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Old 12-12-2006, 12:44 PM   #1
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Star Wars vs Star Trek

The age old debate- Star Wars vs. Star Trek. Who would win? Let's assume after Nemesis and A New Hope. And lets assume that any one in either galaxy that is hostile normally is hostile still and would fight each other. No Rebel/Imperial alliances.

I think the Alpha Quadrant civilizations would take heavy losses, even after allying together. After they ally with the Rebels they would defeat the Empire decisevely at Endor, along with the Rebels. The Cardassians would remain neutral.

Klingons would land on Endor alongside the Rebels, using cloaked vessels. Luke, Leia, Han and the rest would get cut off from the others, and meet the Ewoks. Then all three forces would attack the bunker. The 501st would fight bravely, but they'd be forced into a corner. A standoff would begin as the Klingons and Rebels prepared for a final assault and the 501st hunkered down, hoping to hold them off long enough for they're enemies' fleets to arrive and be defeated.

The Federation, Klingon, Rebel and Romulan force then arrives, to see the shield still up. They move in to engage the Imperial fleet. They take heavy casulties, but the Klingons begin they're final attack on the bunker. The Executor is destroyed by heavy torpedo, laser, phaser and disruptor fire from the Enterprise, Defiant and other vessels and they begin to break through the Imperial fleet. Fighters enter the Death Star and destroy it.

The Imperials begin a retreat, but the Klingons destroy several vessels, including the Chimera. A tiny fraction of enemy forces escape. Then Kuat is taken by the Rebels. The New Republic is established and the Empire, knowing it is beat, signs a treaty. The galaxy is divided between the Empire, Rebublic and Klingons. The Empire remnains in civil war for several more years, which sometimes breaks into Republic or Klingon territory, but ends after the death of Palpatine's last clone.
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Old 12-12-2006, 05:51 PM   #2
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Um...Star Wars vs. Star Trek, and yet the Rebels side with the Klingons? Doesn't really fit.

I'm not really sure which side would win, but I definitely like Star Wars better. I love ST: Next Generation, I hate Voyager and the Original series, and DS9 is average.


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Old 12-12-2006, 05:56 PM   #3
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This website pretty much closes the debate.



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Old 12-13-2006, 12:56 PM   #4
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Seems like Star Wars is built on a much more fantastic scale.


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Old 12-13-2006, 01:04 PM   #5
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Yeah, mass murder that is.

Anyway, Jadzia Dax > Amidala+Leia. That solves it for me.


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Old 12-13-2006, 06:33 PM   #6
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This website pretty much closes the debate.
Actually, according to that website and stats, Enterprise actually have a wee little bit of chance winning in a firefight... against a slave I.

So it would be fun seeing a B-Wing Squadron going after half the Federation army... must be a beautiful thing indeed.
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Old 12-14-2006, 12:26 PM   #7
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http://www.st-v-sw.net/STSWhi2.html

Try this website. I don't trust that AOTC book, really. I don't see how phasers could be that weak compared to turbolasers.
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Old 12-27-2006, 05:13 AM   #8
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Star Trek eats bantha fodder compared to Star Wars.
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Old 12-28-2006, 03:35 AM   #9
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Star Wars by a mile. And I could see how Star Wars would win considering this is a Star Wars forum.


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Old 12-29-2006, 04:32 AM   #10
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Star Trek vs. Star Wars

I think that settles it.
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Old 12-30-2006, 03:54 AM   #11
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As said by Horny Zalaabar. Star Trek eat's Bantha fodder.


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Old 12-30-2006, 08:29 PM   #12
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How odd that right now I'm playing a SW/ST mod on Freelancer right now...X-wings and the Falcon rule every galaxy out there, and wipe the floor with anything the Federation might throw at them...



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Old 01-03-2007, 07:57 AM   #13
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ST Vs SW?
I think SW wins hands down. Their is alot of thought that goes into the Star Wars movies where as the Star Trek series seems like most of the time the names of planets and alien creatures used in the series are compleltley random. Like the creators have tried so hard to make it realistic. I SOprefer SW. So Star Wars wins!


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Old 01-03-2007, 01:27 PM   #14
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This isnt a neutral field, of course SW is gonna win, with everyone's (including myself) vote.
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Old 01-03-2007, 02:32 PM   #15
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Hmm. I like both and feel no need to compare them. One thing I would love to see is a weekly Star Wars series on tv.

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Old 01-03-2007, 05:23 PM   #16
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Hmm. I like both and feel no need to compare them. One thing I would love to see is a weekly Star Wars series on tv.
Just in case you don't know, there will be a Star Wars TV series in 2008 (I think that's when it comes out). If I'm not mistaken, it will take place during the Clone Wars, but none of the actors from the movies will be in it.


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Old 01-03-2007, 06:15 PM   #17
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Just in case you don't know, there will be a Star Wars TV series in 2008 (I think that's when it comes out). If I'm not mistaken, it will take place during the Clone Wars, but none of the actors from the movies will be in it.

Im not sure if this is certain, but the series takes place between EP III and IV. Late Clone Wars? Possible, but a introduction for some tv episode taking place in the Wars is even more possible.
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Old 01-03-2007, 06:46 PM   #18
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Hey, I can't argue this one...it must be Star Wars...stronger ships, aliens, and weapons...no contest...

(I really hate trying to decide this b/c both series have their perks...Star Wars just has a lot more and a lot better ones)



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Old 01-18-2007, 06:42 PM   #19
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For some reason I never related to Star Trek. I've seen the movies on TV and a couple of episodes of some of the shows but I just find it lacking. It never captured my imagination although some of the episodes I've seen had good storyarcs and special effects, but I never got emotionally connected to the characters. So Star Wars it is.
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Old 01-19-2007, 06:56 AM   #20
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Fair point, the movies aren't the best. But Star Trek is about a Utopian social condition. Deep Space Nine season 6 onwards shows war as an actual conflict of idealogies, people suffer and die...painfully etc, while Star Wars is pretty much war for Pre-pubesants and pro-Iraq warmongers.


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Old 01-19-2007, 06:50 PM   #21
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Gene Roddenberry vs George Lucas...


well Roddenberry's dead. When it come down to it though, their careers are/were very similar. Rodenberry had a great deal of trouble getting Star Trek to go, when it was canceled everyone thought it was the end, until it came back.

Actually, Star Wars and Star Trek, over the years, have head a very symbiotic relationship. There is NO doubt that Lucas was influenced by Star Trek (and Dune). And Star Trek may not have come back in the 80's had it not been for Star Wars, when paramount saw how much everyone loved Star Wars and said, "Well Fox has got Star Wars, what do we have?"

So later on after Episode V, Paramount actually used Industrial Light and Magic to do the special effects for ST II, STIII, STIV, and maybe one other, but it was Star Wars that gave birth to ILM. Hence - the symbiosis.

But Star Trek, because it diverted too far from what is originally was intended for , which was an idealistic exploration of Man's future, with a mostly optimistic attitude towards the human race, degenerated into war and space battles on virtually every episode. If star trek tries to be star wars it fails miserably.

Anyway...another problem with Star Trek that became gradually worse, was a blatant disregard for continuity. This is something that has been avoided in the Star Wars universe, for good reason.

Now about a Star Wars TV series....hmm I think its risky for the same reasons star trek went under. For a good TV series to work you have to concentrate on story for it to be sucessful, and laser battles get old after a while. It also becomes increasingly difficult to keep continuity as the universe expands.
I dunno about the star wars TV series. And i dunno about mark hamil, he doesnt age well, unlike Harrison Ford...who could proabably still pull off Indiana Jones if he wanted to.


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Old 01-19-2007, 07:24 PM   #22
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Old 01-21-2007, 09:00 PM   #23
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There is one thing that really cracks me up... that an entire federation armada of a hundred or so ships except the enterprise was completly obliterated by ONE borg cube. The Executor would obliterated the entire federation space navy without even the slightest decimal of power!





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Old 01-21-2007, 11:22 PM   #24
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Ya know in Star Wars most of the Galaxy has already been explored mostly, a ship can travel through hyperspace to the other side in a time span that is well within reason, there is a centralized galactic government.

In the Galaxy of star trek the Federation is no where near that level of technology.

Now...I think the Borg would give the Empire a run for their money! Even if the Empire is more technologically advance, all the Borg have to do is assimilate a ship or two, and then they have Imperial technology.

I am willing to bet a Borg cube coulda also taken on a flotilla of star destroyers. They are much bigger::

Length: 3,036 m
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Old 01-22-2007, 06:28 AM   #25
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It's 'future science' in Trek versus 'we made this up as we went along' in Wars, really.

Sisko for king IMHO.


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Old 01-22-2007, 06:54 PM   #26
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It's 'future science' in Trek versus 'we made this up as we went along' in Wars, really.

Sisko for king IMHO.

That is a common view. But Star Trek makes things up as they go along just as much, they just happen to try to explain how things work with the known physics of the time.

In TOS the warp nacelles did not generate a 'warp field'. Now we know they do.

In Star Wars originally the lasers were really 'lasers' at first yet they didn't act like true lasers. Now we know they are captured light energy packets aided by a physical substance like Tibanna gas.


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Old 01-23-2007, 06:30 AM   #27
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I didn't know about the gas thing. I'm referring mainly to the newer series where they attempt to be consistant about things.

I mean, are you telling me that Stormtroopers are a successful replacement for Clone Troopers?

Saying that, yeah, Trek goes OTT with technobabble often, which is alienating, but in it's favour, the characters are a lot more richer and 3-dimensional. Commenting on Sisko again, after seeing Kirk and Picard blather around, it was refreshing for an African American father (and religous prophet) to make huge decisions, raise a family and fight a war with his integrity intact...something that Ep3 just cannot do, unless you really think "NooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOO!" is a plus point.

Yeah Star Wars is far superior in action, but with the prequels, I just couldn't give a fung about the characters, it was all lethal technology on CG and a cameo by a human.


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Old 01-24-2007, 05:02 PM   #28
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STAR WARS!!!!!!!!!!! never been a star trek fan and never will.


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Old 01-25-2007, 05:38 PM   #29
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Star Wars one Imperial II class star destroyer could hold the enterprise. and the Exucuter and Lusakia + Iron Fist and Razors Kiss could wipe them all out

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Old 02-01-2007, 12:13 PM   #30
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You really can't have a debate about which is better on Lucasforums, because I bet everybody here likes SW better then ST.
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Old 02-10-2007, 11:54 AM   #31
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Yeah i think han sala is right and yeah that website 10 or so posts up explains everything.


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Old 02-10-2007, 07:07 PM   #32
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I don't like Star Wars better than Star Trek.

But I dont like Star Trek better than Star Wars either...

I actually think Star Trek has infinitely more depth and realism. The character development, the acting, the energy of all the star trek characters FAR outweighs Star Wars. The Galaxy of Star Trek is far more detailed. In science fiction, because of the all the TV serieis, Star Trek is the biggest, most in depth, universe. Star Trek is still the longest running and largest science fiction franchise. It has been in the american culture longer, and has had greater impact.
Star Trek is about the development of the human spirit, the exploration of new places and new ideas. Star Trek explores the human issues of the time from a safe and unique point of view.
Star Trek's strength is in its stories, and its message.
Star Wars doesn't really do any of that.
Also, if it weren't for Trek, there would be NO Star Wars, trust me.

Now all that being said.
Star Wars is artisticly, and astheticly superior. Star Wars is a classic mytholgical story about heros. Star Wars is an opera, with creative drama and action done with the utmost aplomb.
Star Wars touches on theological and mythological themes. It touches us because we all want to be, and sometimes strive to be, the kind of passionate fighters and heros in the story. Star Wars, with the idea of the force, has the theme that there is something greater than all of us, something we can be in touch with.
Star Wars is also just cool. If it weren't for Star Wars though, Star Trek may well have died back in the late 60's when it was first canceled.

Right now Star Trek is dead. Star Wars still thrives. Why? I'm not sure. Maybe because the creator died his predecessors were allowed to ruin it.


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Old 02-10-2007, 07:44 PM   #33
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Come on people, Star Trek is so old and has such lame lines and scenes. No wonder on the Simpsons they make fun of it so much, but Star Wars too. I mean, Star Wars has way more games, reputation and comics/books everything! Star Trek is old and is set in a boring ship most of the time. Star Wars has so much more history and entertainment.
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Old 02-17-2007, 02:58 AM   #34
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Oh dear, this

When asking this question in a SW forum .... the responses received tend to be a bit predictable, especially from the younger more excitable members

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Old 10-27-2007, 09:22 PM   #35
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well... think about it... star wars would have 2 win... our galaxy knows nothing about the force... vader and luke and wat not would see kirk comming a mile away. it would b slaughter.





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Old 11-18-2007, 12:30 AM   #36
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wow, star wars would eradicate star trek. does it even need a discussion?
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Old 11-30-2007, 04:37 AM   #38
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I feel Like I'm committing adultery on Star Wars by playing Mass effect.... So star trek ain't got a chance!


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Old 11-30-2007, 12:07 PM   #39
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Lord Zack: you're reckoning without the interference of the Borg or the preservers, but otherwise I agree with your prediction of how things would go in a conflict between the classic star trek governments and the largely unified galactic empire under palpatine. Also the Q continuum.

Gug Eyewalker: As to the merits and flaws of both universes and the stories within each, I couldn't have said it better myself.
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