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Old 03-20-2008, 06:48 PM   #161
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Here's some sad news for those following the fortunes of AMD..
AMD to Lay off 5% of workforce > which amounts to about 800 workers This is one area where theyre glad not to beat intel, with their 10,000 worker cull
I must point out that AMD firmly denies this.

It's not all bad though
^ Business is business after all, and with a company that's in as much trouble as AMD/Ati is atm, I'm suprised it's only an alleged 5% layoffs...Hopefully they can put the money to good use. Maybe on more things like this:
AMD gets first ever DisplayPort certification
^ That's good stuff.

S3 launches new GPU
^ well they're certainly not aiming for the 9800 GX2 lolz

*sigh* I really miss the days when 3dfx Voodoos were pummeling everyone else...



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Old 03-21-2008, 04:36 AM   #162
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only 5%? Tell that to the <alleged> 800 people who are unemployed negsun !!

Hopefully it is just a rumour spread by unscrupulous intel peeps... I wonder if the inquirer has an intel bias...I'm not on it long enough to notice ...

All this new GPU stuff coming to fore... I must admit, I love the idea of hybrid GPU technology(from a power efficiency POV). Imagine combining a hybrid mainboard with a CnGPU setup >> this means that you could potentially get TRI or QUAD SLI/XF without a discrete card(or just a singe card for quad) >> now that is a freakin great idea!

Thats the only way to smash games like crysis at HD without buying a discrete card(or 3) that costs as much as a small car, but more expensive to run!!

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Old 03-21-2008, 07:17 PM   #163
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Hopefully it is just a rumour spread by unscrupulous intel peeps... I wonder if the inquirer has an intel bias...I'm not on it long enough to notice ...
You wonder correctly...It's so far up Intel's behind you can't see their metaphorical feet anymore most of the time

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All this new GPU stuff coming to fore... I must admit, I love the idea of hybrid GPU technology(from a power efficiency POV). Imagine combining a hybrid mainboard with a CnGPU setup >> this means that you could potentially get TRI or QUAD SLI/XF without a discrete card(or just a singe card for quad) >> now that is a freakin great idea!

Thats the only way to smash games like crysis at HD without buying a discrete card(or 3) that costs as much as a small car, but more expensive to run!!
The 780G chipset with integrated HD3400 GPU and Hybrid Crossfire is truly a work of art, not only does it totally pwn in Hybrid Crossfire and say an HD3870 at most resolutions (1680x1050 or below, bar Crysis), the IGP is also extremely overclockable (from 500Mhz to 800Mhz with no extra cooling, and even more with some added voltage and fans)
Here's a nice little graph of it, mind it's only with the HD3450 at the top, but it 's only at 1024x768 as well, imagine it with an HD3870 and a higher rez and I'm sure the results would still pwn!




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Old 03-22-2008, 07:33 AM   #164
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nice... but as we've seen, the 8800/9800 performs better than the 3870/GX2 at UHD. When they pop one of those on a mainboard...then things will start cooking Heck, they already do a mobile 8800 for laptops, so it's by all means feasible - moreso an inevitable really

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Old 03-22-2008, 04:15 PM   #165
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nice... but as we've seen, the 8800/9800 performs better than the 3870/GX2 at UHD.
Yes, but not everyone operates at 1920x1200 or above



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Old 03-23-2008, 09:53 AM   #166
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Yes, but not everyone operates at 1920x1200 or above
cmon, two years ago, if you asked the average enthusiastic gamer what they play at, itd be 1280 x 1024 >> now its closer to 1600x1200 >> within another 12 months and beyond, 1080 capable LCDs will further drop in price, making HD gaming commonplace, and not just the purview of display junkies like me!

The GPU market has already shifted towards this end... with DVI/HDMI out ports on specialist mainboards and graphics cards... heck, theres no standard vga out on most of the new cards these days. Compared to DVI/HDMI, above 1600x1200 VGA(an analogue standard)cant cut it, so the reason for it is quite practical.

Many of us are already there negsun, for the rest it is simply a matter of time.

Its a digital world now negsun...not an analogue one

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Old 03-23-2008, 10:49 AM   #167
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I'm old school

But I get your point, just from a cash-strapped point of view, we enjoy what we can



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Old 03-23-2008, 12:36 PM   #168
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Astro has a point.

The present gaming "standard" is 1680x1050, which is the widescreen equivalent to 1280x1024.

Prices on 1920x1200 monitors are dropping fast, however, and it's expected to become the new standard resolution for gaming very soon, making affordable high-performance GPUs more necessary than ever.

As far as R700 goes, if AMD can just make the core and shader clocks run separately like Nvidia did, then there is no doubt in my mind that R700 will be competitive. Look at how close they came without doing that. Their GPUs can clock very high, and they've solved the power consumption problem by going to 55nm. Separate core and shader clocks are the only obstacle that they need to overcome to beat Nvidia.


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Old 03-24-2008, 12:07 AM   #169
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nice... but as we've seen, the 8800/9800 performs better than the 3870/GX2 at UHD. When they pop one of those on a mainboard...then things will start cooking Heck, they already do a mobile 8800 for laptops, so it's by all means feasible - moreso an inevitable really

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well, i say you're missing the point. correct me if i'm wrong, but NegSun was talking about Hybrid XFire with a 780G IGP and a discreet 3450 card. a mid-range Hybrid XFire system doesn't even stack up to a single 3870 much less an 8800/9800. oh yeah, and don't forget that there's also about a $150-300 price difference between the two. now, in my mind, that's like comparing a Porche to a VW.

if you want to make it even, then you really need to compare it to something similar from Nvidia, and at this point, there are no Hybrid SLi systems available much less benchies to compare it.

yeah, i can see your point that only high res benchies should be considered, but your still talking about cutting edge, not mainstream. just because something is affordable doesn't mean that there's automatically large consumer base waiting to pick it up and use it right away. something like moving from low-res gaming to high-res gaming is probably going to take a while especially considering what gamers are actually using.

according to Valve's Hardware Survey, over 70% of gamers (link) are still using 4:3 aspect monitors, and that means the best you're going to get there is 1600x1200, but most 4:3 monitors usually max at 1280x1024, and that means that low-end benchmarks are still quite relevant in every GPU market.

sorry mate, but it just seems that you're real quick to point that stuff out when it hardly seems like a fair comparison, especially for us folks that still have a budget to consider.


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sorry mate, but it just seems that you're real quick to point that stuff out when it hardly seems like a fair comparison, especially for us folks that still have a budget to consider...
We all have a budget to consider! If I was so well monied for finances not to be a consideration, I'd be in my beach house in the bahamas, strolling around trying not to bump into the LCD walls

You are making the haughty assumption that the results of a DRM content delivery client(aka Steam) are representative of 70% of the gaming market!

Ive definitely never used it, and I know many that can say the same.

Rather than looking at steams results, we should consider the market forces that propel the manufacturers to churn out the amount of product they do. If the mid>higher end was only attracting 30% of the market share **of the gaming market** what would that say about their profit margin??

2 years ago I was playing KOTOR/2 maxed at 1280... I wonder if I wouldve gotten sour-pussed for saying

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awe cmon! In 2 years we'll be gaming at HD! Mark my words!!
When ATI and nvidia churn out lower price products that make a decent run at good performance on lower end machines, the gains made also transfer over to playable output rez, otherwise thered be no point upgrading a graphics card, if all you want is 60fps at 1024.

Hybrid and fusion tech is the way of the future, because it combines a way of delivering improved performance, at a lower overhead cost to manufacturers, not to mention the power efficiency advantages for consumers.

To quote Guru3Ds 2008 Cebit report:

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...You already heard about it here at Guru3D, early staged but obviously NVIDIA is working hard on Hybrid solutions as well. Very simply put, after nForce 790 all their mainboards will get an integrated graphics core.
Their CeBit 2008 coverage is awesome, if you are a gear head and you havent checked it out yet, its a must read!

Of course, hybrid tech, esp in higher end gaming terms wont be getting you 1337 SLI figures in crysis just yet, but something like this (and project fusion) is the kick up the backside the industry needed(from an R&D point of view)

here's a peek at the future


From a curiosity POV, I'll start a poll for what is the max native rez of our monitors. Im curious to see if we get that 70-30% split

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Old 03-24-2008, 03:45 PM   #171
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You are making the haughty assumption that the results of a DRM content delivery client(aka Steam) are representative of 70% of the gaming market!

Ive definitely never used it, and I know many that can say the same.
Astro, have you looked at the number of unique samples in that survey?

1,461,426

I've seen government bodies publish reports with less samples than that and claim it to be "representative".
Fact is as well, Steam is a gamer-orientated community, so I would consider those numbers as very accurate in the gaming community, for example it also states the 2GB of RAM is pretty much standard and the 8800 is the top GPU, all sounds reasonable to me

I'm not disputing the fact that gaming isn't moving to a widescreen, Hi-Rez level, just that Hybrid Crossfire with cheap Ati single GPU solutions (even the HD3850 or 3870 can be considered cheap nowadays, or at least very good value for money) can lease a new life to the lower resolutions for todays' most modern games, as they've proven themselves to be more than capable at resolutions of 1680x1050 or below...

Fair enough, 24" 1920x1200 are dropping in price like mad, but to most people they're still a bit too much to stretch a budget to, 17", 19" and 22" even are the sweet spots these days for value for money, and at those resolutions, Hybrid Crossfire can do some serious damage, even with a low end discrete GPU...



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Old 03-25-2008, 03:01 PM   #172
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Astro, have you looked at the number of unique samples in that survey?

1,461,426

I've seen government bodies publish reports with less samples than that and claim it to be "representative".
Negsun!! dig out your stats manual and check what figure for population value ("n") mathematically proven to be constituent of a normal distribution. The Bell curve *never* lies! (answer n=50)

Think about how many gamers there are in the whole world, 1.5m into that number is nowhere near 70%, and hence cannot be said to represent 70% of all gamers... but only "70% of all gamers who use steam" >> The reason is because unlike government assays and scientific experiments, the population has not been randomly allocated/selected, so its power to be truly representative is not as strong.

The native rez poll has confirmed my suspicions that the uptake of 1600+ rez displays is on the increase > the numbers are slightly skewed towards the 12xx range simply due to the fact that so many people have laptops. Interesting to know, nonetheless

It would be good to see what the same poll run at G3D would dredge up

Another factor that I'd like to throw in as far as representation is concerned are multimedia pc owners. Due to the advent of HD in TV/Cable/BRay, the adoption of HD displays has increased staggeringly, and for those with multimedia pcs, the GPUs have stepped up a few notches accordingly.

Prediction you can bet you house on: The format wars having been decided, when BR drives hit pcs as a norm, these being accompanied by HD ready displays is simply inevitable. Considering you can now get oem BR/DVDRW for $200US(almost 200% less than 12 months ago), this time isnt too far off!

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Old 03-26-2008, 03:35 AM   #173
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Dbl post, as it is simply intriguing enough to be a post on its own, and doesn't need to be garbled amongst the above musings

G3D has finally been allowed to publish their 2x 9800GX2 Quad-SLI testbed results.

Definitely some gains in HD>UHD(50fps in crysis at 2560 x 1600, and a fully maxed COD4 which apparently knocked the reviewers socks off at 1600p), but is it worth the phenomenal cost? no freakin' way!

Also, in the higher end games the quad doesn't do much better than the single 9800GX2. Sure, stable Q-SLI optimised drivers and games dont exist, let alone games that are tweaked for it(or x64 for that matter)

2x 9800GX2Quad SLI reviewed... Many Bothans trees died bringing you this review

Multi-GPU gaming is the future, but not in this expensive getup. The quicker we can do away with mega expensive discrete cards, the better. Fusion+Hybrid is the answer, IMO

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Two 9800GX2s. And... surprise! It still can't play Crysis worth a damn.

That game is cursed. Cursed, I tell you!

Uh, hey Nvidia: I think it's high time that you released a better GPU, because SLI is a friggin' joke. So stop milking tech that you've had out for a year and a half already just because AMD is offering no competition ATM. Nobody in their right mind is going to spend their high-end dollars on that crap. We already know that GT200 has taped out, so release it already.

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Two 9800GX2s. And... surprise! It still can't play Crysis worth a damn.
tremendous cost aside, 50fps at 2560 isnt bad at all. Do we really need to go into all that stuff about how our eye doesnt catch much over 60Hz, which equals the base average of 60fps as far as game performance goes.... add to that the fact that there are no UHD monitors that output 1600p above 60Hz anyway, so 50/60 aint too bad.

Still, I agree that the efficiency of the G92 coudl be better... Though AMDs comparative GX2 effort is an also-ran as far as high end gaming performance is concerned. I can see AMD carving themselves a niche(as they always have) but they are not likely to topple nvidia in the high end GPU game.

And of course, with regards to CPUs, we all wait with baited breath as to what the 3.0GHz+ Phenoms will do...!!

SLI/XF isnt the issue, its how its implemented. Just like having multi CPU sockets isnt efficient as them on one die, multi GPU onto one mainb/PCB is the necessary next step...coupled with optimised games/apps/drivers... and dare I say x64?!

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tremendous cost aside, 50fps at 2560 isnt bad at all.
On very high quality settings?
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And of course, with regards to CPUs, we all wait with baited breath as to what the 3.0GHz+ Phenoms will do...!!
I hope that they can eventually clock that high. For the sake of competition I really do.
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Still, I agree that the efficiency of the G92 coudl be better... Though AMDs comparative GX2 effort is an also-ran as far as high end gaming performance is concerned. I can see AMD carving themselves a niche(as they always have) but they are not likely to topple nvidia in the high end GPU game.
Agreed. G92 is still using a 65nm process while AMD has moved their GPU's to a 55 nm process. I do like NVIDIA's Hybrid SLI concept though. The idea of having a low end on-board GPU coupled with a high-end discrete card that would only kick in when it's processing power is needed appeals to my sense of efficient use of electrical power.


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On very high quality settings?
COnsidering the *massive* framebuffers associated with filling that many pixels a second, you cant say youre massively surprised they couldnt pull it off yet. I dont anyone thought G92 was a 'crysis killer' > especially nvidia. If that was the case they would have released it much much earlier....!

I dont even think their next line is going to do it either, but will probably get close in SLI.

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I do like NVIDIA's Hybrid SLI concept though.
AMD's already there

I agree it's time for a next generation of cards, and not just re-hashes or double the GPU on one card...Hybrid Crossfire is definitely the height of technology, with the on-board GPU handling the everyday tasks and the discrete one on top of the on-board one handling some gaming...Sounds sweet and energy efficient



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Sounds like a good idea for a gaming laptop.


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Sounds like a good idea for a gaming laptop.
funnily enough, the trade off between high performance and energy efficiency is something has been at the core of mobile CPU/CPU design.

Intel got back ontop when they threw out the pipeline heavy netburst architecture and applied their mobile tech design(Pentium M) to develop their Core series.

In the same breath, it can also be said that AMDs mobile equivalent(Turion) are a renowned cool, green and quiet peformer.

Looking at both Intel and AMDs roadmaps, there is more of a convergence between desktop and mobile platforms than has been previously.

The R&D challenges mobile CPU designers face are starting to parallel in deskie versions...as functionality and cost effectiveness demands more kit be crammed onto the same pcb space!

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That's what I hear. Have you seen any of the new Hybrid Crossfire RS780 motherboards available for purchase yet? I'm interested in seeing what is available and if any of the h/w sites have done performance reviews yet. I'm not sure that Hybrid Crossfire is at a point that I would be interested in it just yet.


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That's what I hear. Have you seen any of the new Hybrid Crossfire RS780 motherboards available for purchase yet? I'm interested in seeing what is available and if any of the h/w sites have done performance reviews yet. I'm not sure that Hybrid Crossfire is at a point that I would be interested in it just yet.
I've posted about it in the Hardware Megathread actually, Clicky

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7 New Phenoms!
^ Thank f***! Looks like AMD's been studying Intel's recent price cuts and is going for the lower end of the market to swoop some of Intel's ground there, good move IMO, if they can't beat the raw Intel power, beat them on value!
It needs to stay really close to the 100 mark if it's to take people's eyes off the Q6600 that's now sitting lower at 145, which it looks like it's doing:

AnandTech's in-depth review of the new Phenoms
^ Very interesting read, and it's good to see AMD is creeping closer to the 3.0Ghz mark, and is finally offering some real competition thanks to it's extremely good pricing towards the Q6600.

HD3850X2 on the way?
^ Rumor atm, but interesting nonetheless, and it would seem to fit in AMD's current strategy...If it manages to bring us a card like that for under 150 then it would just plain pwn the mi-range!

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^ 1Gb of RAM and 12Gb SSD!!! I wants it!
ya, with financial year ticking over soon, astro will be giving his current eee back and getting this one... I do think touchscreen is ridiculous unless you can flip the screen around and go tablet style on it >> who wants to reach over a keyboard to write on a touchscreen !! its just doesnt make any sense!

All we need is a hsdpa sim slot and it will be the ubertoy the original OLPC eee could never be >>though you can mod it to achieve this with a bit of trickery

Good to see AMD coming into the game with their thinkin caps on. Not overyone wants 60fps at 1600p. The phenoms can do what most people need to do with PCs, and if they can do it cheaper, they have intel beat from a mass market POV......thats where the money's at!

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I do think touchscreen is ridiculous unless you can flip the screen around and go tablet style on it >> who wants to reach over a keyboard to write on a touchscreen !! its just doesnt make any sense!
That's what a keyboard's for Astro

I think the touchscreen could be good for people (like me) who don't like touchpads



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That's what a keyboard's for Astro

I think the touchscreen could be good for people (like me) who don't like touchpads
I dont like touchpads either, but banging my finger on the screen and not being able to use a stylus to write properly is crazy.

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DailyTech - "Creative Says Custom Drivers Are 'Stealing,' Gets Rocked by Protests"

I guess Creative's Vista drivers for its Audigy cards don't have the same level of functionality that its WinXP drivers do. So this guy, daniel_k, has apparently been creating drivers that enable what Creative turned off. Creative apparently isn't very happy about what he's been doing and have now told him to cease and desist.

Anybody got suggestions for a good non-Creative sound card? I've been using Creative products for so long now that I don't even know what else is out there.


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well, i know that Asus has a very, very good challenger for the X-Fi, and while it isn't as good for gaming, at least it works well for most operating systems. it also boasts a slightly better feature set and a bit more sound quality.

i like it enough that i'm probably going to use it in my next build (ie, when Crysis 3 is launched and i'll need the equivalent of 4 current day enthusiast systems). XP


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I got a shockin set of ears, I dont get fancy sound cards/speakers.. its all noise to me. I think I love quiet too much... I played most of COD4 with the volume off, listening to the purr of my cats instead

Crysis 3...lolz....circa 2011 perhaps, and a Windows 8 directX12 exclusive to boot

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Apparently the multi-GPU concept is getting out of hand.


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Multi GPU is the future...look at the next gen consoles... would anyone buy them if they were designed top heavy like gaming PCs??

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Hmmm:

Intel to make SSDs

Dunno if I should be happy about that or not...More competition in this area could be a good thing to drive SSD prices down faster and bring more Gbs to them quicker as well.



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lolz...Intel and their fingers in many pies Good for competition to be sure, still, SSDs are a bit out of most peoples price range atm,, Give it a year and a bit

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Here's some new from the Microsoft front this time:

Gates slips up? Windows 7 in '09?
^ Interesting stuff, especially when you look at my next bit of news as well.
Vista has gone wrong in two major points IMO: 1) The god-knows-how-many different versions of it, and 2) The whole Vista-ready debacle.
When Win 7 comes it should be like XP, one "Home" version and a "Pro" one, or one "Lite" (for low-spec or low demanding computing) and one "Uber" version...Learn from Linux and try and reduce all the installation cr*p to a minimum, speed up boot time, comprehensive driver support from the start (I know it's not totally Microsoft's responsibility, but the Ubuntu "just works" theory is quite catchy, and could earn MS some points if they play it right)
With SSDs on the rise, load times should be dropping soon anyways, but making OSes and apps less bloated can certainly make things even better that way.


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^ I don't see Windows complaining about this though...Fact of the matter is: there's absolutely nothing wrong with XP, it's stable, mature and on most modern PCs it'll run extremely smooth...So as long as the actual need for Vista isn't there, or it doesn't offer any significant benefits over XP, it might end up like WinME and just be overshadowed when Win7 comes. I suppose we'll just have to wait and see.



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The clinginess to XP is no surprise... There is a staggering correlation between mass market uptake of PCs into home/work and the introduction of xp... Link this in with increased prevalence of people using the net over the last several years... hence, *alot* of people out there have only ever known xp, and if its workin', why change

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Alright, probably the last thing you want is a rant from a die-hard Windows user, so I'm sorry...
I think that people have to give Vista more of a chance. I understand the willingness not to "upgrade" to Vista on an XP machine, but I don't understand why people are so afraid of getting it when they get a new computer. There is honestly nothing wrong with it, and to be frank, I give it way higher marks than XP on almost all fronts. Stability, while not bad on XP, is increased. The help system is greatly improved. Windows update couldn't be better now. The UI is cleaner (not only looks better, but it is more functional when browsing through folders). And there are many other features I love.
I am not suggesting that you go and upgrade your XP machine immediately, but rather, don't hesitate to use a Vista machine when you decide you want to buy a new computer. This is just my personal opinion though...



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@urluckday... yes, the vis-hysteria stems from people who were too lazy or dumb to find out if their old school kit was compatible with the new OS. Throw some DRM scaremongering in, and Vista's slow start in the mass market was an inevitability.

I have to admit, in the HTPC world, it was entirely teh opposite!! (usually is)
There was a mass of early vista users... vista media center being inbuilt into HP/Ulti, as well as being far superior to XP Media Center Edition, was polished and ready to from pre public beta, let alone RC1

I, and many others ran a fully functioning htpc on a pre public beta build for over 4 months without a major hitch.

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Alright, probably the last thing you want is a rant from a die-hard Windows user, so I'm sorry...
I think that people have to give Vista more of a chance. I understand the willingness not to "upgrade" to Vista on an XP machine, but I don't understand why people are so afraid of getting it when they get a new computer. There is honestly nothing wrong with it, and to be frank, I give it way higher marks than XP on almost all fronts. Stability, while not bad on XP, is increased. The help system is greatly improved. Windows update couldn't be better now. The UI is cleaner (not only looks better, but it is more functional when browsing through folders). And there are many other features I love.
I am not suggesting that you go and upgrade your XP machine immediately, but rather, don't hesitate to use a Vista machine when you decide you want to buy a new computer. This is just my personal opinion though...
Tried it (Vista came pre-installed on my laptop), slowed down my games and used way too much memory just idling, switched to XP.

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@urluckday... yes, the vis-hysteria stems from people who were too lazy or dumb to find out if their old school kit was compatible with the new OS. Throw some DRM scaremongering in, and Vista's slow start in the mass market was an inevitability.
Exactly. People who haven't switched to Vista are just lazy or dumb



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i don't know how many times i have to tell people this, but Vista uses more memory than XP because of Superfetch. pre-loading the programs you use the most into memory allows that "free" memory to be useful for somthing even during idle. IMHO, that's a very useful feature, especially considering that it does it not just for apps like Firefox and Xfire, but i also noticed that its doing the same for some of my games that i play a lot like Oblivion and Sins of a Solar Empire.

and kudos that you're trying to play games on a laptop. out of curiosity, have you even tried Vista on a high end machine that's designed for gaming?? 50 FPS vs 60 FPS in Unreal III is hardly any difference at all, IMHO.


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....Exactly. People who haven't switched to Vista are just lazy or dumb
um, nope. any opportunity to be inane, jmac is there.... \o/

lazy and dumb are those who went and bought a copy without checking if their kit was ready. Then they get all red in the face, and make YT vids of them shredding their install disc. stupid.

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