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Old 02-22-2008, 05:19 AM   #1
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*SPOILERS* It's not the years. It's the mileage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPTJ4v6KPrg

First the Nazis, now the Soviets. When will the thrill end?

The movie is apparently taking place 19 years after the Last Crusade in the year 1957. After a nice hiatus from adventuring, Indy is whipped back into action to find the Crystal Skull, which is also wanted by Soviet agents.

Hilarity will no doubt ensue


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Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark.
In our obscurity – in all this vastness – there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.
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Old 02-22-2008, 05:30 AM   #2
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Old news is old.

Nevertheless, epic.

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Old 02-22-2008, 02:06 PM   #3
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The trailer was edited to hide something.
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Old 02-22-2008, 06:09 PM   #4
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Old 02-22-2008, 06:40 PM   #5
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Old news is old.

Nevertheless, epic.
Except that now they have a release date; May 22, 2008


"Our posturings, our imagined self-importance,
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are challenged by this point of pale light.
Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark.
In our obscurity – in all this vastness – there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.
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Old 02-22-2008, 06:55 PM   #6
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It seemed to me to have a lot of cgi in it, I hope Speilberg doesn't let Lucas muff it all up.

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Old 02-22-2008, 06:58 PM   #7
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I'm sorry if I offend anyone, but I don't understand that complaint. At least when it comes to Indy. The series has always been ILM's excuse for trying out interesting Special Effects ideas. Raiders was a huge SFX experiment.


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Old 02-22-2008, 08:28 PM   #8
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I'm still a bit dubious about this fourth outing, but if they've retained the humour and action of the others in the series I'll probably enjoy it.

When it comes to CGI effects, they work best when they're not obvious. Too many movies lose some of the immersion factor due to poorly realised CGI, or making characters do things that stretch the bounds of credibility. It's a bit jarring if you can point at the screen and say 'that's the CGI bit'. Sometimes less is more.

I do hope this will be the last movie in the series.
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Old 02-23-2008, 04:42 AM   #9
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It seemed to me to have a lot of cgi in it, I hope Speilberg doesn't let Lucas muff it all up.
I have read that CGI was restricted to use in backgrounds, all stunts and explosions etc. have been done with traditional effects to match the look of the previous films.






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Old 02-24-2008, 03:38 PM   #10
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Looks good.

Guess I should finally get around to watching the first three >.> <.<

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Old 02-24-2008, 09:57 PM   #11
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Nostalgia.


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Old 02-24-2008, 10:40 PM   #12
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Looks good.

Guess I should finally get around to watching the first three >.> <.<

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o.O How have you never seen any Indiana Jones movies? Thats like on the same level as never seeing any Star Wars movies. I can't believe such people even exist.


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Old 02-25-2008, 04:08 AM   #13
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Well, my dad bought the trilogy on DVD a while ago, but I never got around to watching them. I'll probably watch them all in a marathon session next weekend or something.


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Old 02-25-2008, 07:12 AM   #14
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never seen any Indiana Jones movies
Is that correct phrasing and such at all? Looks like there's a ton of spelling errors and assorted grammatical cruelties in there.


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Old 05-22-2008, 08:16 AM   #15
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Saw it last night. It was OK, but the writing was pretty bad at times. It's more like Temple Of Doom than Last Crusade and Raiders, which disappointed me. Ford doesn't seem to have aged a day though.




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Old 05-22-2008, 12:24 PM   #16
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I saw it last night as well. I really liked it but it usually takes a bit for the imperfections of movies I think I will like going in to sink in. Raiders is still my favorite, I can say that much. Some of the lines weren't the greatest, and
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I'll still probably see it again.


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Old 05-22-2008, 04:01 PM   #17
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Is that correct phrasing and such at all? Looks like there's a ton of spelling errors and assorted grammatical cruelties in there.
It is. Is the confusion coming from subject verb agreement? The subject isn't a person--it's a brand with multiple movies. Think of it as "have never seen any movies." Also note that "have seen" is just a different conjugation of "to see" (as compared to "saw").
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Saw it last night. It was OK, but the writing was pretty bad at times.
The writing is just as corny as the other movies. I think a lot of people have fuzzy, nostalgic memories of the movies. My girlfriend made me watch the original three last month because she is that way. Parts of them were physically painful to watch.
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Old 05-22-2008, 04:22 PM   #18
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Parts of them were physically painful to watch.
The pain no doubt came from being pussywhipped, since the movies are epic.

@Anyone thinking of posting an "epic fail" image: I don't mean epic fail. Epic


"Our posturings, our imagined self-importance,
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are challenged by this point of pale light.
Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark.
In our obscurity – in all this vastness – there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.
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Old 05-22-2008, 07:40 PM   #19
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Well, Temple Of Doom is full of cringe-worthy moments as well, but Raiders and Last Crusade are still good. The last five seconds of Crystal Skull were brilliant though. xD




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Old 05-22-2008, 10:56 PM   #20
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Hmmm.... 79% on Rotten Tomatoes.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/indi...crystal_skull/

That's a pretty good score.... Much higher than I would have expected O_o



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Old 05-23-2008, 02:00 AM   #21
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That movie had George Lucas written all over it.......... I'm so mad I wish that movie was never made.


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Old 05-23-2008, 04:25 AM   #22
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If it's more like Temple of Doom, then I'll wait for the DVD. :/


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Old 05-23-2008, 08:15 AM   #23
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That movie had George Lucas written all over it.......... I'm so mad I wish that movie was never made.
Yeah, like the entire sequence with

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Shia Leboeuf and Cate Blanchett fencing on the cars, especially when he got all those sticks hitting his nads and when he started swinging through the trees with all the monkeys after him. I mean, what the hell? :/




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Old 05-23-2008, 11:17 AM   #24
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I hated this movie. I don't understand why
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they chose aliens as the plot device instead of something religious. I guess they were going for more of a "modern myth" with this one, but I really didn't like the aliens. The scene with the flying saucer felt like something I'd expect from Stargate. I thought the CG, especially the aforementioned sword fight, was at times jarring; the lighting and bloom kept changing between shots. I enjoyed the opening sequence until Harrison Ford got in the refrigerator. Parts of the film throughout were decent, like the fight with the greasers and the subsequent motorcycle chase. It probably doesn't help that I don't like Shia LeBouf or greasers in general. I honestly wish they had gone a completely different direction with this and have the Russians find the Ark of the Covenant (anyone else notice it made an appearance?).


I guess I would give it two stars out of five. I don't like the movie, but it had a few redeeming scenes.
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Old 05-25-2008, 01:25 PM   #25
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I wrote up a blog review about this movie, I shall post it here. It has spoilers in it, so be warned.

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Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of OMGWTF!?!?!?

So I'm sure many of you are aware of a new Indiana Jones movie that has recently been unleashed upon the unwitting masses. I myself have been anticipating this movie very much: I mean, it's not like George Lucas has ever taken a classic trilogy and very nearly ruined it by adding to it...

Despite my reservations, I figured we'd be ok here, I understood that the reason the Star Wars prequels had such horrendous dialog and included scenes that very much should have been cut was because George Lucas is George Lucas and nobody wanted to tell him no. But here, Steven Spielberg is involved, so I imagined he'd be able to keep things under control with a few well timed "NO! BAD GEORGE"'s. WARNING: There be spoilers ahead. Continue to read at your own risk.

Let me begin by saying that had this NOT been an Indiana Jones movie, I very possibly would not be writing a negative review of it. If you are able to distance yourself from the originals, you may not leave the theater feeling like somebody went back in time and punched childhood you right in the face.

Further, if you think Star Wars: Episode 1 is a good movie then you'll probably be happy, this movie had a VERY prequels feel to it. (Not a compliment)

Also, Harrison Ford is still Harrison Ford and he still kicks ass as Indiana Jones, even if he is almost a thousand years old. And I actually thought Shia Leboeuf's character was pretty good. The acting throughout was very acceptable, although the main antagonist was pretty (really) lame.

The most notable problems of this movie can be narrowed down to four specific parts. One involves an atomic bomb, one involves monkeys (and Tarzan style vine swinging), there is an issue with a car and a tree (which is the least offensive of the four) and the other is basically the ENTIRE ENDING.

If the three scenes were removed, and the ending rewritten, then I probably would have liked this movie. That's actually the most painful part, is that there were some parts of the movie that were very much Indiana Jones, and very much awesome, so it hurt even more when it was bad. (There are more rotten moments than the four I listed, they're just the ones that really stick out).

Overall I felt like I was on a roller coaster of agony. I was continually taunted with glimpses of joy and entertainment worthy of the name Dr. Jones, and as soon as I began to forget my earlier sorrows I was plummeted into greater depths of misery. George Lucas needs a new personal assistant to follow him at all times, and Falcon Punch him if he even MENTIONS Star Wars or Indiana Jones.

I am sure that some of you reading this disagree, and actually liked Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of Killing my Soul, so feel free to explain how that is possible. (Perhaps you were actually watching Iron Man, and just got confused?)



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I pretty much agree with your review, the mentioned tree-scene made me die a little on the inside (especially the self-satisfied grin on her face afterwards), and the awesome scenes were way too short and far between. After heavy discussion with the guys I saw it with, we pretty much concluded that the main flaw is
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Indy never being allowed to kick ass on his own after the 15 first minutes. He's being dragged down by Mutt (who isn't as annoying as we had predicted)and Mac and Marion, which we felt were both totally unnecessary to the plot. The part about Marion being kidnapped and showing up just felt incredibly forced and pointless, and it would have worked better without the subplot between her and Indy. John Hurt was great as Ox though, even though I don't understand why he had gone back the first time he reached El Dorado. Was it because he didn't realize he had to remove all the stone-faces from the pillar?




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Old 05-25-2008, 02:24 PM   #27
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I think that is why, because Indy says something like "you figured that out in your cell didn't you"


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I think that is why, because Indy says something like "you figured that out in your cell didn't you"
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Seems like he gave up a little too easily after that undoubtedly long and very dangerous journey then.




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Old 05-25-2008, 09:27 PM   #29
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This movie was ludicrous.

That being said, I enjoyed it for the ludicrous romp that it was. I haven't seen other Indy movies but I do hope they're a bit more tied down in realism than this.

I give it an 8/10 for being an absurd movie?

I thought Shia wasn't that bad. The acting between Harrison and the love interest were at times hammy. And some of the lines are just lines to be said.

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Case in point, when Indy speaks a line while sitting between two Russi guards who do nothing but stare, and then proceed to get beat up.


Other problems with the movie include:

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A nuke, a fridge. I thought the alien thing was silly but I was willing to forgive it. The ending was lame, especially with the "knowledge thing." The tree car scene and the vine swinging are absurd. It made me laugh, but for the wrong reasons.


Also, the CG is dumb in this movie. Some animals are clearly CG and not even there for any other reason other to be CG. [Timon]

That being said, other times the CG is great. Like one look at a waterfall scene, whereupon my friend asked "Where'd they find that?" to which I replied "It's CG. You think that's air you're breathing now?"




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Old 05-26-2008, 06:49 PM   #30
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Pa-sha. I just got back from the theaters and I must say I loved it. Save the vine swinging, I thought every moment was awesome. It's hilarious how protective so many people are getting here, I'd love to see what your movies would have been like instead. I'd suggest you'd better shut up and accept the new Indiana Jones movie, or just sit in silence, angry at life and it's inability to give you a "better" Indy movie.

Seriously, think about it. Without all the crazy sh*t that happened in this movie, it'd just be another Jason Borne-esqe movie with a fedora and whip. You have to appreciate the zany crap because that's what gives it flavor and makes it interesting. If it was realistic, fight scenes would only last a minute because someone would either get shot or the fighters would collapse from exhaustion.

If going by the community's definition of what's cool, you're really shooting yourselves in the foot here.
  • The giant rolling boulder? Totally unrealistic.
  • A laser beam shooting out a simple crystal to reveal the location of the Ark? That even possible?
  • A sealed room full of snakes? How do those things eat?
  • Dragged behind a truck at 40 mph? Dude, his skin would start coming off.
  • Melting faces? Does skin melt?
  • Using a giant metal disc as a shield? What are the freakin' chances?
  • Falling to safety through a few awnings? No way.
  • Ditching a plane just to kill three sleeping people? Dude, just ****in shoot them!
  • Using a river raft to sled down a mountain? Okay, that's ridiculous.
  • Just happening to stumble in on a problem in a village with missing children in the middle of ****ing no where, discovering a long death evil cult, and killing their leader, freeing the children, and saving the day? HOLY CRAP!
  • Monkey brains... Bull f*cking sh*t.
  • Pulling a heart from a guy and lowering him into some strange always hot lava that never cools down, perfect to deep fry victims in? Do you even know how volcanoes work?
  • A climatic fight on a rock crushing machine? Riiight.
  • A trick door in a fire place? A chair that shows a spiral stair case? Only in Goosebumps.
  • A motorcycle, fully fueled and ready to go in a large wooden box? What?
  • Somehow traveling through hundreds of miles of German country side on a motorcycle in a single scene cut? Dude, do you realize what Germany was like in war time, ever scene The Great Escape?
  • Walking into Hitler and getting a book signature? LOL!
  • Giant circular blades somehow embedded in the wall without any conceivable way to make them pop out, spin, and decapitate any one? That's just stupid.
  • A painted bridge? One inch of change and the illusion would be lost!
  • An earthquake that only affects a single room, busting open huge holes in the floor? How is that even possible?
  • Holy water? Wow, you should really think about removing the bullet first before healing that gunshot wound.
The list goes on and on.

Say that this movie was stupidly unrealistic? Shut the **** up you nit-picking hypocrite and enjoy it. This movie is going to make countless 10 and 12 year olds around America want to see the originals, bringing back that childhood wonder for a new generation.



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Old 05-26-2008, 07:17 PM   #31
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We've all said that the movie is decent. Except ET.

But nobody lives through

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a bloody nuke (lol IG)


And the "I'd love to see what your movies would have been like instead"

We're not film makers. They are. We as the audience decide if they blow at their jobs.




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Old 05-26-2008, 10:51 PM   #32
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Just saw it today, on the whole I liked it, and like most people here I did have some qualms, but honestly I agree with TiE, the series has never been the most realistic, so when it comes to that argument I'd have to disagree, however...

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I totally agree that throwing in Aliens instead of working with a religious symbol or concept kind of took away from the feel of the film. And as for the nuclear explosion scene, it wasn't so much the fridge that got me but the fact that he went flying in a fridge hundreds of feet in the air, landed, bounced back up, landed again, and rolled on the group only to simply walk out unharmed from the fall. I think they could have kept the concept of the lead-lined fridge, but have changed his escape from the town or at least lowered the severity of his fight through the air. And yes, the swinging through the jungle with the monkeys kind of made me lose it, I feel as if that could have been altered slightly as well, but on the whole I agree with TiE and thoroughly enjoyed the movie.


But yes, Harrison Ford totally sold Indiana Jones to me, there were scenes were it seemed as if he hadn't aged a day.



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Old 05-26-2008, 10:53 PM   #33
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Man, I've seen in twice. Personally, I thought it was fine. Albeit,
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the vine swinging and fire ants were a bit much
but I felt everything else belonged in an Indy movie. All the movies had some thing to do with supernatural phenomenons and what not. So, really the deal with the
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Old 05-27-2008, 12:20 AM   #34
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Wow I really need to see this movie so I can read these bloody spoiler tags.


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Old 05-27-2008, 01:46 AM   #35
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TiE, first off I respect your opinion, but you seem extremely angry that people don't like this movie as much as you do. As for your long list of "unrealistic" moments from the original trilogy, I'm just gonna spout off a few that really aren't all that unrealistic.

Big Boulder...........Ever been to the mountains?
Sealed room of snakes.......snakes can eat snakes.........
falling through awnings.......I've done it and lived to tell the tale
Monkey Brains......ever seen Bizarre Foods with Andrew Zimmern(he's the man by the way)
Climatic rock crushing scene.......I do that on the weekends when I'm not jumping out of a plane on a life-raft

Okay, so maybe some of them are not possible at all. But one thing that all of the things you listed off compared to the major complaints that ET gave(and I totally agree with) was that they are all FUN! They're exciting, cool, and are just really amazing things that can happen in movies. Indiana Jones and the kingdom of the crystal Skull's climatic parts weren't fun(at least to me). They lacked the Indiana Jones feel and at times felt like they were afterthoughts. Like

"hey, let's add groundhogs to this part, It'll be cute. We'll just put that in after the shot with our amazing CG along with the background and train and that truck."
"So, basically everything but Harrison?"
"Precisely."

Some people will really like this movie, some will hate it. I loved parts and hated parts. I have been an Indiana Jones fan my whole life and this movie absolutely broke my heart. It had amazing potential and really did have some of the greatest Indiana Jones moments but horrible story, dialog, and moments ruined the experience for me. Though the best thing about this movie was bringing back the signature punching sounds......classic.



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Old 05-27-2008, 01:54 AM   #36
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I'd love to see what your movies would have been like instead.
I wouldn't have made another Indiana Jones movie.

My primary complaint isn't a lack of realism, Indiana Jones is all about suspension of reality. My complaint is that this movie is not the same kind of unrealism as the originals. Where the originals were shrouded in mysticism and bad assery, this movie was shrouded in stupid and
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Almost every single scene of the movie fails utterly.



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Old 05-27-2008, 09:49 AM   #37
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How are aliens any different than religious mumbo-jumbo?

They're not, because they require the same lack of reality. If anything I find an alien-based mystery more believable than the a god box melting a nazi's face off or the holy grail healing Sean Connery.
I'd mention Temple of Doom, but you people set on being closed off to entertainment.


Perhaps you've outgrown Indy. I hear National Treasure's good.


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Perhaps you've outgrown Indy. I hear National Treasure's good.
Shut your filthy mouth!




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Old 05-27-2008, 12:12 PM   #39
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I LOL'd.




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Old 05-27-2008, 12:17 PM   #40
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I LOL'd.
I must admit, I did too.

Meh, so you didn't like the new Indy, more copies for me to buy.

I got exactly what I expected from an Indy film. Even if it was new, about Russians, Crystal Skulls, and Extra-dimensional beings.


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