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Old 05-07-2007, 04:02 PM   #81
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It will be on the pc though. Because of a vast majority of the players have the pc version they will release on pc for the money.


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Old 05-07-2007, 04:06 PM   #82
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I wish I was that certain... While there is a tradition for KotOR-games on the pc now (I think it safe to say that a K3 would obviously not be for the old Xbox), there is little doubt that the money is made on the console-games due to all the piracy on the pc.

I won't be getting a console just to play a single game, though, when I have a perfectly good pc capable of playing games on my table.


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Old 05-07-2007, 04:16 PM   #83
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Well judgin that I dont expect K3 to be released in the next 10 months ill be fine because im starting saving up for my new pc from now. By the time its out I should have a nice rig, or two or three... maybe a house of my own.

I just don't think they would be so foolish to not release it. I mean surely they know if they don't that ill send hate mail. I think I got that point across last time they wern't going to release it for the pc :wink:


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Old 05-07-2007, 08:45 PM   #84
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In reference to the original topic, all I have to say is this:

I do NOT want KotOR to be defiled by some power-gaming lifeless 1337-sp33king nerds. The KotOR community is one of the best out there because most of its members are literate, thinkers, and play a game not just for violence and pwnage, but also for story and characters. Could be wrong, but I think SWK is the most active forum here on LF, and given that this is an SP game, I think that says a lot about us and the game.


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Old 05-12-2007, 02:11 AM   #85
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A MMO for Star Wars will NEVER work. Why? Because everyone wants to be a Jedi. Come on now, every Generation X boy wanted to be Luke Skywalker. Is it because he was a whiney farm boy from some backwater hack planet? No, it's because he was a FREAKING JEDI. He could block lasers with his lightsaber. He could levitate droids & rocks & crap with his mind. Come on, he choked to pig dudes with just a simple gesture. He cut off Darth Vader's hand and kicked him down a flight of stairs. He got his @$$ zapped by lightning from the geezer Emperor, stood up and said "s'at all you got b!tc#??"

Let's face it, everyone wants to be a Jedi in an MMO. If that weren't true then you wouldn't see so many noobs in every single MMORPG begging and pleading to have someone power level-up for them. Take a look at the member directory here on Lucasforums. How many people have any of the following in their names:
  • Luke
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  • Skywalker
  • Jedi (like me for example)
  • Kenobi
  • Darth
  • Sith
Then you get the guys that think they're creative by having names like "Luke Vader", "Obi Wan Skywalker", and "Darth Boba." If there was a KOTOR MMO then you'd see such original names like "bAsTiL@_sKy\/\/@Lk3r_1236579874".

The problem with everyone being special, is that then nobody is special. Human nature dictates that power must be held by the few and the elite. I'm not saying it's right, it's just how it is.

If Lucasarts were to release a MMO and call it canonical then I'll turn my back on Star Wars and go to something else. I know I don't stand alone on this either. Maybe I should consider hosting Anne of Green Gables conventions.

So please, if anyone from Lucasarts is actually browsing these forums, I beg you to please keep things sacred and holy, and not fall into MMO heresy.


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Old 05-12-2007, 07:18 AM   #86
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A MMO for Star Wars will NEVER work. Why? Because everyone wants to be a Jedi. Come on now, every Generation X boy wanted to be Luke Skywalker. Is it because he was a whiney farm boy from some backwater hack planet? No, it's because he was a FREAKING JEDI. He could block lasers with his lightsaber. He could levitate droids & rocks & crap with his mind. Come on, he choked to pig dudes with just a simple gesture. He cut off Darth Vader's hand and kicked him down a flight of stairs. He got his @$$ zapped by lightning from the geezer Emperor, stood up and said "s'at all you got b!tc#??"

Let's face it, everyone wants to be a Jedi in an MMO. If that weren't true then you wouldn't see so many noobs in every single MMORPG begging and pleading to have someone power level-up for them.
Well, not everyone, though I do think you're right that this is indeed the core of the problem.

It's not one that can't be overcome, however. The simple solution is to set the MMORGP during the time of the original trilogy or just before. Then it won't be a problem because there are no jedi. And no, we won't allow anyone to go to Tatooine or Dagobah


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Old 05-12-2007, 01:15 PM   #87
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Well, Galaxies is set during the Original Trilogy...that went really well...

Jedi are a core problem. If developers do not allow Jedi, what makes a Star Wars MMORPG...well Star Wars? It's like the Lord of the Rings Online without Hobbits or World of WarCraft without Orcs. It becomes a standard sci-fi RPG that only "true" fans can fully appreciate. Unfortunately, our numbers are not that great.


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Old 05-12-2007, 01:22 PM   #88
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Exactly my point. If there aren't Jedi or Sith, then it's just another Star Trek or Battlestar Galactica.


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Old 05-15-2007, 07:18 PM   #89
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Yes, Everyone who plays a Star Wars MMO wish to be a Jedi, But it is not the problem . The Problem is Just the Timeline. If you make the game suitable for a SW MMORPG, then there will be no problem.SWGs first problem is the timeline, according to timeline, there were just 2 jedis alive , the GCW will not provide enough variation for players to get on a side and fight each because it was between ep4-ep5 and there is just Empire crushing all Galaxy and there are a few Rebel forces and 2 Jedis.

As i said, The timeline is The Problem not the Jedis.

KOTOR is the BEST timeline for a SW MMO
Jedi, Sith, Republic , Mandolorians, Chezka Corp, The planets, the visiual environment , The Factions and the Races makes KOTOR the Best for a SW MMO.and i know lots of people who want to be Mandolorian or Sith or a Bounty Hunter working for Hutts, NOT want to be a JEDi. Also, KOTOR can create the difference between Jedi and the Sith, SWG couldnt do this.

I am praying to be the Rumour is True.

If it is, We will taste the BEST Star Wars Experience Ever.
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Old 05-15-2007, 07:28 PM   #90
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Actually according to the Expanded Universe stories of Star Wars, there were many more than just Kenobi and Yoda. Since Star Wars Galaxies is way the hell far away from being canonical Star Wars, I think it's safe to assume that there could be a few hundred Jedi and force-trained people. However due to the great Jedi Purge of Darth Vader, they would all be in hiding, just like Kenobi and Yoda.

I guess I won't mind if there is a MMORPG based during the KOTOR timeline. However if it's the official KOTOR3 story, then the entire Star Wars space/time continuum will collapse. Well o.k. maybe not that dramatic, but it will be horrible if they make it the canonical storyline. But if you do that, then why not make it take place during the Hyperspace war, or the Exar Kun war? Heck, even the Mandalorian War would be better.

I will be honest, I've never played Star Wars Galaxies. I am a huge Star Wars fan and I wouldn't wipe my @$$ with that vile filth. Why? It's just a poor quality game. There's nothing in the story that draws me in. I guess that's because there is no story. Just a bunch of wannabees running around pretending to be Jedi. It reminds me of the UK census when all those people put "Jedi Knight" as their religion.

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Old 05-15-2007, 09:43 PM   #91
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Goodness, please, for all that is holy, no! When Warcraft got turned into an MMORPG, it sounded awesome in theory, but it ended up being little more than an endless grinding spree for gear, faction reputation, consumables and so on. Now either you go hardcore and join a raiding guild that hits endgame instances every day of the week, or you just go around playing with alts and trying to avoid teaming up with lamers who will get your whole group killed.

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Old 05-15-2007, 09:49 PM   #92
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LOL.

"I'm a n00b. U R teh powurful jedi. Can I join U and pwer up?"

Blech....no thanks. I wouldn't waste the piss to put out that fire.


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Old 05-16-2007, 04:06 AM   #93
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Oh how I would cry if KOTOR was actually made into an MMO. It ruins absolutely everything KOTOR stands for...

After years of playing WoW (Which I only played for the few good friends I had at the time) and other MMOs and giving them all up, I don't think I could ever look at Star Wars again without having a bad taste in my mouth.

Damn, I can't even look at the Matrix trilogy anymore without feeling depressed after playing Matrix Online.

I like smaller, smarter communities and WoW really began to suck the life and sanity out of me after awhile. When Role-Play died for me in the game, I lost interest very quickly. It wasn't worth even the incredible friends I made to keep playing that mind trap.

See? Even thinking about it makes me sad!
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Old 05-16-2007, 05:05 AM   #94
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how can you be so sure about the kotor MMO will ruin the kotor legend?. i played wow, swg, eve online and i say that it is not imposiible to create quality role playing in a MMO. first of all you should seperate SWG into pre-CU, CU , and NGE. NGE is a crap this is obvious, CU was a plan to transform swg into a Wow clone, but pre-cu...

pre-cu had the best uniqe system for a mmo and people played this game not just killing each other or climb Levels like wow , they played for the community they played for rp , watching sunset at mos eisley, meeting friends at Mop, just feeling the atmosphere in Cantina, and i was there man ,be sure, pre-cu did it BEST. and still some of pre-cu vets (right now about 19 000 people) trying to bring this awasome game back. u can look from here:

www.swgemu.com.


Bioware is the best rpg game company imo, and if Bioware is developing a Kotor MMO, just relax,you can be sure they will consider all these concerns.
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A lot of people won't buy a MMOG, myself included, because they don't want to pay to play a game they already paid for.
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Old 05-16-2007, 10:23 AM   #96
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A lot of people won't buy a MMOG, myself included, because they don't want to pay to play a game they already paid for.
Have you ever played a MMORPG game?
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Old 05-16-2007, 10:27 AM   #97
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Aside from Runescape, TDZK, and Well of Souls I haven't and the only reason I played those at all is cause I didn't have to pay by the month.
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Old 05-16-2007, 10:44 AM   #98
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if you want to play a good MMO game it should be monthly paid, because single player games and online games arent same. online games have monthly costs, immediate bug fixing, customer services and lots of things, but all this costs bring you one thing that single player games cannot give you:

playing with other real people. playing NOT with the same repetitious AI, the real human logic.

yes it is an expensive entertainment, not just money time costs too. But if you want a quality community, immediate help when you have a problem, fast servers, and good expansions for the future of the game, yes: it should be monthly paid.

and please dont be prejudiced, as i said before KOTOR Timeline is the Best Timeline and if Bioware is developing the Kotor MMO ( please GOD)
This game will be a legend...
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Old 05-16-2007, 11:25 AM   #99
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playing with other real people. playing NOT with the same repetitious AI, the real human logic.
My issue is that that real human logic is often not a complete fit for the universe it is in. For me, it is very hard to get immersion in a game world with human players. For FPS MP games that isn't too bad, but that is why I tend to perfer SP games...

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My issue is that that real human logic is often not a complete fit for the universe it is in. For me, it is very hard to get immersion in a game world with human players
Tell me about it.. I play DDO and if I hadn't joined the guild I'm in, I would've quit playing by now.

It's great at first (read: excusable) when everything is "fresh", but once you start getting the hang of things and wanting to seriously get in to it... That's when it's hard to enjoy playing when you're pugging and hearing "zOMG, I totaly pWned tht kobold!!!1!! LOLLOLOLO... " >.<


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I don't know. Before getting into MMO's, I played online FPS a lot. The transition was actually great for me. People are less aggressive in MMORPGs and less stupid...at least from my personal experience.


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high quality Developer brings high quality Subject, high quality subject brings high quality community..

for example: Dark Age Of Camelot or Eve Online
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high quality Developer brings high quality Subject, high quality subject brings high quality community..

for example: Dark Age Of Camelot or Eve Online
...high quality community, brings in 'plat farmers' and other 3rd party buy our gold, credits, items spam...

It doesn't matter who makes it or what the subject is, all mmo's will attract 'all sorts' (there are plenty of horror stories for both DAoC and Eve on Google). Even paying a monthly fee doesn't stop them
However, the benefit of having the 'high quality developers' would be a dev team or support staff to limit the annoyances or layeth down the ban-hammer


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Still I totally agree with True_Avery on the "not paying to play a game I already paid for." It's foolish. It makes no sense. If anything the game should be a FREE download, and then you pay for monthly subscriptions.

Because I like the Matrix and Star Wars too much, I have never played their respective MMORPGs. I have known people who were the biggest SW fans in the world, and the moment they played SWG, Star Wars died to them. They actually now hate Star Wars just because of how SWG RAPED the subject matter.

Like I said before, I don't care if they make a MMO based on Star Wars at the timeframe of KOTOR. However please dear God, don't let them market it as the official canonical KOTOR 3. They'll still make their money off the suckers who get sucked into MMOs (please don't take offense to that, I'm just stating my opinion), however they'll lose millions in revenue from people who are faithful to the KOTOR series.


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Old 05-17-2007, 06:12 AM   #105
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if you want to play a good MMO game it should be monthly paid, because single player games and online games arent same. online games have monthly costs, immediate bug fixing, customer services and lots of things, but all this costs bring you one thing that single player games cannot give you:

playing with other real people. playing NOT with the same repetitious AI, the real human logic.
Yes it brings me also:
playing with dumb real people, including chipmonk kids, diluted fret boys, cheaters, professional grinders.

playing NOT with the same repetitious AI, the real human logic. They are only even more repetitious, killing the same darn thing over and over again to level, and picking on preferably n00bish low level, or whatever the lowest weakest target that is deemed profitable, preferably ganking.

Granted, MMO can be good, I had my share of fun(and unfun) with SWG.

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yes it is an expensive entertainment, not just money time costs too. But if you want a quality community, immediate help when you have a problem, fast servers, and good expansions for the future of the game, yes: it should be monthly paid.
From what I remember, bug fixing is not that immediate, and usually causes other problems. But yes I am willing to pay every month if things are worth it.

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and please dont be prejudiced, as i said before KOTOR Timeline is the Best Timeline and if Bioware is developing the Kotor MMO ( please GOD)
This game will be a legend...
No it is not. And you know that whatever favor of the story and what not will not exist after a few weeks, cause ole-playing really does not exist that much in an MMO, and same goes for storyling. Everything is mostly devided to "things that give good loot and such" and "things that are useless" And storyline? what storyline. I mean think about WoW, it is fun, really fun, but really the whole Warcraft is just a name that draws in players... there is not much warcraft worldview about it.
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every community has stupid and low quality people man
just look at Knight Online and than Eve online see the difference
repeting,
KOTOR is Freakin Suitable For a MMO imo

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role playing will be exist in this MMO because it is Bioware..
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Still I totally agree with True_Avery on the "not paying to play a game I already paid for." It's foolish. It makes no sense.
Why does it make no sense? Those huge servers don't run and maintain themselves, nor does the bandwidth pay for itself. How do you propose the extra costs above the development be payed for?

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Why does it make no sense? Those huge servers don't run and maintain themselves, nor does the bandwidth pay for itself. How do you propose the extra costs above the development be payed for?
totally agree.
they dont understand the difficulties and costs of an online game server.
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It makes no sense. If anything the game should be a FREE download, and then you pay for monthly subscriptions.
That'll take care of their server maintenance, bandwidth, and whatnot. Let me get a little preemptive here.
Q: Oh but it doesn't cover development costs. How can game companies make any money?

A: Yawn. I don't care. I refuse to have to keep paying for a game after I already pumped $50 or more to take it off the store shelf. I really simply do not care.


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Well, considering Lucas Arts' poor record in handling SW:G, I'm not sure if they have what it takes to handle a KOTOR MMO without completely butchering it.


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Old 05-18-2007, 03:27 AM   #111
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I know a post like this ought to really go in an off-topic forum, but I beg the moderators to please forgive me in this instance. I want to set something straight.

I'm not saying that MMOs need to be banned or anything like that. I don't care. I'm not even trying to insult anyone who plays MMOs. My personal opinion is that MMOs are idiotic, but hey I feel the same toward reality TV. What the @#$% is wrong with people where they sit and stare at these boring shows on TV? It's like my cat who sits and stares at me no matter what I'm doing (cooking, working out, gaming, pooping, gettin' some from my wife, etc...). Are these people not better than my cat, a non-sapient animal?

I feel like Maximus Meridius (Russell Crowe's character in the movie Gladiator) standing in the middle of the arena shouting out to the crowd "ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?"

With that said, I (normally) silently protest what my opinion deems as sheer nincompoopery (heh heh...hey Beavis, he said "poop") out of respect for my fellow human and their God-given gift of sapience and freedom of choice in such matters. And after all, my opinion is exactly that, nothing more than an opinion.

Reaching my conclusion (not just this post, but also to my involvement in this discussion) while I strongly feel that a KOTOR 3 MMORPG would be a foolish venture for Lucasarts, and whomever gets suckered into making the rotten festering filth, I respect the desire and choice of those who decide to partake of it. I promise that I would not look down on my fellow human, as long as he/she understands that we are better than my cat (although he is a cute son-on-a-gun).

With that my friends, I bid you I bid you adieu, and game on. And remember, if you find yourself alone, riding in the green fields with the sun on your face, do not be troubled. For you are in Elysium, and you're already dead!


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Old 05-18-2007, 03:34 AM   #112
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You're preaching to the friendly Choir, here. Not going to help much.

Oh yeah, and your dream Star Wars RPG where you don't pay anything at all...SWG EMU is here. It's a free download. I should try it...sooner or later.

http://www.swgemu.com/


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Old 05-18-2007, 09:14 AM   #113
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I don't know. Before getting into MMO's, I played online FPS a lot. The transition was actually great for me. People are less aggressive in MMORPGs and less stupid...at least from my personal experience.
Speaking of the CS community?

I've also played a lot of FPS and World of Warcraft.. and there isn't all that much difference anymore when it comes to community..
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Old 05-18-2007, 10:00 AM   #114
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That'll take care of their server maintenance, bandwidth, and whatnot. Let me get a little preemptive here.
Q: Oh but it doesn't cover development costs. How can game companies make any money?

A: Yawn. I don't care. I refuse to have to keep paying for a game after I already pumped $50 or more to take it off the store shelf. I really simply do not care.


How does this answer the question?

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Old 05-18-2007, 11:11 AM   #115
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high quality Developer brings high quality Subject, high quality subject brings high quality community..

for example: Dark Age Of Camelot or Eve Online
If only it were that simple. Unfortunately it is not. The classic argument that "good games sell and crap games don't" can be safely ignored. Lots of games rated very highly in reviews had very little success, while games with lower ratings sold many, many copies.

The games you mention were successful because they offered something new. Dark Age of Camelot had horseriding, for example, while Eve Online has a totally unique niche - the game has no competitors in its own field, which must a dream-come-true for CCP Games. Eve Online also has a very well founded concept to built on - if the fanbase grows (and it has been steadily for several years), then it's very easy to add a new solar system to the - quite literally - expanding universe of the game.

No. Quality alone won't sell or attract an audience. But unique and original features can.


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Old 05-18-2007, 04:36 PM   #116
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Yes, Everyone who plays a Star Wars MMO wish to be a Jedi, But it is not the problem . The Problem is Just the Timeline. If you make the game suitable for a SW MMORPG, then there will be no problem.SWGs first problem is the timeline, according to timeline, there were just 2 jedis alive , the GCW will not provide enough variation for players to get on a side and fight each because it was between ep4-ep5 and there is just Empire crushing all Galaxy and there are a few Rebel forces and 2 Jedis.

As i said, The timeline is The Problem not the Jedis.

KOTOR is the BEST timeline for a SW MMO
Jedi, Sith, Republic , Mandolorians, Chezka Corp, The planets, the visiual environment , The Factions and the Races makes KOTOR the Best for a SW MMO.and i know lots of people who want to be Mandolorian or Sith or a Bounty Hunter working for Hutts, NOT want to be a JEDi. Also, KOTOR can create the difference between Jedi and the Sith, SWG couldnt do this.

I am praying to be the Rumour is True.

If it is, We will taste the BEST Star Wars Experience Ever.
i agree 110% kotor is the ideal timeline for a SW MMO
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Old 05-19-2007, 11:43 AM   #117
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I've also played a lot of FPS and World of Warcraft.. and there isn't all that much difference anymore when it comes to community..
No, Battlefield 1942 and the mods. Seriously, aside from a few idiots here and there in World of WarCraft, I've had a pretty good experience. Battlefield, although fun, had some pretty horrible people playing it. I asked for help thousands of times just to be ignored in 99% of the cases. Don't get me wrong, I loved the game, it just wasn't fun to play with stupid people anymore.

I also played Diablo 2 online for quite a while. That was even worst. I will not speak of it, because it brings back bad memories.


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Old 05-19-2007, 04:04 PM   #118
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If there are any doubts on BioWare and a MMORPG title in the works, here is an article directly from the horses mouth:
http://www.bioware.com/bioware_info/..._03_15_Austin/

I didn't get a chance to search every post in this thread, so I apologize for missing the link if posted.

Aparently, there is a MMORPG on the way, but the title for the game has not been released. If 'Knights of the Old Republic' becomes a MMORPG, I personally believe that my experiences with the KotOR series will end. It looks like they have been working on the project since March 2006.

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Old 05-19-2007, 04:30 PM   #119
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Given that Bioware has officially said that they are not working on KotOR3 in their forum at the beginning of march, can we lay these speculations to rest, please?

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To echo Chris: if it's being done, it's certainly not being done by us.
http://forums.bioware.com/forums/vie...&forum=22&sp=0

EDIT: The quote is from page 2 of the discussion on Bioware's forum


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Old 05-19-2007, 04:36 PM   #120
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If there are any doubts on BioWare and a MMORPG title in the works, here is an article directly from the horses mouth:
http://www.bioware.com/bioware_info/..._03_15_Austin/

I didn't get a chance to search every post in this thread, so I apologize for missing the link if posted.

Aparently, there is a MMORPG on the way, but the title for the game has not been released. If 'Knights of the Old Republic' becomes a MMORPG, I personally believe that my experiences with the KotOR series will end. It looks like they have been working on the project since March 2006.

R.I.P. KotOR
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its been developing since December 2005.
i believe it is a KOTOR MMO.
here is a Poll, i wish to see your votes too:
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/127825
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