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Old 07-25-2008, 06:16 PM   #1
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what are your least favorite games?

i disrespect many games because of their utter stupidity, such as kotor (just kidding, kotor is epic, favorite game ever)
but on to actual games i despise.
Call of Duty 4
Medal of Honor Airborne
World of Warcraft
Haze
Oblivion
Metal Gear Solid 4
Turok
Alone in the Dark
(this next one is gonna make some of you angry)
Super Smash Bro's Brawl
Resident Evil

but despite that i do love games such as:
Kotor 1
Kotor 2
Silent Hill
Rainbow Six Vegas 2
Any game ever made by Valve EVER like
counter strike
Half life
Team fortess
Portal
Psychonauts
Peggle Extreme



so what games do you hate/Love


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Old 07-25-2008, 07:21 PM   #2
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Games I dislike:
Deus Ex: IW
Call of Duty 2
Medal of Honor: Spearhead
Simpsons hit and run
Counter Strike
Every rainbow six made after they ruined the original gameplay
SWBF 2
WoW
The hype behind the halo series

Games I like
Deus Ex
all C&C up to yuris revenge
the half life series
warcraft 3
Call of Duty and UO
Swat 3
Red Faction
Diablo 2
Age of Empires 1 & 2
Peggle
Jagged Alliance
KotOR 1 & 2
SWBF 2
WoW



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Old 07-25-2008, 09:54 PM   #3
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Games I hate:
Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow (Linear levels, stupid plot. First one was a masterpeice.)
HMS Defiance (HL2 mod, stupid plot.)
Tekken

Games I Love:
Super Smash Bros Brawl
Splinter Cell

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Old 07-25-2008, 10:09 PM   #4
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Old 07-25-2008, 11:06 PM   #5
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So that this thread doesn't turn into a simple list-fest, can you please give a few short sentences on why you like and dislike these games? Hopefully it'll stimulate discussion. Here, I'll even go first:

Games I Dislike

The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker - I absolutely love The Ocarina of Time, so I wasn't really happy with the artistic direction that Nintendo went with in this game. I admit I'm shallow enough to let the visuals bother me enough that I stopped playing it. The gameplay wasn't anything revolutionary anyway.

Final Fantasy XI - I'm a Final Fantasy aficionado, so when I heard they'd be making the 11th installment an online game, I wasn't too happy. Final Fantasy has always been about epic storytelling, great music, innovative gameplay and lovable characters. I didn't get any of that from FFXI. It was just another MMO, and not even a decent one at that. The story was weak, the music forgettable, the gameplay clunky, the characters stale and unoriginal. Blah.




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Old 07-26-2008, 12:10 AM   #6
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Oblivion
Why do you hate Oblivion? True it wasn't as much of a masterpiece as Morrowind was but it was still a pretty decent and fun way to waste 100 hours.

Anyway here is my list. In no particular order

Hate:

Spyro games after the third one: It was a very bad idea that Insomniac sold Spyro. While they made Rachet and Clank which was decent enough the companies that took Spyro completely destroyed it's image and legacy.
Digimon world 2: While I was a child I hated this game. It was nothing compared to the first one
Grand Theft Auto Liberty City stories: Worst storyline of the entire series. Had no antagonist.
Turok Dinosaur Hunter: Far to cartoony for an FPS
Jedi Academy: Was nothing like Outcast. Only good for it's multiplayer
Simpson's Road Rage: Almost obsolete compared to Hit and Run. Hit and Run wasn't that good either.
Legacy of Kain Defiance: Seems like a really bad way for Eidios to try and milk the series for the rest of the cash it had. It had a very bad ending and extremely bad gameplay and camera angles. It also had LEVELS. Unlike the sprawling worlds that you could go through in the previous games.
Deus Ex: Invisible War: The only thing I liked about this game was the Omar and their ending. The only actual original thing in that game that I enjoyed. I hated how they completley changed JC Denton and removed his sunglasses.
Halo 2: Play the original
Syphon Filter the Omega Strain: Just hate how it ruined the series after that.

Love:

Half Life: very good FPS
Grim Fandango
Guitar Hero
Final Fantasy VI to IX: The best of the series
Jedi Outcast: Self explanitory. Good SP and MP
Turok 2 Seeds of Evil: This is how the first game was supposed to be made. Good balance of gore and gameplay. Not to mention the addictive multiplayer.
Red Faction: Very original gameplay that you are never going to see ever again. The sequel didn't really do it justice.
Grand Theft Auto 3: Very classic game. A good member of my video game collection
Oblivion: While not as good as Morrowind still has time well wasted
Kotor 1 and 2: Self Explanitory
Deus Ex: I have never, ever seen a game mix plot, gameplay, characters and atmosphere so well before.
Morrowind: Very good game. So addictive and almost impossible to completely beat
Wolfenstein 3d: The cornerstone of classic video games
Duke Nukem 3d: Helarious game and quite challenging to boot.


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Old 07-26-2008, 12:11 AM   #7
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What? What? WHAT?!
Are you feeling okay?

Anywho, this is pretty similiar to this thread, I'll just post the same game.
Warlords IV: Why? It took forever when it was the comps turn, I once counted almost 20 MINS!! on the fastest speed too. It was a failure to the Warlords and Warlords Battlecry series', and should be buried alongside ET in New Mexico.


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Old 07-26-2008, 12:19 AM   #8
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Come to think of it, I didn't really like Guitar Hero 3. I had the PS2 version, and it had the worst graphics I have seen since Jak and Daxter. It had so many graphical flaws. I had played the PS3 version, and I was so much more amazed at the Graphical depth of it. I've also played Rock Band for the PS2 and 360, and there is almost no difference between graphics, besides no HDR lighting in the PS2 version. It's small stuff like "Why does Slash Starch his hair and the Rag he keeps in his back pocket?"

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Old 07-26-2008, 12:27 AM   #9
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^^But it had "One" and "The Metal", making it an instant classic.
Oh, and it's much better on Next-Gen, which I believe is what it was made for. Hopefully Guitar Hero: Metallica rocks though. (That's right, I said Guitar Hero: Metallica)


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Old 07-26-2008, 12:34 AM   #10
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^^But it had "One" and "The Metal", making it an instant classic.
Oh, and it's much better on Next-Gen, which I believe is what it was made for. Hopefully Guitar Hero: Metallica rocks though. (That's right, I said Guitar Hero: Metallica)
Just wait for the next offical guitar hero game (Not the band stuff. Aerosmith wasn't that great. The only song I liked was Dream on.) The next game is going to have full player customisation, the ability to create and edit your own songs, and more instruments. The Marketplace is apparently going to download and upload custom songs you are able to create. Along with the PS3's online. PS2 isn't however, so thats a good reason to get it on the next gen


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Old 07-26-2008, 12:36 AM   #11
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It didn't have Clive Winston.
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Old 07-26-2008, 12:46 AM   #12
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Just wait for the next offical guitar hero game (Not the band stuff. Aerosmith wasn't that great. The only song I liked was Dream on.) The next game is going to have full player customisation, the ability to create and edit your own songs, and more instruments. The Marketplace is apparently going to download and upload custom songs you are able to create. Along with the PS3's online. PS2 isn't however, so thats a good reason to get it on the next gen
You mean Guitar Hero: On Tour? (or whatever it's called)


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Old 07-26-2008, 12:53 AM   #13
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You mean Guitar Hero: On Tour? (or whatever it's called)
Yes I believe so.

Anyway Guitar Hero is pretty iffy for my tastes. While it is challenging and is a pretty good way to waste half an hour. It isn't that great for long term as you may get bored quite easily if you wish to play it for say... an entire day


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Old 07-26-2008, 12:58 AM   #14
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^^Playing video games for an entire day is not a very smart idea.

Wow, it looks pretty good, and it's World Tour. I'm probably gonna get it.


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Old 07-26-2008, 01:00 AM   #15
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Anyway Guitar Hero is pretty iffy for my tastes. While it is challenging and is a pretty good way to waste half an hour. It isn't that great for long term as you may get bored quite easily if you wish to play it for say... an entire day
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Old 07-26-2008, 03:33 AM   #16
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Old 07-26-2008, 09:30 AM   #17
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What? What? WHAT?!
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The gameplay is great, but from a storytelling perspective there's plenty of things wrong with MGS4. And unfortunately for me at least, the negative's outweighed the positives.

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The gameplay is great, but from a storytelling perspective there's plenty of things wrong with MGS4. And unfortunately for me at least, the negative's outweighed the positives.
Storytelling? It was supposed to be Kojima's masterpiece: the reunion of characters from the entire saga. Not only the critics, that I personally hate, are loving the game, but the players too. And it's funny that you say the gameplay is smooth, because that we're one of the few things that used to upset me on the previous installments, if they have fixed it, great.

I haven't played it thus far, but I certainly plan on doing so.


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Old 07-26-2008, 02:36 PM   #19
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MGS4 is a movie with interactive interludes. It's common to just sit around and watch cutscenes for a good part of an hour before actually getting to do something. Hell, the opening sequences went on for half an hour (!) before I even got to start doing stuff. And even then, the interactivity lasts for only so long before another cutscene pops up.

Now, if you're an MGS fan, you'll eat it up. But it just lost me with the ridiculous amount of time I just spent with the controller on the table, doing absolutely nothing. Chances are, this is why most people who dislike it say they do, and it's a legitimate complaint. I don't want to shell out $60 for a movie with sections of interactivity, I shell out money for a game I can actually play and have fun with. And I think most gamers want to do the same, so don't fault them for that.




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I certainly wouldn't. But S9 haven't specified that cutscene "problem", so I'll still ask what went wrong according to him.

And as you said, I probably will just eat it up anyway. The cutscenes on the MG franchise are just something I'm just too fond of. The more longer the merrier.


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Old 07-26-2008, 04:59 PM   #21
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Storytelling? It was supposed to be Kojima's masterpiece: the reunion of characters from the entire saga. Not only the critics, that I personally hate, are loving the game, but the players too. And it's funny that you say the gameplay is smooth, because that we're one of the few things that used to upset me on the previous installments, if they have fixed it, great.

I haven't played it thus far, but I certainly plan on doing so.
Story wise, the majority of the game is great. But it's the last half hour or so that's a mess, and that mess unfortunately for me at least - spoils what came before it. It's what happens when a game is over hyped - You spend years eagerly waiting for a video game, you expect it to be perfect, and when it isn't it breaks your heart. :P

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Now, if you're an MGS fan, you'll eat it up. But it just lost me with the ridiculous amount of time I just spent with the controller on the table, doing absolutely nothing. Chances are, this is why most people who dislike it say they do, and it's a legitimate complaint. I don't want to shell out $60 for a movie with sections of interactivity, I shell out money for a game I can actually play and have fun with. And I think most gamers want to do the same, so don't fault them for that.
It is a legitimate complaint, but it's one of the reasons I like the MGS series. In fact, one of the things which worried me prior to the games release was that Kojima would have reduced the amount of cutscenes because some gamers complained.

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This is coming from an IMMENSE MGS fan.

It is a masterpiece, one which is only outshadowed by the first 2 Metal Gear Solids, yes, the cutscenes are a little length, and I admit that, but it more than makes up for it with it's great story, (again only behind the first 2) and should be viewed as a work of art better than anything Van Gogh, Picasso, Da Vinci and Michelangelo could've painted if they collaborated on a single painting.

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Hmmm...

Hate

The Half Life Series: - I've found them to be overrated, and pretty boring. Nothing special, in my opinion.

Portal - I haven't actually played this, but I still hate it. If I have to hear one more person shout at me 'The Cake is a lie' I'll kick them out of the nearest portal.

Halo Series - See half-life's description, whoop-de-doo, it's identical to pretty much any other shooter i've seen.






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Hmmm...

Hate

The Half Life Series: - I've found them to be overrated, and pretty boring. Nothing special, in my opinion.

Portal - I haven't actually played this, but I still hate it. If I have to hear one more person shout at me 'The Cake is a lie' I'll kick them out of the nearest portal.

Halo Series - See half-life's description, whoop-de-doo, it's identical to pretty much any other shooter i've seen.
Could you compare Half-Life and Halo to a good shooter? Since I though Half-Life was pretty innovative with having an actual storyline but with no protagonist. Halo is just a generic sci-fi shooter.

But your rating a game you havent played? Portal does have actual original gameplay that you don't see in every game you play.


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Wow, Astor. You hate Portal despite never playing it? That's, uh, that's pathetic.
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Wow I agree that the whole cakes a lie thing is getting kinda old, but based on your logic, I should hate cats because lolcats have gotten old.



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I know it's a bit shallow, but I don't see the whole interest in it, to be honest.






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Well give it a shot and find out why, exactly, the cake is a lie. Portal is amazing.

Also, even if you the Half Life story isn't your cup of tea, the gameplay is superior to almost all other shooters.
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The Half Life Series: - I've found them to be overrated, and pretty boring. Nothing special, in my opinion.

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Halo Series - See half-life's description, whoop-de-doo, it's identical to pretty much any other shooter i've seen.
Half-Life's comment I can even understand. Counter Strike was the reason it got famous for. That and Day of Defeat, Team-Fortress and every other mod made from it.

Halo's, however, I can't. I don't know if you played it when the first was released, but if you didn't that may be why you find it just another shooter, since pretty much everything on it defined the path modern shooters take this day and age. Swap two weapons, vehicles, AI, etc.


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There are a variety of games that had those types of innovations before Halo was released. For instance Red Faction had vehicles and dual weapons (and any shooter has AI) and was released several months before Halo (not to mention it had a lot of features Halo lacks). GoldenEye for N64 played very similarly to Halo, but came out 4 years before it. I'm sure you could come up with a dozen more games that had all the features you claim were innovated by Halo.

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Halo's, however, I can't. I don't know if you played it when the first was released, but if you didn't that may be why you find it just another shooter, since pretty much everything on it defined the path modern shooters take this day and age. Swap two weapons, vehicles, AI, etc.
I did play it a few weeks after it's release, and I didn't like it. I don't often play shooters, so that may be part of it, but I disliked it mostly. I gave the sequels a chance, and disliked them more.

Especially seeing as 3 seemed to be an online game with a single player add-on, and I don't play online.






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There are a variety of games that had those types of innovations before Halo was released. For instance Red Faction had vehicles and dual weapons (and any shooter has AI) and was released several months before Halo (not to mention it had a lot of features Halo lacks). GoldenEye for N64 played very similarly to Halo, but came out 4 years before it. I'm sure you could come up with a dozen more games that had all the features you claim were innovated by Halo.
I'd partly agree, Inyri. The vehicles, for example, had their importance so uplifted that some stages were basically all about controlling and fighting them. And they're varied. Dual wield isn't really an innovation - and it was just introduced on the franchise at the second installment anyway - but the restriction of carrying just two weapons at a time is.

I find Halo's AI to be one of the finest around until today. It didn't only consist on the enemies shooting you and avoid getting shot at all costs. They'd actually cover each other and fall back/press forward whenever they see fit. The distinct alien races also required different behaviors. The Grunts for example would retreat disorderly when their commander was killed. While the Elites would most likely go rogue and try to knok you out using whatever means necessary.

Quite frankly, Red Faction did seem more worried on showing it's destructible scenarios rather than on the game itself. And while Goldeneye was obviously a fantastic shooter, I don't see the relation.


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I'd partly agree, Inyri. The vehicles, for example, had their importance so uplifted that some stages were basically all about controlling and fighting them. And they're varied. Dual wield isn't really an innovation - and it was just introduced on the franchise at the second installment anyway - but the restriction of carrying just two weapons at a time is.

I find Halo's AI to be one of the finest around until today. It didn't only consist on the enemies shooting you and avoid getting shot at all costs. They'd actually cover each other and fall back/press forward whenever they see fit.
Ghost recon's ai demolished halo's ai



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Ghost recon's ai demolished halo's ai
A tactical shooter is a different genre altogether, the "shooter" part notwithstanding.


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Old 07-27-2008, 04:12 PM   #35
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Half-Life's comment I can even understand. Counter Strike was the reason it got famous for. That and Day of Defeat, Team-Fortress and every other mod made from it.
Uh, the original Half Life was a pretty damn good game in and of itself. The number of accolades it garnerned far outstrip that of its sequel and CS. So to say it got famous on account of the third party mods for it is erroneous and unfair.

And Astor, it's like every other shooter you've seen because almost every other shooter out there emulates Half-Life's gameplay. That's how good it was.

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Halo's, however, I can't. I don't know if you played it when the first was released, but if you didn't that may be why you find it just another shooter, since pretty much everything on it defined the path modern shooters take this day and age. Swap two weapons, vehicles, AI, etc.
As Inyri mentioned, GoldenEye 64 is the grandpappy of all console-based FPSes. Dual wielding? Yup. Vehicles? Yup. Smart AI? Yup. Split screen multiplayer? Yup. Zooming sniper scope? Yup. I could go on and on. GoldenEye pioneered almost everything that is in modern console FPSes today. To give that honor to Halo is, well, erroneous and unfair.




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Uh, the original Half Life was a pretty damn good game in and of itself. The number of accolades it garnerned far outstrip that of its sequel and CS. So to say it got famous on account of the third party mods for it is erroneous and unfair.
Any kind of critic opinion and awards lists are mostly - excuse me- crap. The players' are the ones that matters. To say that those pretty medals make the game good is erroneous and unfair.


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Any kind of critic opinion and awards lists are mostly - excuse me- crap. The players' are the ones that matters. To say that those pretty medals make the game good is erroneous and unfair.
Well okay, if you want to go at it that way... eight million people obviously liked it enough to buy it, and that figure is from 2004. Now, whenever you sell a million of something, it's obviously well-liked. When you sell eight times that...well, you tell me.

But if you want actual player feedback, then sure, here you go.

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And for the record, you misconstrued what I meant. I pointed out the accolades because Half-Life earned them as results of being an excellent game. Having all those awards doesn't make it good, yeah I agree. The fact that it's a damn fine shooter makes it good. The awards are just gravy.




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You know what my theory is? Ctrl doesn't like Half Life, Halo, and Portal because they're popular. I mean, I don't like Halo either, but that's because I find the plot irritating and the gameplay unimpressive, especially since I've seen everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, done before and better in Tribes II.
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I don't really like Halo all that much. I have definately played better shooters. I think that the Halo series is a little over-rated. I still play the game sometimes though....

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Onto Halo you guys proved me wrong, I'll admit this time.

Many of the features I thought new weren't all that new.

If you allow me a new assertion, I'd say that Halo perfected the characteristics found on modern shooters and successfully transported them to a new generation.

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Well okay, if you want to go at it that way... eight million people obviously liked it enough to buy it, and that figure is from 2004. Now, whenever you sell a million of something, it's obviously well-liked. When you sell eight times that...well, you tell me.
An astounding, undeniable success. Sure, I never denied that, I merely pointed out that a fraction of those people might have actually bought the game thinking on their mods (I religiously believe that CS is more famous than Half-Life itself, partly due to it's terrorist vs cts premise).

Showing it's sold units is of not much use, however, since I simply can't do the same with it's mods.

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The same sites you mentioned now with the reviwed game being CS.

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I can't help but notice a lot of people will comment that it's definetly make buying HL on the first place rewarding.

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You know what my theory is? Ctrl doesn't like Half Life, Halo, and Portal because they're popular.
Your theory is wrong. Firstly, I like the three. If we restrict ourselves to HL2, though.

Secondly, I'm a Revan fanboy, so I'm obviously not on this trance of "let's hate everything people love!".

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I don't really like Halo all that much. I have definately played better shooters. I think that the Halo series is a little over-rated. I still play the game sometimes though....
Overrated? When any game becomes an icon to non-gamers as something that summarizes games at it's finest, then you bet it's overrated. It's still a great game and there's no shame(?) admitting you play it.


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