Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (use spoiler tags!)

[El Sitherino]

Originally Posted by han sala

I just saw it. I generally enjoyed it.

Lucas did however go overboard on the CGI like I predicted.

I like how it's Lucas' fault. Because it's no Spielberg that directed, therefore makes the decisions on approach with special effects.

Face it, it's as Indy as the others, you just can't stand a new addition.

[Nedak]

Originally Posted by General LiWar

I'm pretty sure Lucas wasn't in charge of CGI, and for the most part there wasn't much CGI, Speilberg stuck with old techniques to look/feel like the others

Either way, there was quite a bit CGI used....

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The bomb test, the end, and all the stupid goffers and monkeys they used, etc. It just seemed kind of cheesy. The fact he survived a nuclear blast, the whole three water fall thing, and when "Mud" swings from the branches with the CGI monkeys. All were kind of unnecessary.

[The Seeker]

Yes, too much CGI...absolutely right.

Oh wait, that's right. I just remembered: YOU FAIL AT MOVIES!

This was just as indy as any of the others. The indy movies have always been CGI platforms. Look at raiders with the evil spirit laden climax, Doom with the hearts and mine car chase, Crusade with the entire end inside the temple with the CGI saw blades and dropoffs and all that.

They've all been full of death defying/impossible stunts. Remember the rubber raft scenario in temple of doom?

I've always been in awe at the lack of imagination in movie's audiences, especially on a board full of fanboys, but this tops it. Sure Raiders and Crusade are better indy movies, but Temple of Doom is literally painful to watch. The kid (shortcake?) who makes Jake Lloyd look like Deniro, and that woman who is just horrendous?

Criticize this one all you want, but take away the "OMG I'm 13 Temple of Doom is Awesome" nostalgia and you'll see that Crystal Skull won't take first by any means, but it does take a strong third.

[Q]

Originally Posted by The Seeker

and that woman who is just horrendous?

Heh. You mean Mrs. Steven Spielberg?

Yeah, she was pretty ****ing terrible. I remember back in the day when some feminazi stated that her character was an affront to womanhood. Hell, she was an affront to humanity, IMO. The role ruined Kate Capshaw's career, if that's any consolation.

Meh.
Guess I'll be waiting until it comes out on DVD. I just have very low expectations of movies these days, so I'm rarely disappointed. Raiders just rocked. They'll never be able to top it.

[Prime]

Originally Posted by Astrotoy7

why would they want to be....its pretty cornball stuff for contemporary standards.

Dude, sorry I dissed your boy, Vin Diesel XXX.

Originally Posted by Astrotoy7

why would they want to be....its pretty cornball stuff for contemporary standards. Nowdays, its mofos and machine guns, not nazis and snakes....and enough with the Nazis already Spielberg....ugh

There are no nazis in Indy 4.

Originally Posted by Aash Li

How can you guys be so down on the movie?

I think just about everyone here who is saying it is a terrible movie are the ones who haven't seen it.

[Nedak]

Originally Posted by The Seeker

Oh wait, that's right. I just remembered: YOU FAIL AT MOVIES!

Alright Mr.MovieBuff,

I loved the movie, I'm going to see it again, and not to mention I'm going to buy it when it comes out. BUT, there were a few things that bothered me.

Not the CGI in general is what bothered me, but at times how they used it.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I only recall there being major stunts (like the Waterfall) in The Temple of Doom, which was my least favorite of the three.

I didn't really mind the waterfall scene that much, but things like, him surviving the nuclear explosion, and "Mud" swinging across the vines in the jungle kind of bothered me.

[*Don*]

Originally Posted by han sala

...The Temple of Doom, which was my least favorite of the three...

Agreed.
I never really understood how Lucas and Spielberg could have let so many inaccurate facts creep into one movie. I mean, when was the last time that you saw Indians eating bugs and beatles? Most of them are strict vegetarians.

Regardless, Indy 4 was definitely good, but definitely not the best either.

[HerbieZ]

The fact that it's a fictional film probably had something to do with it

[El Sitherino]

Originally Posted by *Don*

Agreed.
I never really understood how Lucas and Spielberg could have let so many inaccurate facts creep into one movie. I mean, when was the last time that you saw Indians eating bugs and beatles? Most of them are strict vegetarians.

Maybe because the movies aren't about facts. As well they're based on the adventure serials from the 40's and 50's. Any "racial" content comes from this, if you have an issue with that then Indy is not the action-adventure series you're looking for. Perhaps Evil Dead or National Treasure(ugh).

For those that misunderstand the purpose of particular styles of movies. Indiana Jones is a sit back, eat your popcorn, and take it with as much grain of salt as is in that popcorn.

[Boba Rhett]

There's some things I don't remember. Could someone explain the following?

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Who removed the skull in the first place? The conquistador? And why did they do it?

The alien was talking about giving Ox a gift for what he had done. Was the gift supposed to be the killing of the Russians holding them captive?

How did the natives seemingly crawl out of the stone walls? Were the walls actually some sort of crumbly facade they could cover themselves in?

Indy's double crossing friend at the end when he winked and said he'd be alright. What was that all about? It seemed out of place. Was he seriously fine with just giving up and being sucked to his death or was there something else behind it?

[JCarter426]

Originally Posted by Boba Rhett

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Who removed the skull in the first place? The conquistador? And why did they do it?

Yeah, I think so. Why? No idea.

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The alien was talking about giving Ox a gift for what he had done. Was the gift supposed to be the killing of the Russians holding them captive?

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I thought it was supposed to be Indy's hat at the end.

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How did the natives seemingly crawl out of the stone walls? Were the walls actually some sort of crumbly facade they could cover themselves in?
Indy's double crossing friend at the end when he winked and said he'd be alright. What was that all about? It seemed out of place. Was he seriously fine with just giving up and being sucked to his death or was there something else behind it?

No clue on these two.

[Diego Varen]

I've finally seen it and I think it is a good film and my favourite Indiana Jones film, with The Last Crusade. There was only one mistake with the film:

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That damn spaceship near the end.

[Samuel Dravis]

I saw it Sunday night. I don't care what anyone says, it was a great show! Man, I love Indiana Jones. <3

[True_Avery]

That movie was Indy 100% Saw it on Saturday and loved every minute of it.

Shia did a great job as usual, and Harrison was just movie magic.

The plot may have been a little out there, but was, in my opinion, about as out there as the other 3 movie plots.

[*Don*]

I found an article on CNN discussing why they used so many special effects:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/Movi....ap/index.html

[Commander Obi-Wan]

Originally Posted by Samuel Dravis

I saw it Sunday night. I don't care what anyone says, it was a great show! Man, I love Indiana Jones. <3

No doubt. I thought the movie was great.

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The scene where Indy and Marion were stuck in the "dry" sand pit definitely has to be one of my favourite scenes in the movie.

[Nedak]

Originally Posted by Boba Rhett

There's some things I don't remember. Could someone explain the following?

There were quite a few mistakes.

Hopefully they weren't mistakes and something that is just foreshadowing a possibly new Indiana Jones

[Prime]

Originally Posted by han sala

Hopefully they weren't mistakes and something that is just foreshadowing a possibly new Indiana Jones

IMO that is unlikely. I thought the ending seemed like a wrap up to the saga, unless they have a spin off with Mutt, which I find even more unlikely.

[Boba Rhett]

George already stated something to that effect already saying that he'd like to see Mutt in the drivers seat for the another one.

[Diego Varen]

Originally Posted by Boba Rhett

George already stated something to that effect already saying that he'd like to see Mutt in the drivers seat for the another one.

I read this on Wikipedia too, but could a spinoff with Mutt work?

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Granted, I like the character, but I wouldn't want Indiana Jones to pass on the baton to his son.

[JCarter426]

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If that happened, it would go against that final scene; Indy takes his hat back because he isn't done yet.

[Marius Fett]

Originally Posted by JCarter426

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If that happened, it would go against that final scene; Indy takes his hat back because he isn't done yet.

That was one of the funniest parts of the film I thought.

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A spinoff wouldn't work. It was nice to have Indy back for another one, but taking it any further would be going too far IMO.

[Nedak]

Originally Posted by Prime

IMO that is unlikely. I thought the ending seemed like a wrap up to the saga, unless they have a spin off with Mutt, which I find even more unlikely.

Harrison Ford already stated in an interview that he would like to do another.

If Mutt got his own spin-off I'd most likely kill somebody.

[JCarter426]

Originally Posted by han sala

If Mutt got his own spin-off I'd most likely kill somebody.

Most likely Shia LaBeouf.

[Prime]

Originally Posted by han sala

Harrison Ford already stated in an interview that he would like to do another.

Well then I would be wrong, wouldn't I.

[Jae Onasi]

We took the whole family to the movie on Monday and loved it.

Only Indy could survive by hiding in a lead-lined refrigerator MacGyver-style. I wish they'd picked a more earth-bound reason for the artifact, but it worked for me, and I had a great time watching the entire show.

[Taak Farst]

There has been up and down reviews on the new Indy film over the internet. I myself say it was brilliant. Just as good as the 1st 3.

It has a good amount of humour, some gruesome parts and some good CGI effects.

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It was weird when the woman (forgot name) cut open the mummified remains in the beginning. Cool with the glimpse of the ark of convenant and gruesome with the man get killed by the ants.

[The Source]

Originally Posted by Jae Onasi

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I wish they'd picked a more earth-bound reason for the artifact, but it worked for me, and I had a great time watching the entire show.

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I thought about that as well, and then you have to think about the other movies. Did "Raiders of the Lost Ark" or "The Last Crusade" have an Earth based explination?

Personally, I completely loved the story. I think it is a coming of age Indy, and anyone who is a die hard fan will apprechiate what they accomplished. According to someone on the radio, Harison Ford has signed up for a fifth.

[Taak Farst]

Originally Posted by The Source

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I thought about that as well, and then you have to think about the other movies. Did "Raiders of the Lost Ark" or "The Last Crusade" have an Earth based explination?

Personally, I completely loved the story. I think it is a coming of age Indy, and anyone who is a die hard fan will apprechiate what they accomplished. According to someone on the radio, Harison Ford has signed up for a fifth.

Yes, I heard he signed up for a fifth 2. I could be wrong but with Star Wars they did 3 in the 80s then came bak in, i think, 2001. I think maybe they are coming bak to indy to make a complete saga.

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That might make sense to some people when they watch the last scene (in case u forgot, i mean the scene where he takes his hat from Mutt.

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Technically, the ark and grail DID have a perfect explanation since its a real earthbased religion, but i cud be talking crap.

[Pavlos]

I went to see it again and I pinpointed one of the things that annoyed me. It's that Indy comments on what he's just done.

In the originals, when he made a mistake or saw something odd he wouldn't say anything, it was all carried by Harrison Ford's facial expression. When Indy misjudges the position of the car in the first scene (you know, the thing in the trailer) the comic effect is ruined by him saying, "I thought that was closer." I understand why they did it; they were trying to show that he's getting older but I think it would have been better if Ford just looked a little shocked that he'd ended up in the wrong car.

Compare it with the opening scenes of Raiders. Indy's just been screwed over by his companion and has to leap over the hole in the floor to escape. He misses the edge and is left dangling. Clutching, literally, at straws, he smiles at his momentary success in grabbing hold of some firm-rooted grass. When the thing comes loose and he begins to slip again, he doesn't make a comment about it. It's all done in silence on Ford's part and I think that's one of the small but crucial differences in writing style that perhaps accounts for me not liking this film as much as the others.

[Boba Rhett]

Hmmm, you're right. Dammit.

[JCarter426]

Originally Posted by Taak Farst

...but with Star Wars they did 3 in the 80s then came bak in, i think, 2001.

1999. And the first came out in '77.

Originally Posted by Pavlos

I went to see it again and I pinpointed one of the things that annoyed me. It's that Indy comments on what he's just done.

Hmm...interesting.

[The Source]

Originally Posted by Pavlos

I went to see it again and I pinpointed one of the things that annoyed me. It's that Indy comments on what he's just done.

In the originals, when he made a mistake or saw something odd he wouldn't say anything, it was all carried by Harrison Ford's facial expression. When Indy misjudges the position of the car in the first scene (you know, the thing in the trailer) the comic effect is ruined by him saying, "I thought that was closer." I understand why they did it; they were trying to show that he's getting older but I think it would have been better if Ford just looked a little shocked that he'd ended up in the wrong car.

Compare it with the opening scenes of Raiders. Indy's just been screwed over by his companion and has to leap over the hole in the floor to escape. He misses the edge and is left dangling. Clutching, literally, at straws, he smiles at his momentary success in grabbing hold of some firm-rooted grass. When the thing comes loose and he begins to slip again, he doesn't make a comment about it. It's all done in silence on Ford's part and I think that's one of the small but crucial differences in writing style that perhaps accounts for me not liking this film as much as the others.

You are right man.

As for some of the changes, I think they wanted to make Indy competitive. Since "The Mummy III" is due out soon, I think Steven, George, and Harrison wanted to seperate themselves from being called "Just another unintellegant archeology movie.". I think they did a great job with this one, for it showed that things don't have to be the same. When the first "Mummy" movie arrived in theaters, Indy wasn't on the radar. This is the first time that both franchises go head to head.

Indy is a professor in archeology.
Rick is not anything close to being educated in archeology.

When Indy starts to run off at times, I think they wanted to show his intellegance.

[Boba Rhett]

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Has there been a writeup to explain exactly who, how, why and where the skull was removed and stolen from the rest of the skeleton in the first place? Was it even stolen from the rest of the skeleton or had it already been removed so that the natives had a connection to the alien even though it had "left". It almost would of had to have been taken off by the natives by direct order of the alien(s) who then would have sealed up the inner chamber and shut himself and returned to his dimension. I really need this all explained to me. There just seems to be huge gaps in the plot and it really is bugging me.

[The Source]

Originally Posted by Boba Rhett

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Has there been a writeup to explain exactly who, how and why and where the skull was removed and stolen from the rest of the skeleton in the first place? It almost would of had to have been taken off by the natives by direct order of the alien(s) who then would have sealed up the inner chamber and shut himself down inside of it. I really need this all explained to me. There just seems to be huge gaps and it really is bugging me.

I don't recall. This is one of those, "I have to see it again" movies.

[Nedak]

Originally Posted by The Source

As for some of the changes, I think they wanted to make Indy competitive.

Competitive? To gain more money?


Do you have any idea how much money those two people have made?!

[JCarter426]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's not that. The Indy series is basically 'stuff that George and Steve do and to hell with what everyone else thinks'. That's what makes it good.

[Rachel_Ewok]

Originally Posted by Commander Obi-Wan

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The scene where Indy and Marion were stuck in the "dry" sand pit definitely has to be one of my favourite scenes in the movie.

XD yeah.

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Why the hell didn't you make him finish school???

You know something *I* don't understand?

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I thought Indy and Henry Jones Sr. BOTH drank from the Holy Grail... Hmmm? Then, how is Indy old, and how is Henry dead? @_@

[Boba Rhett]

You cannot cross the seal. Stopped working after they left.

[EnderWiggin]

Originally Posted by JCarter426

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's not that. The Indy series is basically 'stuff that George and Steve do and to hell with what everyone else thinks'. That's what makes it good.

That's what makes anything good.

_EW_