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Old 02-22-2008, 05:06 PM   #1
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Thanks LA

Thanks for letting down the last hand full of old faithful supporters you have. It was bad enough that you people insist on leaving us pc users high and dry with releasing TFU on all consoles only. (although I have thoughts that one day you might wise up and be courageous like bioware did and later release it on pc but I doubt it)

You people have had your chance to bring us back your only great game you guys have had in years (aka kotor3 if you havent already forgot!) its sad really. Chances are you clowns will release swbf3 before that then continue to push it to the back till it is just a fading dream. Well congrats, you have failed miserabley with redeeming your name.

PS.As I finish this post I would like to say that Iam more than happy to let you fudgetards ban my account, Im done been another sucker and waiting around here for you guys to do something, bye bye failures!
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Old 02-22-2008, 05:53 PM   #2
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Were not actually Lucusfilm/art's.

Get a Blog.


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Old 02-22-2008, 06:15 PM   #3
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Old 02-22-2008, 07:13 PM   #4
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Uh, yea... this is LucasForums, not LucasArts.

Done "been" a sucker, huh?
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Old 02-22-2008, 07:17 PM   #5
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Were not actually Lucusfilm/art's.

Get a Blog.
@Techno: Exactly. We're not Lucas Arts. Just people who post in their forums. Hence the title "Lucas Forums." 99% of us here dont even work for them. And stop complaining about K3, yeah we all want it to be released but without LA you would not have even gotten the first two.

P.S. I doubt that LA cares that they lost your support.

@RQD: I could not have put it better myself.



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Old 02-22-2008, 07:50 PM   #6
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Don't feed the trolls.

Assuming it is a troll.


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Old 02-22-2008, 08:22 PM   #7
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He kind of has a point, though. It was LucasArts' fault, and not Obsidian's, that KOTOR 2 was released as incomplete because they insisted on rushing the release date. And now this.

LucasArts was in its prime, in my opinion, back when they made the games themselves rather than hiring other companies to do so. I'm talking about classics such as the X-Wing/TIE Fighter franchise, Dark Forces, Jedi Knight, and other titles, both Star Wars and non-Star Wars.

But I agree: the thread author has no business being pissed off at us for it. We had about as much to do with it as we did with the building of the Empire State Building.


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Old 02-22-2008, 08:43 PM   #8
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Preaching to the choir

Though Techno may have aimed his anger incorrectly at us, I think there are more than a couple people here who feel similar frustrations. Since it is an obvious case mistaken identity, there's no reason to be directly offended and no reason to close the thread.

Welcome to the forums Techno.


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Old 02-22-2008, 09:57 PM   #9
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Thanks for letting down the last hand full of old faithful supporters you have. It was bad enough that you people insist on leaving us pc users high and dry with releasing TFU on all consoles only. (although I have thoughts that one day you might wise up and be courageous like bioware did and later release it on pc but I doubt it)

You people have had your chance to bring us back your only great game you guys have had in years (aka kotor3 if you havent already forgot!) its sad really. Chances are you clowns will release swbf3 before that then continue to push it to the back till it is just a fading dream. Well congrats, you have failed miserabley with redeeming your name.

PS.As I finish this post I would like to say that Iam more than happy to let you fudgetards ban my account, Im done been another sucker and waiting around here for you guys to do something, bye bye failures!
I'll be sure to commit suicide as well for Lucasarts not making a game yet.


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Old 02-23-2008, 01:19 AM   #10
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Oh just accept it. KOTOR III will never be as good and well selling as some of these other new games. Its all about the money. Accept it. Lucasarts is obviously goign to go with whatever will sell best.


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Old 02-23-2008, 02:32 AM   #11
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Oh just accept it. KOTOR III will never be as good and well selling as some of these other new games. Its all about the money. Accept it. Lucasarts is obviously goign to go with whatever will sell best.
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Old 02-23-2008, 06:06 AM   #12
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Well its correct tho that LA seems to rather focus on Consoles than creating new PC Games, but i cant really blame them its what everyone does why shouldn┤t LA do it. I mean dont forget the whole StarWars universe is as nice as it is yet a very very big merchandise, i think George Lucas was the first guy to really understand how to do proper merchandising and how to make money out of StarWars, no one should be surprised if LA follows the trend.

I wont lose my hopes for KotOR3 i mean we are all waiting basically since TSL for a new KotOR and since K1 for a KotOR that has the quality of this very first part. (tbh TSL is sadly only 50% as good as K1 was thx to the rushed release which is indeed the fault of LA and not Obisidian the cut content proofs that imho)

But i guess the best we can hope for would be a new starwars mmo, maybe one in the KotOR timeline since after all MMO┤s are still made for PC and not console users and no MMO can reach the potential of a _well made_ SW mmo, SWG was nice and got screwed by SOE like they did with most of their other MMO┤s wasnt a real surprise for me when they screwed it.
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Old 02-23-2008, 10:47 AM   #13
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Yes, apparently LucasArts is the worst company ever because it did not release a sequel to two already spectacular games which it published. Such atrocities cannot be tolerated. I say we all make a petition to have LucasArts taken over by EA. Yes, that way we'll get a sequel to KotOR every year. Ah, blissful heaven.


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Old 02-23-2008, 11:06 AM   #14
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Eh, no. As much as I want a KotoR 3, trying to get eA or soem other company to take over or sue LA is just plain arrogant. It's just a game after all, and we have to thank Lucas himself in the first palce for actually inventing starwars. All we can really do is wait and see what happens.


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Old 02-23-2008, 12:37 PM   #15
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Well its correct tho that LA seems to rather focus on Consoles than creating new PC Games
Do you have an example of this other than TFU?


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Old 02-23-2008, 12:39 PM   #16
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Oh just accept it. KOTOR III will never be as good and well selling as some of these other new games.
I like how you can see into the future, Arcesious.




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Old 02-23-2008, 01:36 PM   #17
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Yes, apparently LucasArts is the worst company ever because it did not release a sequel to two already spectacular games which it published. Such atrocities cannot be tolerated. I say we all make a petition to have LucasArts taken over by EA. Yes, that way we'll get a sequel to KotOR every year. Ah, blissful heaven.
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Old 02-23-2008, 02:19 PM   #18
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Rogue Nine- As much as I want a KoTOR 3, when LA would compare how ell it would sell to other games, it probably wouldn't be in the top five. I mean come on... Halo 3, Crysis, Mass effect, Half Life, Bioshock, Call of Duty 4, etc, etc... If LA was to make a Kotor 3, it would make the most money as an MMO. (Monthly payments to play it online = $$$ And starwars galaxies already has that. )

Obviously they've calculated what type of game would sell best overall already, and apparently a game like TFU will be more popular to the majority.

Think of it this way:

"Which will sell better? A KOTOR 3 RPG or an action packed game like TFU?
Well as much as i'd like to have a KOTOR 3, we'll make more money on games like TFU and Battlefront 3, because most starwars fans out there are kids who only want action, action, and more action. Got to go with whatever will sell best to the majority." (the majority beign action and craziness loving people over people who love a good story and a good quality game)

Let's face it. We want koToR 3 really bad, but it's been years and years... If A KOTOR 3 was going to come out it would have already. After all how long could it possibly take to make Kotor 3? The majority likes stupid, pointless shooter and action games over RPGs, as lots of those starwars loving kids out there don't have any taste in good games liek KOTOR 3. (No offense to any kids on this forum.)

If we voted whether KOTOR 3 would sell better to the majority than a game like TFU or BF3, we'd probably get a little under a hundred votes saying it would, the majority on this forum site saying so. But what about all those millions of starwars fans who don't go to these forums?

If I could see into the future, I would. I'm just lookign at the sad evidence that we've asked and asked for a K3 and it's never come, and lucasarts is making other games instead. If kOTOR 3 is never made, I bet that in a couple of years, only a few KOTOR loving fans will still be on this part of the forum, and the idea of kOTOR 3 will slowly ease into being forgotten by the starwars fans.


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Old 02-23-2008, 02:25 PM   #19
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If A KOTOR 3 was going to come out it would have already. After all how long could it possibly take to make Kotor 3?
No no no no no.... no, no, no.

"Jedi Knight: Dark Forces 2" and "Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast".

Check their respective release dates... and they were "stupid, pointless shooter games"...
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Old 02-23-2008, 02:28 PM   #20
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That was quite a while ago that that occured with those two games.

It's 2008. We have the technology to create good, massive games in only a couple years now, so where's KOTOR 3 sience we've had ability to make it quickly without rushign for a long time?


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Old 02-24-2008, 12:36 AM   #21
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Yes, we may have the technology to create good, massive games in only a couple years. Creating two at the same time? Not gonna happen. LA is busy right now (with, as Techno mentioned, TFU). Which brings me back to my original point: just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't. The fact that LA has so far decided to let the rumors fly and not actually say anything about it either way is interesting, considering the sequel that TSL obviously set up for. Its not going to happen right now.... but that doesn't mean it won't.
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Old 02-24-2008, 12:48 AM   #22
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It's 2008. We have the technology to create good, massive games in only a couple years now, so where's KOTOR 3 sience we've had ability to make it quickly without rushign for a long time?
It actually takes longer to create a game now than it did years ago. The whole thing about KotOR being 10% more complex than Space Invaders, y'know?

@HIGH ON PIE: These forums aren't actually owned by LA.


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Old 02-24-2008, 01:19 AM   #23
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Try over there instead.

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Old 02-24-2008, 01:42 AM   #24
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No no no no no.... no, no, no.

"Jedi Knight: Dark Forces 2" and "Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast".

Check their respective release dates... and they were "stupid, pointless shooter games"...
BLASPHEMER

DF2 and JK2 were some of the best singleplayer games Lucas ever made. JK2 is still active multiplayer-wise.

Hallucination: The forums are run, domain funded and are on the Lucasarts site. Id think that they are owned by Lucasforums.

In relation to how long a game takes. I am going into game development and it is much harder to make a game then it is a mod. It takes several years to code the game engine and then create the game's maps and models. Would you rather have the next game company rush through it and create another Kotor 2 (no disrespect. But if Kotor 2 wasn't rushed at the end it would have been so much better)


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Old 02-24-2008, 12:48 PM   #25
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Hallucination: The forums are run, domain funded and are on the Lucasarts site. Id think that they are owned by Lucasforums.
Lucasforums =/= LucasArts. If you look at the copyright info on pretty much all pages you'll see it says nothing about LucasArts, but it mentions the LFNetwork. To quote the 'About LFNetwork' page from the main site
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Also, the official LucasArts forums are linked to in FiEND's post directly above yours.


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Old 02-24-2008, 01:03 PM   #26
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Thank you Hallucination.

Indeed, LucasForums is not owned by Lucasarts. Aristotle and his mates formed the LFNetwork of which LucasForums is a part. There is and has been a camaraderie between LucasForums and LucasArts over the years. We are a fairly cohesive fanbase and the owners of LFN have visited LA to discuss future projects. In the past LA has shared the occasional inside scoop or concept art with LFN. LA in return gets "buzz" for its new games. It's a win-win relationship. For more information, you might like to read this thread:

Interview with Aristotle and the other LFN owners.


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Old 02-25-2008, 11:40 AM   #27
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Do you have an example of this other than TFU?
Yes, TFU isnt the only game they are developing for the Consoles, Fracture and Indiana Jones are also next Gen Console Games.

And do you know of any promising LA game in developement for the PC? I at least dont, ofc we have our KotOR rumors and everyone hopes LA is doing an MMO

[But atm there is no proof that LA is doing an MMO esp not with Bioware if you check the Bioware page and look at the games it says "Lucasars/Bioware Interactive Product", "Bioware MMO", "Dragon Age", "next gen Game" but nowhere is mentioned that there is a Bioware/LA MMO, so no i dont really see where LA is doing much for the PC users atm.]

And if you check the releases of the past years the only Game i remember was Empire at War afaik which was just like TSL, it had a high potential but totally incomplete when released and still is.

My hope is that when LA is starting the broadcast of the new clonewars animated series and soon the live action series we will get a new flood of games and novels since as often mentioned the 30th Anniversary was like...well i have seen more releases of Star Wars products in years where there was no movie release or anniversary.
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Old 02-25-2008, 03:25 PM   #28
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I'm of the mind that the absence of KotOR development is a reflection of LA's current business priorities. People get paid lots of money to analyze sales and development costs. Don't mean they've really got their pulse on the "gaming community" so to speak, but they also have information that we don't have directly.

My guess is that, barring an MMO, we will see another KotOR rpg when LA wishes to expand some of its EU licenses covering the KotOR period. New EU literature, revisions to guidebooks, etc. resulting from establishing new canon with a KotOR game will likely be part of how LA views the "profits" of the next game IMO. When they see it's time to move in that direction, they will.
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Old 02-25-2008, 09:57 PM   #29
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Hmmm not sure if the game in development will be KotOR. Keep in mind there is a new Indy movie. It could be another IJ game(which you have to admit those fans have gone without a new game for far longer than KotOR fans).
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Fiend, personnally, I've been to the official lucasforums, and I prefer these. I wish these were the official LA forums, as the official ones they have right now suck.


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Old 02-26-2008, 12:18 AM   #31
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Yeah I agree. Though my post was more directed towards the OP's rant & where to go with it for any kind of "official" reading it (if the LA people even read their boards).

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Hmmm not sure if the game in development will be KotOR. Keep in mind there is a new Indy movie. It could be another IJ game(which you have to admit those fans have gone without a new game for far longer than KotOR fans).
If you check the LA page and look up on their games they have listed :

The Force Unleashed
Fracture
Indiana Jones

So i dont think the Bioware/LA project will be another Indiana Jones, the way they keep holding back any info about this project makes me think that it is prolly sth rather big which is more or less stated by the news release that announced this coop.

But well to few info about this, i hope its going to be an mmo but since Bioware is allready having an mmo on their page its not really realistic unless they are just giving us a little runaround for the fun of it.
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Old 03-28-2008, 10:14 PM   #33
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@Arcesious: Thank you for pointing out that many people, (the majority) extremley love crazed games with tons of action. I find it quite annoying that Kotor II was rushed and whenever you try to talk to Bao-Dur, usually the only response you can say is-Nothing, never mind.-

Kids also are crazed with those games. (I'm one, but I would love a KotOR III) When I beat Kotor II for the first time, which was dark sided, I was really angry. It leaves you there on Malachor V doing nothing, the Ebon Hawk gone, and the Remote destroyed but G0T0 not there to do anything. And the movie is called "Assuming the Dark Throne." What Dark Throne? For god's sake! If I was really the Exile, speaking to camera,"Wow. That was... easy. I use my Force Crush glitch and that's it? Cool. *Camera zooms away* Hey. Hey! HEY! Get back here! Don't leave me on this crappy planet! What the heck am I gonna do know, huh? Warp to the friggin' Unknown Regions on the 'Be with Revan on some planet' Mod? GET BACK HERE!!! ...Crap..."

As I said that, I am a child, not even in my teens yet. So, anyone else feel like me about this?
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Old 03-29-2008, 12:02 AM   #34
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This thread was a failure right from the start.
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Old 03-29-2008, 12:16 PM   #35
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Kids also are crazed with those games. (I'm one, but I would love a KotOR III) When I beat Kotor II for the first time, which was dark sided, I was really angry. It leaves you there on Malachor V doing nothing, the Ebon Hawk gone, and the Remote destroyed but G0T0 not there to do anything. And the movie is called "Assuming the Dark Throne." What Dark Throne?
Of the Sith Empire. Since you killed Kreia, and Goto was able to save the planet for your own personal use, you are now able to use Malachor V's academcy to construct a brand new Sith Order (or a Dark Jedi Order), which would dominate the galaxy and fill the void left by the destruction of the Jedi Order. Afterwards, you will head over to the Unknown Regions in K3.

Read between the lines.

As for Bao-Dur, you need to gain influence with him before you can learn more stuff about his life. It's a bit of work, but you'll need an Influence Guide in order to get the most you can from this game.

And, I actually like the ending. Not as epic as the DS ending of K1, but still fitting in the mood.


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Old 03-29-2008, 09:35 PM   #36
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I like how you can see into the future, Arcesious.
Funny how people get so pissed when someone says something along those lines. It's only frustration speaking, but 90% of the signs point in this direction. The only thing we have to cling on besides blind faith, is a lucas arts exec saying we haven't forgotten about the kotor series, which doesn't mean squat.
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Sigh... I'm a bit ticked off at LA right now... I have little doubt that a K3 will be made at some point in the future, and I suspect the comics may explain a few things that will stave off my frustration at a lack of new info until then but... c'mon! Don't be a Jedi/Kreia LA! No more cryptic hints!!
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I'm GLAD they haven't announced KotoR 3. There's about a 50/50 chance that they'd hand it over to Obsidian, and Obsidian would, once again, take another company's series and puke on it. (See also: KotoR II and NWN 2. Mask of the Betrayer does not absolve them of their failures.) The story rightfully should never have continued beyond KotoR, particularly since Avellone appears to have gotten beaten over the head with a stick of frozen stupid.
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I'm GLAD they haven't announced KotoR 3. There's about a 50/50 chance that they'd hand it over to Obsidian, and Obsidian would, once again, take another company's series and puke on it. (See also: KotoR II and NWN 2. Mask of the Betrayer does not absolve them of their failures.) The story rightfully should never have continued beyond KotoR, particularly since Avellone appears to have gotten beaten over the head with a stick of frozen stupid.
Meh, can't comment on NWN2 but IMO TSL is better than K1; story is better.



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Meh, can't comment on NWN2 but IMO TSL is better than K1; story is better.
I agree. In KOTOR I its fun to run around and beat the game a lot, but the story in KOTOR II I feel is way more in depth. It seems that each time I play it I find more dialogs that I had not read before that add even more to the story. I believe that I is no better than II. It irritates me that people diss KOTOR II so much when the story line is so much better. Yes, KOTOR II is not complete but I feel that the story more than makes up for it.

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