at it. And if you (accidently) happen to see something.. so what? I rather take part on some nipple-baby-situation than seeing someone pissing on a tree.

As I see it, it is more disrespectful not to recognise the needs of the child and the situation of the mother that she cannot alway hide in the dark if she has to breastfeed her baby.


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Old 08-04-2006, 08:26 AM   #11
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Well, the mothers-on-the-go could always bottle their breastmilk if they're going to be busy or something. I don't find it disgusting for mothers to breast-feed in public, it's more of an awkward moment, and then if the mother is an ******* about people staring, that just pisses me off. You don't want people staring, don't do it in public.
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Old 08-04-2006, 09:03 AM   #12
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I'd much rather see a woman breast-feeding a baby in public than changing it's diaper.

I don't get it: half the planet's population has breasts... the other half spend a huge chunk of their lives thumbing through magazines and on the Internet looking for pictures of naked ones... exactly where the hell is the problem?

Isn't the act of feeding an infant exactly the purpose that evolution and/or God (or your deity of choice...) created them in the first place???

We really do need to get over this repressed, puritanical hangup b.s. that we have about the natural functions of the human body.


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Old 08-04-2006, 09:46 AM   #13
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Ironically, there was a huge discussion over at another forum that I participate in about the controversial cover of a parenting magazine.

Only in America, hm?

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I don't get it: half the planet's population has breasts... the other half spend a huge chunk of their lives thumbing through magazines and on the Internet looking for pictures of naked ones... exactly where the hell is the problem?
Exactly.

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One mother who didn't like the cover explains she was concerned about her 13-year-old son seeing it.

"I shredded it," said Gayle Ash, of Belton, Texas, in a telephone interview. "A breast is a breast -- it's a sexual thing. He didn't need to see that."
That actually made me laugh.

It's not a sexual thing! Comparing it to what two lovers do is just not right. You might as well condemn kissing of babies in public because that, too, is something lovers do to each others.

Geez.

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"Gross, I am sick of seeing a baby attached to a boob," wrote Lauren, a mother of a 4-month-old.
Wheatley? Other miss? Get boyfriends.


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Old 08-24-2006, 12:49 AM   #14
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What are these people, in kindergarten?

Then again, that's probably an insult to most kindergarteners!

It's natural, it's good for the baby. It's not dirty, sexual, or wrong, and doing it in the bathroom is MORE unsanitary. Plus breast pumping is time consuming and cumbersome. Formula simply isn't as complete nutrition for babies.

Anyway, with the outfits I see some women wearing in public, seeing a portion of one breast with a baby covering up the nipple is probably MORE modest. At least that's what breasts are FOR. If people get grossed out and can't help staring, that's their own hangup, it needn't be the law.


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I do get a little disturbed if someone breastfeeds in public somehow I can't help to watch. It's hypnotizing.

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Wheatley? Other miss? Get boyfriends.
She got knocked up somehow...

Anyways, this is one of those issues, that to me, is a complete non-issue. So some people don't want to breast feed whether it be in public or private. Who gives a $#!+? If it were her body during the early stages of pregnancy when abortion was an option, it stands to reason that now that she's delivered, it's still her body. Some women simply don't have the time, or don't produce enough milk to bother with breast feeding.

As far as breast feeding in public goes, I don't really care one way or the other. Lactating nipples with a baby attached to them don't get me chubbied up.


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Old 08-25-2006, 03:52 AM   #17
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I'm probably one of the few on the forums who's actually nursed an infant, so I'll chime in.

First, the breast vs bottle debate--it can be as vicious an argument as some evolution/creation arguments can get.

Here's my take--if you can nurse a baby, great. It's better. Am I going to get hung up about it and go La Leche League nutsoid if you can't? No. Some women can't for a variety of reasons--due to types of medications they take, can't produce enough milk, whatever, and millions of kids have grown up on formula and have done just fine. However, breastmilk has a lot of health benefits and is a whole lot cheaper--don't know if you've priced formula lately, but it's really expensive. Even if a mom can only nurse while on maternity leave or even tries it just for a few days, that's good.
We ended up doing both with our kids--I couldn't make enough, so we supplemented with formula, and it worked out fine. My kids are healthy and happy. The benefit was that Jimbo took the evening feeding with the babies and got to bond with them, too, and I got some much needed rest to recover from the surgery. Nursing involves about 30-45 minutes each session, every 2-4 hours. That 2-4 hours includes the time spent feeding. This means that when the baby's just newborn and up every few hours even at night, a mom's lucky to get more than 3 hours of sleep at any one time. It's a huge challenge to recover from birthing (especially c-sections, which are considered major surgery) and feed a baby every 2 hours around the clock (particularly the first month or so) with chronic lack of sleep.

Pumping--it doesn't work as well as the baby does at extracting milk. It can be done at work when a mom's away from the baby, but it takes a lot of time because it has to be done every 2-4 hours and it takes at least 15 minutes and more like a good half hour each time. I didn't have the most sympathetic boss in the world, and I didn't have any other job options at the time, and if I hadn't worked, we wouldn't have had a roof over our heads. Sometimes we moms have to work, and formula is not baby poison.

Breastfeeding in public--is no less sanitary than breastfeeding at home. It's not like they got dirty under a shirt just because I happened to be in public. I used hand sanitizer for my hands, however, if I didn't have a chance to wash them first.

When the baby's hungry, the baby's hungry, and breastfed babies eat more often than formula-fed babies. And when they have growth spurts, they eat even more frequently than normal. Even if you have every intention of being home all the time to feed baby, sometimes it doesn't work out that way. Traffic may delay you. Doctor's appointments could run long. Service at the restaurant could be too slow. Any of these could mean that I was still in public when the baby needed to eat. When the babies were hungry, I fed them. There's no mute button on a baby's cry--if they need care, you give it. If there was a women's lounge with a comfortable chair, I'd go there. If not, I nursed wherever I happened to be at and could get comfortable. However, I used a light blanket to cover things up. I didn't like to have 30 year old fruitcakes staring at my chest while I tried to nurse in public. Even with a blanket, I had a guy stare at me one time, until I stared back at him long enough that he decided wisely to go do something else. You see more exposure with most bikinis than you do with a nursing baby anyway even if you don't use a blanket.
Just so you know, a good percentage of women view guys who stare at them while breastfeeding as threats, because we see that as really weird. Weird people make moms with babies (and many others) very nervous, and it kicks in a maternal protective instinct that makes us want to whack people on the head to get them away from us. The rest really are p*ssed. If you truly want to watch breastfeeding, rent a video on it from La Leche League.


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...And the debate is over.

Sometimes it takes a chick, apparently.

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Well, I was amused to see a bunch of males debating the issue....


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Well, Jae made pretty much every argument there is for breast-feeding .....but there was one thing I noticed that people didn't mention: Breastfeeding is great for the babies immune system. Babies that breast-feed are much less vulnerable to infections, the flu, and more serious diseases as well. They are also more protected against allergies, asthma, and eczema.
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Well, Jae made pretty much every argument there is for breast-feeding .....but there was one thing I noticed that people didn't mention: Breastfeeding is great for the babies immune system. Babies that breast-feed are much less vulnerable to infections, the flu, and more serious diseases as well. They are also more protected against allergies, asthma, and eczema.
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There's evidence of a lower incidence of diabetes and apparently SIDS among those who were breastfed. Letter in British Journal of Medicine. I'd have to find an actual article for the full text that they reference, but most of the breastfeeding books talk about this.

Still, I don't want to make it sound like women who formula feed are awful mothers, because they're not. Lots and lots of babies have been formula fed and grew up just fine. My kids made it through the baby stage just fine on formula--we had to do both. Sometimes health/medication issues, milk supply problems, and life issues come up that make it nearly impossible. If a mom is so frustrated trying to learn how to nurse a baby that it's making her crazy and affecting her relationship with her newborn, then for heaven's sake go for the formula. Nursing a baby is not intuitive, and it's not something you can learn from a book, trust me.

In the breast/bottle debate, almost nothing is ever said about doing both, btw. It doesn't have to be an either/or thing, though there are die-hards on both sides of the argument who would never accept the opposing view.


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Breastfeeding in public--is no less sanitary than breastfeeding at home. It's not like they got dirty under a shirt just because I happened to be in public.
No, but a woman could have some sort of bug/infection/virus/etc. that could slip.

A lot of people don't take very great care in their sanitation habits, so I view it as an unnecessary risk.


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Women can't stay cloistered after having a baby, and shouldn't. We have to get groceries, go to the doctor's office (a number of times, especially the first couple of months), that kind of stuff. Unless you live like the boy in the plastic bubble, mom and baby are going to get exposed to things via people who visit. You can't and shouldn't ban people from visiting, because new moms need all the help they can get. That doesn't mean we should be stupid and hand newborns over to people who have the flu or take them into hospitals where they could get exposed to heavens-knows-what, but you can't stay locked up in the house the whole time.

Viruses and such--most are passed by direct contact or air droplets (like someone sneezed on something or coughed). They don't pass through breastmilk. Breastmilk is essentially sterile. If mom is sick, the baby has an equal chance of catching something whether breast- or bottle-fed, and possibly less while breastfed because the baby gets some of the immunities the mom builds while recovering from a cold.

In a lot of third world countries, women are encourged to breastfeed because it's safer than mixing possibly contaminated water into the powdered formula.

I took care of sanitation issues with my hands, El Sithy, and I washed them after. Other people may have sanitation issues, but they weren't the ones who were in contact with me, just the baby.
I'm almost afraid to ask this, but what do you think we women are doing in public to make our _chests_ unsanitary? That's a rhetorical question, btw. And yes, I know the images can be very amusing....

Everything's tucked inside a bra and under a shirt. I can't think of a way that they'd get dirty and unsanitary that way, whether at home or in public. And I sure wasn't doing anything with my chest that would make other things in public unsanitary, and on the very unusual chance that a drop of milk got somewhere, it's, as I said, essentially sterile. It's not going to contaminate anything. Milk really only comes out when the baby nurses, anyway, and any leaks get absorbed by little disposable cotton pads so clothes stay clean. The only thing I did differently when in public was to put a blanket over me and the baby so I didn't get exposed and therefore get a bunch of stares. Otherwise, the mechanics of feeding the baby were the same no matter where I was at.

Millions of babies have been fed in public, either breast- or bottle-fed, and didn't have ill effects from the experience.


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Also, if the child never get exposed to any virus or whatever, this will most probably cause a weak immune system. Those "sterile" grown babies are more likely to catch some illness or to be allergic to something etc, because their immune system is not trained well enough for proper function.


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You are making the assumption that my concern is for the baby and mother's safety, it's not.


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Old 08-29-2006, 04:39 PM   #28
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You are making the assumption that my concern is for the baby and mother's safety, it's not.
So you're afraid that the milk is going to contaminate any object it spills onto?

I hope you've never seen a hick spit on the ground, then...



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So you're afraid that the milk is going to contaminate any object it spills onto?
No.

I'm afraid a disease-ridden mother/infant will expose me to whatever infectuous crap they may have. And where I am at, the chances of that are a little too high, especially for my concern. Therefore I distance myself from things like that when it comes to strangers.
I work at a Museum, lots of women come in there and breast feed publicly. Most of them I don't mind, but occasionally there comes a woman that simply is offputting (scars, {open}wounds, etc.) and her infant smells like death incarnate.

I'm simply cynical like that. And nothing I say is in relation to the milk itself, simply that many people aren't very concerned about sanitary needs.

Nowhere do I say outlaw it, simply that it can be unsanitary.


In the end, I really have no issue, as long as the risks are kept simply to the personal parties, the mother and infant. But when other people are put at risk, that's when I say give the baby a bottle and keep your shirt closed.


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Do you avoid people who eat food in your presence as well? Because there's just as much disease riddenness going on there (people's mouths are filled with bacteria).

I mean, wouldn't it be hypocritical to make a big deal about it just because the baby is drinking breast milk, than a young child eating "solid food"?

Eating food may be disgusting and germ spreading, but we all do it and we all accept it as natural and permissable in public (unless there's some chance of the food getting on something and thereby damaging it, like in an art museum). But because in this case a female breast is involved, people freak out and think it's crazy.

Would people freak out as much if it were a woman wearing a bikini top eating a cheeseburger?


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Take a moment to re-read. Apparently you have absolutely no idea where my issue lies.


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Well, let me give a little disease transmission guideline for you.

Just remember this: "If it's wet and sticky and doesn't belong to you, don't touch it."

Unless you're manhandling the breast-feeding woman with the nasty sores/wounds, you don't have anything to worry about. You'd probably get arrested for assault/battery long before you got hold of enough of her to get contaminated.

El Sithy, I've volunteered and worked in hospitals for 15 years, volunteer at first aid points for 20 years, and I currently work in people's faces all day long--been doing that for 12 years or so now. That's not all consecutive--there's overlap there. I can tell you I've probably seen and worked with some of the grossest things you can see, and I'm not going to elaborate on that here and gross people out in case they're eating or something. One of my dearest friends died of AIDS and I helped take care of him at times, hugged him, ate dinner with him, used the bathroom at his house, and so on, and didn't catch it, and he had lots of sores near the end of his life. I haven't caught anything, because I know how things spread and how to take appropriate precautions.

Your risk of catching something from the specific act of breastfeeding is ridiculously low. You'd have to get a bunch of open cuts and take a bath in breastmilk to get any kind of risk. Breastmilk does not pour out onto things, it's not going to get all over the exhibits, lunch tables, and so forth. If mom gets a drop of milk on her hands, even if she doesn't wash her hand, once it's dry, a virus like HIV dies/becomes inactive pretty quickly. Of all the wet and sticky things you shouldn't touch, breastmilk is probably the safest out of all of them. Otherwise, there's no other difference in risk between breast or bottle feeding of infants. If she has sores and has a disease, her ability to infect others is no different if she bottle or breast feeds.

People with open wounds/sores _who are infected_ are a risk if the wounds ooze, regardless of breastfeeding status. Blood is a much higher carrier of microbes than breastmilk is. Not everyone with a wound/sore has HIV or other disease, though if you don't know, it's always wise to take precautions. A lot of sores and such are caused by skin allergies, psoriasis, simple cuts, and so forth, not by some nasty infectious thing.

Most disease transmission is by direct contact or airborne droplets. You're much more at risk for catching something like a cold or flu, which is much easier to catch because it can be passed along by coughing, sneezing, touching a runny nose and then wiping your hand somewhere, than to catch it because mom or baby touched a drop of breastmilk or a breast and then touched something else.

The smelly baby--that baby may be taking soy or some othe specialty non-milk based formulas. Some babies on these formulas do develop an odd odor. They could also need a diaper change.


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The assumption keeps coming back to that of breastmilk. It's not.

It's the act of public breast feeding, exposing whatever ungodly death these impersonal beings carry. I could care less if some tittymilk gets on my hand. I'm worried about the puss and other crap they wipe and smear around.
I don't have all the time in the world to be able to make sure every area has been properly sterilized after an encounter with a person that no doubt has more disease in them than the African jungle, I also have crap I have to move around (and therefore am prone by various means).

It's not that hard to ask that these walking chem-bombs keep their breast in their shirt/blouse/ensemble until they get to a less public area, or at least some place with proper cleaning supplies.

It's not like any of this is unreasonable. Let's say you work at a theatre, and someone decides to "make out" there. That's fine, nothing illegal. But if they both have open wounds and disgusting signs of obvious disease, and you see them making out, getting crap all over the place. You'd be a little offset.

So, yeah, the main topic isn't the issue so much as what the main topic makes possible. Such as some diseased skank flopping out a breast and getting malaria juice all over my damn dinosaur exhibit crap.


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XD Hey, Sith-o-man, you're totally calming up on this one eh?

"A person that no doubt has more disease in them than the African jungle" is not what I see as the usual synonym for the 'mother who breastfeed her offspring'.

What you are addressing here deserves an own thread, as this is complete another issue and merely only tangent to the (where) to breastfeed or not to breastfeed question we try to discuss within this thread.

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It's the act of public breast feeding, exposing whatever ungodly death these impersonal beings carry. I could care less if some tittymilk gets on my hand.
I don't get it. If it's not the milk, are you touching breasts which are not yours?


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I'm worried about the puss and other crap they wipe and smear around.
That, is as far as I know, not hardwired to breastfeeding. In that case, You (and me too) worry about little smeary children givin' you all ter juice they got.


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It's not that hard to ask that these walking chem-bombs keep their breast in their shirt/blouse/ensemble until they get to a less public area, or at least some place with proper cleaning supplies.
So, are you saying that "hovering it out of the bra" contaminates the area within a radius of 5 miles?



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"tittymilk" = serious?

Well, Sitherino, you could wear a surgical mask and rubber gloves when you go out in public...

*suddenly gets image in mind of Bill Murray in "What About Bob"*


As to the museum thing, you don't have a problem with bottle feeding, so the risk of getting the baby's meal on something doesn't seem to be the issue.

I'm saying a woman's nipples are no dirtier than other body parts being typically exposed (you make it sound like somebody is defecating on the floor). You're more likely to catch something nasty from the mouths of the folks around you. And besides, not everyone can be up to your standards of beauty to make rudely staring at them a pleasant past-time, right?


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So, yeah, the main topic isn't the issue so much as what the main topic makes possible. Such as some diseased skank flopping out a breast and getting malaria juice all over my damn dinosaur exhibit crap.
Am I immature if that cracked me up?

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I am, and it cracked me up, so chances are pretty *yes*


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Maybe the place he works at is directly next door to a leper colony, and also frequently caters to prostitutes and hardcore porn stars who come there straight from work without bothering to wash up at all first.

I don't have any hard statistics at hand, but I seem to recall reading somewhere that the most commonly exposed parts of the body (I.E: the hands and face...) are the filthiest, most germ-laden areas on the entire human body.


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I don't have any hard statistics at hand, but I seem to recall reading somewhere that the most commonly exposed parts of the body (I.E: the hands and face...) are the filthiest, most germ-laden areas on the entire human body.
And that toilet-seats are way too dry for significant numbers of germs to live on them. Bathroom door handles, on the other hand...

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XD Hey, Sith-o-man, you're totally calming up on this one eh?

"A person that no doubt has more disease in them than the African jungle" is not what I see as the usual synonym for the 'mother who breastfeed her offspring'.

What you are addressing here deserves an own thread, as this is complete another issue and merely only tangent to the (where) to breastfeed or not to breastfeed question we try to discuss within this thread.

No?
I was merely expressing my reasons for why I stated what I did in my first post. Mostly because it seemed people were confused as to what my complaint was in relation to. Everyone seemed to think "Sith thinks breast milk is evil and dirty", which is completely opposite of everything I've said.

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I don't get it. If it's not the milk, are you touching breasts which are not yours?
It's not that I'm touching anything, so much as it's that they're rubbing themselves on things, things that little kids touch, rub around on, etc.
Some of the things I've seen are quite disgusting, in context of taking place at a museum.

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So, are you saying that "hovering it out of the bra" contaminates the area within a radius of 5 miles?
No.

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Maybe the place he works at is directly next door to a prostitute colony.
Fixed for pretty much true.


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I don't have any hard statistics at hand, but I seem to recall reading somewhere that the most commonly exposed parts of the body (I.E: the hands and face...) are the filthiest, most germ-laden areas on the entire human body.
True, however people take a little more care in their hands and face. And they're generally harmless as most junk that sticks around has already been introduced to the immune system and we therefore have an effective defense against. Besides, I'm not talking about normal, everyday breasts.


Whether anything I've talked about is common or not isn't the issue, it's that it happens, and those are the times I take issue with it. Which was, as I believe, the question and original discussion. I said I have no issue with it, just that I wish people wouldn't do it sometimes, as a matter of sanitation. And I explained it.

Whether you agree or approve of this is of no concern to me.

Besides, what the hell would be the point to this place without slightly differing opinion?


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