KOTOR III needs more Romance!

Light of the Fey · 02-03-2007, 08:42 PM

KOTOR I Problems with Romance: Well for Male Revan and Bastila it was alright. I mean they got to kiss in their romance scene and everything. Just Female Revan and Carth really stunk! I mean they didn't even kiss. Also when she goes to fight Malak he never says "I love you be careful," or anything. Plus when he says he loves her he doesn't even meet eye contact! Whats with that!?!

KOTOR II Problems: There was no romance AT all for females. All Atton and Disciple did was argue over who was better for her. No kiss, no hug, no nothing. That was really disappointing cause I wanted Disciple to go away. I liked Atton. XD

KOTOR III needs: They need a mix between KOTOR I + II in the romance but they also need added. Like for example, maybe an argument between two females for males, and maybe an argument between two females for males. Like the feud Atton and Disciple had. Also, when they finally get to the "I love yous" they need to meet eye contact! Kiss + Hug stuff. No "I can't wait till this is over"

Rule: <.< >.> Also...NO FLAMMING YOU EMOTIONLESS PEOPLE! <.< >.> Sorry, I am just a Romance lover. Also, Carth haters please don't put me down. Just Carth was a cutie. :P

Edit: Do not make this offensive please. I do not want this to be a removed thread. I'd appreciate some serious posts not just jokes. No more talking about gay/lesbian relationships as well. No more. Its getting inappropriate. Thank you. For the romance let the developers decide. Now talk about what should be added except gay-lesbian relationships. Thank you.

Note: Romance is Optional in all the games.

***Boba Rhett*** · 02-04-2007, 12:38 AM

I guess I'm kind of a big softy at heart. I like what ya had to say.

I thought the Revan/Bastilla relationship was pretty well put together. I'm sorry you ladies kind of got hosed in the Carth department. (I never played it that way to find that out) I've always really liked Carth, even from the very beginning. It's a shame nothing ever worked out for him in the romance department.

Grey Master · 02-04-2007, 12:59 AM

No romance, more battle and more interesting characters along with some cool plots.

***Boba Rhett*** · 02-04-2007, 01:07 AM

You say you want a cool plot - romance ties very intricately into pretty much every great plot I've ever seen.

Phantasmgrl91 · 02-04-2007, 01:20 AM

i'd like to see a nice story line add some spice to kotor 3, but i'm more concerned with them just releasing it. I dont know why people dislike carth, I thought he was the best non-jedi character in kotor 1

milo · 02-04-2007, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Light of the Fey

KOTOR I Problems with Romance: Well for Male Revan and Bastila it was alright. I mean they got to kiss in their romance scene and everything.

How do you know it was just a kiss? The game never tells you exactly what happened. How do you know it wasn't the "morning after"?

SilentScope001 · 02-04-2007, 01:24 AM

In K2, female characters get to see Disciple and Atton kill each other in the TSLRP.

Carth may not kiss, but I heard he and Female Revan can go and do a lot of insults. Carth can take it and dish it, so I can see that as pretty good...

But, I hate romances a lot. They seem out of place...and not only that, I would like to remind that both Revan and Exile kill off a lot of people. They are murderers, and I feel that a killer should not fall in love when he is at the same time killing off people and denying those people the ability to love.

Romance is distracting. Warfare is fun!

***Boba Rhett*** · 02-04-2007, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SilentScope001

I would like to remind that both Revan and Exile kill off a lot of people. They are murderers-

Only if you play them that way!

And if you play them that way, just don't bother to get into any of the romance stuff of you don't like it?

Arátoeldar · 02-04-2007, 02:50 AM

As another big softy I agree wit you Light of the Fey. Thankfully between cjt0202 and Kristy Kistic Carth & Revan's romance is much better.

So far as KotOR: TSL is concerned I didn't think either gender had much of a romance.

Hopefully in KotOR III this will be fixed.

Darth Avlectus · 02-04-2007, 03:43 AM

Uh, maybe a little beavis and butt-head style comedy too?

Huhuh-huh, that would be cool.

Heh-heh. Yeah, chicks who like to headbang and stuff. heheh-heh-heh.

Long as dude gets still some kind of satisfaction too, I'm down.

You could have a choice for some kind of love that gets twisted and ends tragically. I mean, that's how Vader fell, and the emperor never told him to 'just get over it'...which made it all the more easy for him to manipulate Vader.

Titanius Anglesmith · 02-04-2007, 11:45 AM

I was very disappointed with the lack of romance in TSL. That is something that definitely needs to be improved in KotOT III.

Master Zionosis · 02-04-2007, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Henz

~snipped~ --Jae

You know thats not a bad idea, as you would think that LA wouldn't want all the public to think that they were against gays would you, but i doubt they will include this in the game, but it would be interesting. lol

Allronix · 02-04-2007, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SilentScope001

But, I hate romances a lot. They seem out of place...and not only that, I would like to remind that both Revan and Exile kill off a lot of people. They are murderers, and I feel that a killer should not fall in love when he is at the same time killing off people and denying those people the ability to love.

Tell it to a military spouse. Hell, tell it to a soldier! For that matter, there's hardly a lack of blood on the hands of the "love interests." Atton's practically bathing in it, Brianna is a warrior by birth. Visas was a Sith's apprentice. Carth and Mical are career soldiers. ("You're the soldier, father. How many mothers have you killed?!" - Dustil) Bastila is on the verge of Jedi Knighthood.

I tell other fanfic writers that romance is like chili peppers. It's not appropriate for every type of cusine. Too much, and it overpowers the dish. And not everyone's got a tolerance for it. However, just a bit can bring out the contrast in an otherwise bland and grim meal.

In K1, the romance added a note of contrast and balance to what was otherwise a VERY bleak plot. We saw this in K2 where it was just doom, gloom, and defeat with zero contrast aside from gallows humor.

Light of the Fey · 02-04-2007, 01:00 PM

Oh my goodness... People I did not want this to be offensive! Henz...please stop not all people are like that.

Anyway, yes Romance needs to be part of it. Plus, its optional in the game. ^^ I am such a softy for it.

Master Zionosis · 02-04-2007, 01:56 PM

Yeah i am quite a softy for romance as well, i was a bit upset when there wasn't much for K2, i was hoping for another kiss scene like Revan and bastila, hehe.

Light of the Fey · 02-04-2007, 02:01 PM

I wish I could have gotten my character to kiss Carth...^^ With the edit I gave him with Younger Carth he's really cute. <.< >.>

Allronix · 02-04-2007, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by master zionosis

You know thats not a bad idea, as you would think that LA wouldn't want all the public to think that they were against gays would you, but i doubt they will include this in the game, but it would be interesting. lol

Well, K1 DID have Juhani and LSF Revan, but they had to be subtle, lest the crowd buying the "Left Behind" shooter get all crazy about it.

Henz · 02-04-2007, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Light of the Fey

Oh my goodness... People I did not want this to be offensive! Henz...please stop not all people are like that.

Anyway, yes Romance needs to be part of it. Plus, its optional in the game. ^^ I am such a softy for it.

Well obviously I was putting things in the most vulgar way possible for a laugh but being a love rat should be an option if you're playing as a bit of a ... not very nice person.

Yes, and we snip vulgar content here since it's a PG-13 forum. Keep it clean, Henz. --Jae

Light of the Fey · 02-04-2007, 03:53 PM

Teens play the game to Henz. Stop being vulgar! Its not all about adults!

Hallucination · 02-04-2007, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Light of the Fey

Teens play the game to Henz. Stop being vulgar! Its not all about adults!

If the game was like that, more 12-year-old boys would buy and everyone would be happy.

The next game definitely needs some more romance. LotF for Prime-President of Costaguatemexorico!

**Jae Onasi** · 02-04-2007, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Allronix

Well, K1 DID have Juhani and LSF Revan, but they had to be subtle, lest the crowd buying the "Left Behind" shooter get all crazy about it.

It all needs to be subtle, gay or straight, and that's not a religious thing for me. It's a Star Wars game, not a porn game. I don't need my kids seeing 'The Wild Thang' in a PG-13 game, and it's not in keeping with the spirit of SW anyway. SW is supposed to be family-friendly. There are plenty of other places to get a sex-fix. SW isn't one of those places.

That being said, I do enjoy the romance options, and I missed it in TSL. I know some don't feel Jedi should have romances, but they also have the options not to select the romance dialog options in the game, too, if they don't want to roleplay that way. I'd like to see the romance option return for K3.

Grey Master · 02-04-2007, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Boba Rhett

You say you want a cool plot - romance ties very intricately into pretty much every great plot I've ever seen.

Well, for you perhaps Rhett, but there should be a more darker plot, like the one in TSL, like revenge against somebody, like the Sith, or something else, but Im not saying that there shouln't be a relationship between characters, just not to many.

Henz · 02-04-2007, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Light of the Fey

Teens play the game to Henz. Stop being vulgar! Its not all about adults!

Well my last post wasn't vulgar at all (and the first one was self-censored anyway), and I stand by a characters right to be a bad person if the player chooses to.

Master Zionosis · 02-04-2007, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Light of the Fey

Teens play the game. Stop being vulgar! Its not all about adults!

Ohh, i wasn't trying to be vulgar, i was just merely saying it would be.... interesting if they did it, i just think they should be fare on gays. Ok thats the last thing about that from me,

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Henz · 02-04-2007, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by master zionosis

Ohh, i wasn't trying to be vulgar, i was just merely saying it would be.... interesting if they did it, i just think they should be fare on gays. Ok thats the last thing about that from me,

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There's nothing vulgar about homosexual relationships.

Henz · 02-04-2007, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jae Onasi

It all needs to be subtle, gay or straight, and that's not a religious thing for me. It's a Star Wars game, not a porn game. I don't need my kids seeing 'The Wild Thang' in a PG-13 game, and it's not in keeping with the spirit of SW anyway. SW is supposed to be family-friendly. There are plenty of other places to get a sex-fix. SW isn't one of those places.

That being said, I do enjoy the romance options, and I missed it in TSL. I know some don't feel Jedi should have romances, but they also have the options not to select the romance dialog options in the game, too, if they don't want to roleplay that way. I'd like to see the romance option return for K3.

Well I'm sure no-one wants to play a sex scene or anything hehe. I agree a subtle approach is best. Good both for people who don't want to play it and avoiding (hopefully) clunky ep III style dialogue.

~snipped off topic content~ --Jae

Light of the Fey · 02-04-2007, 06:57 PM

I have no real problem with gays or lesbians unless they try to force it on me for I am tri. Which means I will try anything once *Laugh*

Anyway, in any case it would be alright but some parents (its a PG-13 game, keeps this in mind) would not let their children buy it. Most of the games are bought at the ages between 12-20. So really, people might not want it because of it.

Most people think it is bad and the United States, I know, has been trying to outlaw it. I know a number of people who believe Star Wars is all about bringing the good from people (despite the dark side versions.) If they found Lesbians + Gays were in the game they would most likely not buy it...

Allronix · 02-04-2007, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jae Onasi

It all needs to be subtle, gay or straight, and that's not a religious thing for me. It's a Star Wars game, not a porn game...There are plenty of other places to get a sex-fix. SW isn't one of those places.

Unless you deal with the fanfic boards. (Let me brew some more tea while this really dark and definitely not for kids Anakin/Padme fic loads up...)

I don't want anything explicit either. This isn't the "Hot Coffee" mod for GTA we're talking about.

A trait that does distinguish Star Wars from other SF series, though, is a willingness to let heroes marry and have families without them being killed off at episode's end or pre-series. I mean, Star Trek was pretty much allergic to the subject. One-nighters were de riguer, and the only wedding on ST: TOS was interrupted by the death of the groom. It took until TNG to even approach the subject, and only with a semi-regular guest. Joss Wheadon had to fight tooth and nail to get Wash and Zoe depicted as hitched (Come Big Damn Movie, however...).

**Jae Onasi** · 02-04-2007, 08:21 PM

OK folks, I've now deleted at least 5 off-topic posts that were starting to move towards the flamey variety, and I have edited several more in under 3 hours in this less-than-day old thread. Deleting/editing over 20% of a thread's posts makes me An Unhappy Moderator. If you all continue the off-topic arguing, I'll close the thread and hand out warnings to the offenders. I'd rather not close the thread because this is an interesting topic for a lot of people, but I'm not about to allow a flame war to develop here. Everyone chill out and stay on-topic.

Light of the Fey · 02-04-2007, 08:29 PM

Thank you Jae Onasi, "The Momerator". (Love that Avatar. Perfect for a mom lol)

Anyway, I believe if there were gay or Lesbian romances in it it would be subtle. A lot of people wouldn't like the game to much for that. In short, to keep people from having problems with "offensive" content there really shouldn't be one in my mind. People can make mods for that like "Female Revan and Bastila...The untold love story." Its not like I am trying to be rude or racist in any way but really I think its too much for the game.

**jonathan7** · 02-04-2007, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jae Onasi

OK folks, I've now deleted at least 5 off-topic posts that were starting to move towards the flamey variety, and I have edited several more in under 3 hours in this less-than-day old thread. Deleting/editing over 20% of a thread's posts makes me An Unhappy Moderator. If you all continue the off-topic arguing, I'll close the thread and hand out warnings to the offenders. I'd rather not close the thread because this is an interesting topic for a lot of people, but I'm not about to allow a flame war to develop here. Everyone chill out and stay on-topic.

Indeed, sexuality is a topic I think that should be left off a SW forum people, its a controversial subject and this is after all a SW forum, which should be a family friendly place - so lets keep it clean!

So lets not talk about what we think about it and return to the plain old topic.

Personally I tend not to do the Romance option so much, (in my SW universe Revan is a LS woman and she might fall in love with Carth, but thats for after KotOR finishes!). And the only person in TSL I would of considered romancing (in my SW universe LS male) is Mira but can't go anywhere with that one. Doesn't really bother me as I don't play the game for that reason, that said I definatly think that romance options of a subtle nature (no more than a kiss) should be around for those who wish to pursue that path.

Emalin · 02-04-2007, 09:22 PM

^ I agree. The kiss between Bastila and male Revan was sweet, and IMHO just enough for the KOTOR type of game. There's a mod I've found that allows Carth and female Revan to kiss, too. What's better is that you actually *see* it happen - no unimpressive fade-outs. That, I think, is enough.

I'll confess that I really like Atton in TSL. I played TSL before KOTOR, though (yeah...talk about plot gaps!), so I wasn't aware of KOTOR's better romance options. But I'm still reasonably happy with TSL. In my first playthrough, I saw (probably invented) lots of subtext that kept me hoping for a kiss. Even though I never got it, the subtext made quite an impression on me.

Oh yeah, and I do write fanfics (PG ones, mind you). I invent stuff all the time.

SilentScope001 · 02-04-2007, 10:18 PM

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Tell it to a military spouse. Hell, tell it to a soldier! For that matter, there's hardly a lack of blood on the hands of the "love interests." Atton's practically bathing in it, Brianna is a warrior by birth. Visas was a Sith's apprentice. Carth and Mical are career soldiers. ("You're the soldier, father. How many mothers have you killed?!" - Dustil) Bastila is on the verge of Jedi Knighthood.

I know that love exists of course, but it is just my personal opinon. I somewhat dislike love being coupled with war, but that is just me.

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I tell other fanfic writers that romance is like chili peppers. It's not appropriate for every type of cusine. Too much, and it overpowers the dish. And not everyone's got a tolerance for it. However, just a bit can bring out the contrast in an otherwise bland and grim meal.

I concur. I just say about the mass-murdering comment only as to draw a constrat, at least to me.

I want romance to be optional. I usually take it, but just to see other content. I don't get happy or sad about it.

The LSM Visas romance is pretty good though. You get to really see who Visas is at the end, which is pretty nice and much more better than a Kiss from Bastila. Plus, Visas and you are both wounds in the Force, so you have some sort of connection. You can also turn such a romance into a tradgery as The Exile murders off Visas in order to finish off Darth Nihlius.

*Taos* · 02-04-2007, 11:35 PM

SW and romance don't really go that well together IMO [ie. ep 2]. For kotor 3, I guess it all depends upon where they want to go with the story. But generally speaking, I don't like a lot of romance in my sci-fi movies/games etc. Flirting is fine, but romance type stuff I can do without. If I want romance, I'll watch Sleepless in Seattle or something lol.

Empress Revan · 02-04-2007, 11:45 PM

yes i believe there should be more romance but the defualt on that is it always makes u have to be a good guy/girl or work for the good ppls. I would like to see some sith romance u know...like if u(REVAN) chose to be evil and u made a romance with Bastila or CARTH they at least respect who u r or they follow u to were u go down to.(lightside or darkside)!

I LOVE CARTH, HE'S SOOOOO CUTE!

Phantasmgrl91 · 02-05-2007, 12:43 AM

absolutly. more romance

Darth Dread · 02-05-2007, 12:47 AM

Yes a little romance between PC & NPC or between two NPCs almost always makes a story line story line a little better. Having them fallow you down your path and still be in love with your character my make thing seem less dry like that of KOTOR 2 IMO.

Devilsfanatic · 02-05-2007, 12:57 AM

It needs to be like Kotor I, more gay & lesbian friendly.

CSI · 02-05-2007, 01:26 AM

Eh....Yeah...But it absolutely needs more romances...I agree with Light of the Fey.

Diego Varen · 02-05-2007, 01:31 AM

I would like more romance in KOTOR, but for it to be optional, since I'm sure some people don't want their PC to have a love interest. Instead, I think some of your party could have attractions for you and might be interested, but they might not be in love with you. This could be tied in with Influence, etc.