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Old 12-24-2006, 01:51 PM   #41
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For all you talking about Wookies vs. Sith, remember that the power of the Force is not only combat, and combat is not only using a lightsaber. While it is true that it would not be physically possible to deflect hundreds of blaster bolts coming from all directions at once, Force or no, Revan was obviously not stupid enough to get into a situation where that would be necessary. He was a tactical genius, as is mentioned several times in the game. His power over the Force was enormous, and he would easily be able to sense hundreds of Wookies coming after him. The Wookies might also know the terrain better than him, but as Revan was a great tactician, I doubt he would fail to scout a dangerous area (and no one can deny that the Shadowlands are dangerous!) before entering it himself. He would use tactics that never forced him to face all 200 or whatever Wookies at once. Rather, he would pick them off one by one or in small groups that are easy to kill. He could also use the Force to spread fear or confusion through the ranks, making his job even easier. If he needed information, he could probably pull it right out of the mind of one of the Wookies. He might even use the Force to compel all his enemies to simply throw themselves off a cliff. Revan killed many Jedi, and a non Force-user would be even more vulnerable to his attacks.

This brings me to the second part of my point, which is that the Force is not only combat. Revan was a master of other uses as well. While it would have been Malak's style to go in all guns blazing, killing everything, Revan seems like he would rather slip in and out quietly. He would have no trouble waving his fingers and saying "We aren't the Jedi you're looking for" and that would be that. If he was trapped in the Shadowlands by an army of Wookies, he could make himself invisible, make himself run incredibly fast, or simply rise straight up and back to his ship. Or, if he didn't want to run, he could take control of the Shadowlands beasts and make them attack the Wookies. There's no end to the possibilities the Force offers an adept as powerful as Revan, and he was smart enough to exploit all of them.

This brings me to my last point, which is that Jolee probably spied on Revan while he was using the Star Map, but did not try to attack him because he knew he would die. Jolee, being a Jedi (or former Jedi) would have been able to hide himself from the senses of Revan. Also, while Revan was using the Star Map he was no doubt distracted by the object of his years-long quest. These circumstances would have enabled Jolee to sneak close and find out what they were doing.
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Old 12-24-2006, 02:19 PM   #42
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I pretty much agree with you. Except that manipulating the minds of 200 dedicated wookiee warriors might be too much for just about any Jedi.

But anyway, those who think that the Jedi wouldn't a chance. Don't forget Malak! I don't know why, but Malak seems to have a really bad reputation around here. But Malak was one of the most promising students at his time, second only to Revan. Malak may be rude and brutal (later on) and he lacks a tactical talent, but he is by no means stupid.
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Old 12-24-2006, 02:24 PM   #43
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Except that manipulating the minds of 200 dedicated wookiee warriors might be too much for just about any Jedi.
True. But Revan might only need to manipulate a few, like the minds of the commanders. Confusing everyone is beyond his power, but again, he would know this, and would make sure to avoid being in a situation where he had no choice but to manipulate the minds of all 200.
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Old 02-03-2007, 08:28 AM   #44
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maybe he fought revan before and knew his face or the order might of told him that they have captured revan and is going to make him good.



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Old 02-03-2007, 09:39 AM   #45
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@Devon: re:fighting off large numbers, the Exile and 'Force Storm' would seem to disagree

As for Jolee, well, I highly doubt that Vergere was the first to discover "the art of the small"...

And such a power would also fit in with Jolee's personality. Furthermore, with so much wildlife in the Shadowlands, finding a single Jedi trying to conceal himself amongst so much 'background noise' as it were, might well be difficult.

That said, I find the Architect's theory possibly more logical...



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Old 02-03-2007, 11:23 AM   #46
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Well, at the time of the Starmap incident, Revan is not that of a pronounced Sithlord. So there is no reason for Jolee to attack him at the time, he would not know that being Darth Revan. The wookiees would also think of him being just a visitor. They may unwelcome him, but probably not worth hunting partis chargint down the shadowlands for his/their heads. If anythin g the majority of worlds would think of him being somewhat of a jedi when they see them.
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Old 02-03-2007, 12:29 PM   #47
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I think you are all forgetting the possiblity of Force signiatures. Kreia after all talks about how she is able to see the footprint of Jedi that walked in the Crystal Cave, and how Jedi in the future can see their footprints in the Cyrstal Cave.

Jolee told that the real reason he followed Revan was to lure "the snake away from the town", to save it. Jolee recognized Revan as a snake, maybe the Sith Lord himself, and decided to join with him, to 'lead' him away from Kasshyyk and the other planets, and possibly try to redeem him.

I think Jolee was able to even predict his own death (if you go DS). After all, when the snake turned on the kid, the snake asks, "I lured you into a trap." The kid responded that "I thought I led you away from the town..."

That story of the kid and the snake explains a lot of why Jolee joined up with Revan...quite possibly as a way to end the Jedi Civil War as peneance for his crime of letting his wife live.


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Old 02-05-2007, 06:55 AM   #48
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Force signiatures can be hidden, like by making yourself small. Usually the footprint is not that east to read, unless it is a place strong with the force. But in places like the crystal cave where the whole area is filled with force resonating crystals and what not, it is near impossable to hide your footprint.

Thing is, Jolee thinks Revan at the time is somewhat grey like him, and it is easy for him to go one way or another. So he decides to help, well, at least to stop him from going too dark.
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Old 08-08-2011, 12:30 AM   #49
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Since Revan likely is more than 30 years old at the time he might have met Revan as a child or teen in the order, and somehow remembered and recognized her?

Or he recognized Revan from her last visit to Kashyyk, when she came there with Malak to find the Star Map?

Or the classic plot device: the Force told him.

Overall the time line presented in KotOR is so full of contradictions and inconsistencies it's near-impossible to piece together exactly how things fit together.
FYI, Revan is canonically a male, not a female.
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Old 08-08-2011, 08:35 AM   #50
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FYI, Revan is canonically a male, not a female.
The Great And All Wise stoffe is well aware of the "official" version, just as she was five years ago when that post was made.


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