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Old 08-09-2008, 01:08 PM   #1
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MMOtor will be good if...

The Kotor MMO can be pretty fun if it does a few things correctly.

Make getting your character to be a Jedi difficult. Becoming a jedi isn't fun when EVERYBODY else in the game is one.

I kinda want to be a mercenary kinda character, something they wouldn't allow in previous kotors.

Next, make raids and instances.

Raids and instances are WAY better than any PVP system could ever be, I'd rather fight strategic bosses with 5 or 40 of my friends instead of go into a PVP area and get "PWNED" by the other team because my team sucks so bad it hurts.

Take tabs from WoW.
So many people hate WoW because they've never played it longer than 30 seconds, or be shown the ropes by a friend. I originally hated WoW with a passion, then, I picked it up, my friend showed me how to play, and I learned to love it.

WoW happens to be the one of the words top played games (as dictated www.xfire.com) Its gotta be doing something right.


Don't make it free.
This part is key, give it a monthly fee, but make everything else in the game absolutely free. That way, it pushes off the people that just want to ruin the game for everyone else, and removes the ability for EA to say "NO, if they want they're epic armor, they're going to have to PAY for it." A game that does that sorta thing, or something similar to that is "Rapellz Epic." (or however you spell that crazy name)

Make the combat system fun.
I'm not really a fan of either Mass effect, or Kotors combat system. Mass effects had all the stupid glitches and eff ups that drove me to almost not play the game. Kotors just got a tad boring after a bit.

If its going to be real time, which it most likely is, they should take tabs from Rainbow Six, and make it really slow, and tactical rather than a "Run out into the open and sprint alot!" sorta game. Rainbow Six focus's more on cover and stealth tactics to take someone out.

Sword Combat, Oblivion. KTHXBAI

Seriously, anything too complex will be difficult to remember, and anything really simple will be "ICLICKEDYOUTODEATH"

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Make The Storyline INSTANCED
I'm fine with being able to play with thousands of people, but I don't want to trade a storyline for a D-Bag with a maxed level character ruining your fun.

For those who don't know what "Instanced" means, its a place where only you can see yourself or friends you've invited in. No strangers, nothing, just you and a storyline. You leave the instanced area, and you will be taken back to the open world where the other players are.

WoW has instanced zones, raids, PVP, and 5 man zones, but with next to no storyline, but real fun game play. Guild Wars is completely instanced, except for the main cities.

Anyway, follow these rules and kotor will be fun for all!


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Old 08-09-2008, 01:43 PM   #2
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The Kotor MMO can be pretty fun if it does a few things correctly.

Make getting your character to be a Jedi difficult. Becoming a jedi isn't fun when EVERYBODY else in the game is one.

I kinda want to be a mercenary kinda character, something they wouldn't allow in previous kotors.
Yes. Please. This was one of the major flaws (imo) of Galaxies. 2 billion Jedi running aound kinda makes the 'mystique' fade a bit I would like to play a smuggler or bounty hunter-ish type rather than Jedi anyways, though wouldn't look forward to a group with all jedi's and one smuggler... talk about 5th wheel..hehehe. I'd like some variety... and while I admit that I will play a Jedi at some time (given if the class and character slots allowed grant it), other options will be a major plus. Heck, even an option to be a droid could be for some fun times

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Next, make raids and instances.

Raids and instances are WAY better than any PVP system could ever be, I'd rather fight strategic bosses with 5 or 40 of my friends instead of go into a PVP area and get "PWNED" by the other team because my team sucks so bad it hurts.
Again, I agree. In fact I'd go so far as to keep PvP only in certain areas.. or if the money is there, an altogether seperate server for those that DO like PvP.

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Take tabs from WoW.
So many people hate WoW because they've never played it longer than 30 seconds, or be shown the ropes by a friend. I originally hated WoW with a passion, then, I picked it up, my friend showed me how to play, and I learned to love it.

WoW happens to be the one of the words top played games (as dictated www.xfire.com) Its gotta be doing something right.
I've never played it, so I can't offer anything but an opinion, but I'd have to say that Blizzard is doing something right. You don't get to #1, much less remain at it, without a reason. Though since I've never played it, my opinion probably (more likely) is missing some vital experience to comment appropriately

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Don't make it free.
This part is key, give it a monthly fee, but make everything else in the game absolutely free. That way, it pushes off the people that just want to ruin the game for everyone else, and removes the ability for EA to say "NO, if they want they're epic armor, they're going to have to PAY for it." A game that does that sorta thing, or something similar to that is "Rapellz Epic." (or however you spell that crazy name)
Yep. While I would frown on a substantial monthly fee, one that ranges around today's market would be ideal. I have no qualms with a $14 / month fee should the content be 'worth' it and adequate updates are provided.

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Make the combat system fun....

Seriously, anything too complex will be difficult to remember, and anything really simple will be "ICLICKEDYOUTODEATH"
I haven't played many MMO's but I do regularly play DDO. Their combat is kind of a "mix". It's a clickfest.. however dice rolls, skill sets, weaponry & gear come in to play. It's real-time with modifiers so-to-say. And since it's a 'common sense' system (you have to face the enemy, be within range, etc.) I think it's pretty adequate for the genre. It's a combat system I like.. but I'm always up for suggestions


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Make The Storyline INSTANCED
I'm fine with being able to play with thousands of people, but I don't want to trade a storyline for a D-Bag with a maxed level character ruining your fun.

For those who don't know what "Instanced" means, its a place where only you can see yourself or friends you've invited in. No strangers, nothing, just you and a storyline. You leave the instanced area, and you will be taken back to the open world where the other players are.
Yes please.

DDO uses instancing for everything except the main "world". So you can rub elbows with friends, shop, auction, etc. but when it comes down to business.. it's you and your party members only. No need to worry about doing all the work and some uber group comes from behind and pwns your group and reaps reward.

I'm actually (probably one of the few ) who's looking forward to the MMO. My hopes are that some of the LF'ers are too since there's an established communtiy rapport.. I think it'd be a blast with gaming with several of you guys and gals


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Old 08-09-2008, 02:23 PM   #3
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I agree with pretty much what you guys said. I think I'm one of the few who play WoW here but I really like how they have both PVP and PVE and you don't have to do pvp if you don't want to, or the other way around.

I think for questing they should have a more story oriented questing system and make it just like you're playing KotOR instead of the killing, gathering, etc quests that WoW and probably most other mmos have.

I think that having a pvp system depends on how they do factions in the game. I mean we really know nothing about it, but if there are two clearly opposed factions in the game I think there should definitely be pvp. In WoW they have Normal and PVP servers, in a normal server you can only enter pvp combat in world if you're flagged as pvp, or if you are in the other faction's territory they can attack you. In a pvp server everyone is game in contested territory.

I would guess the combat system would be a turn based rpg style but obviously realtime and without pausing.

Again I like how WoW is set up so this is another thing I would take from that is to have dungeon areas instanced but have most of the world open, part of what I like about leveling in MMOs is the ability to interact with others so I think it would get boring if all questing areas were instanced.

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I'm actually (probably one of the few ) who's looking forward to the MMO. My hopes are that some of the LF'ers are too since there's an established communtiy rapport.. I think it'd be a blast with gaming with several of you guys and gals
I'm with you on that, I am looking forward to this and hope that they do it right. It would be great to have a LF guild or whatever the term would be in this game.


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Old 08-09-2008, 05:30 PM   #4
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Again, I agree. In fact I'd go so far as to keep PvP only in certain areas.. or if the money is there, an altogether seperate server for those that DO like PvP.
Agreed, in the upcoming WoW expansion they are adding dedicated PVP area's, even on servers where you must flag for PvP.

I like WoW's way of doing organized PVP, you talk to an NPC that queue's you up for a battle where you play things like CTF, or Conquest, or even a CTF/Conquest Hybrid, then be returned after your done.

There also is a more tactical "arena" pvp zone where you make a team (Either 2v2, 3v3, or 5v5) and battle it out, and if at the end of the arena season your in the top 3%, you get a fancy, uber mount to play with, and a title to go by your name.

Personally, PvP drives me insane after a while. The arena system is flawed that you have to play with player combos in order to be a good team, so playing with your friend, who's charecter conflicts with yours is suicide.

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Again I like how WoW is set up so this is another thing I would take from that is to have dungeon areas instanced but have most of the world open, part of what I like about leveling in MMOs is the ability to interact with others so I think it would get boring if all questing areas were instanced.
I agree with most of your points there, but it would be much better if a lot of the minor quests were in fact, instanced. This would allow more creative flow to come in how the quest are done, rather than kill X amount of Y, it could be like "Save this kid from a burning building!." That's pretty hard to do in a non-instanced zone, after a bit it would be kinda strange to see hundreds of people running out of the same burning building with the same kid xD


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Old 08-09-2008, 08:27 PM   #5
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Old 08-10-2008, 06:09 AM   #6
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i tried WoW some time ago and i gotta say it's a pretty good MMO. the only reason why i didn't like it was the uber boring leveling aKa grinding. If Bioware get's that right and manages to do a decent job at the other important aspects (economy, raids, pvp etc) i think we'll be looking at the best MMO ever
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Old 08-10-2008, 02:24 PM   #7
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i tried WoW some time ago and i gotta say it's a pretty good MMO. the only reason why i didn't like it was the uber boring leveling aKa grinding. If Bioware get's that right and manages to do a decent job at the other important aspects (economy, raids, pvp etc) i think we'll be looking at the best MMO ever
No offense to you, but really, there isn't much grinding in WoW, people grind because they can't figure out what to do, and then complain about how WoW involves to much grinding. There is only as much grinding as you allow there to be, I went from 1-70 on my shammy without grinding at all, and I'm doing the same on my rogue.

One my friends on wow has only ever done quests from 1-20, then did instances all the way till where he's at now, which is around 40, and he's been motoring through the levels.

I really hate it when people hate MMO's because you had to do so much grinding, there's only as much grinding as you allow there to be.

Also, if anyone's ever played Warcraft 3, they will understand that Blizzard really didn't want to sacrifice storyline for game play, there storytelling in W3 was amazing, and setup perfectly to WoW.


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well in recent times leveling has been made easier by upping the xp for everything. But i still gotta say i disagree
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Old 08-10-2008, 03:03 PM   #9
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I'm actually (probably one of the few ) who's looking forward to the MMO. My hopes are that some of the LF'ers are too since there's an established communtiy rapport.. I think it'd be a blast with gaming with several of you guys and gals
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Old 08-10-2008, 04:09 PM   #10
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The MMO doesn't sound that bad, and heck it might be good, but I do want to know what happened to Revan and the Exile, cause Kotor II kept me hanging, and since not many MMO's tend to have story or plot...

Look, Obsidian is right now working on a unknown RPG which I hope is Kotor III, and BioWare is working on a Unknown MMO which takes place in the Kotor universe, so maybe Kotor III will come out after all, and the MMO is going to come out as a spin off to the Kotor series..


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It'll be good if it's actually a SPRPG.


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Old 08-10-2008, 09:53 PM   #12
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I'm actually (probably one of the few ) who's looking forward to the MMO. My hopes are that some of the LF'ers are too since there's an established communtiy rapport.. I think it'd be a blast with gaming with several of you guys and gals
That might be one of the few things that may actually make it worth buying!

Forgive me, but I have become confused (happens often - don't worry). This MMO encompasses the Old Republic era, not just post-TSL?


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Old 08-10-2008, 11:50 PM   #13
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That might be one of the few things that may actually make it worth buying!
It's definitely one of the selling points for me

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Forgive me, but I have become confused (happens often - don't worry). This MMO encompasses the Old Republic era, not just post-TSL?
That's what I've gathered. Know one knows for sure if it's a continuation of the KotOR/Revan/Exile saga.. but it's definitely within the era. Game-wise.. I would hope the MMO encompasses more than the just singular storyline. Quite a bit has happened in this time period.. so I hope the MMO expands it from all directions.

Unlimited possibilities, and as expansive as MMO's have to be to support (hopefully) the oodles of players / fan base... I hope they spice it up a bit.

Mentioning key actors (Revan, Exile, and their respective company etc.) is fine and dandy, but I really hope that's not the only thing the game will revolve around.


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Old 08-11-2008, 06:33 AM   #14
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It's definitely one of the selling points for me


That's what I've gathered. Know one knows for sure if it's a continuation of the KotOR/Revan/Exile saga.. but it's definitely within the era. Game-wise.. I would hope the MMO encompasses more than the just singular storyline. Quite a bit has happened in this time period.. so I hope the MMO expands it from all directions.

Unlimited possibilities, and as expansive as MMO's have to be to support (hopefully) the oodles of players / fan base... I hope they spice it up a bit.

Mentioning key actors (Revan, Exile, and their respective company etc.) is fine and dandy, but I really hope that's not the only thing the game will revolve around.
It would make the most sense I think to have it Pre-KotOR/TSL - as part of either the Mandalorian War or the Jedi Civil War.



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Old 08-11-2008, 09:56 AM   #15
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since when is obsidian working on an unknown rpg? And when did they begin on it. Waiting an other 3 years for this bloody game is going to be..... inconvenient. (the sp-rpg)
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Grouping with a bunch of LF'ers could make for some good times. We can all muck up together and rule KotOR not only in forums, but the games as well...
Basically, you are saying: "Together we can rule this MMO as moderator, and members. We can end this conflict!"

Or you mean we'll go and raid Traya for the 'Noseclamp of +5 vs. Gungans' with all here?

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Grouping with a bunch of LF'ers could make for some good times. We can all muck up together and rule KotOR not only in forums, but the games as well...
I hope it would have rules. It can get pretty [CENSORED] here, if you know what I mean.
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Old 08-12-2008, 02:43 AM   #18
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As long as they stick with the 2 exisiting kotor formulas for gameplay style I'll be very happy. The idea of an mmo really sits well with me too (especially if its on 360 as well) because for the first time ever we would have a well supported kotor game! Can you imagine? Regular patches, possible expansions even a complete storyline!?!?! (well maybe I'm over extending myself here). Seriously though I could see this being really awesome or really terrible. I definitely like the idea of kotor online play though
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Old 08-12-2008, 09:47 AM   #19
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I've tried a -lot- of MMOs, albeit not for very long each time, so I feel like I can give -some- opinion on this.

Though I don't mind instances, I'm not a fan of "raids". I mean, I'm sure they can be fun, but it essentially prevents those who are guildless or in smaller guilds from accessing the higher-end content. Many raiding guilds stick to 20-player rather than 40-player raids because they just don't have the numbers to get 40 people together at the same time to play for several hours. However, I -do- like 40-person PvP battles, a la Alterac Valley, where a player can just jump in and join the war, so to speak. Depending on the era, I think that using a lot of instanced "big battle" PvP could be fun -and- appropriate.

And sometimes, if you don't have a guild or a constant playing party of friends, it basically turns into a one player game with a monthly fee, or a "Let's stand around yelling in LFG for three hours" game if you want to do an instance or a hard quest (Or, in some games, if you want to try and do any fighting or levelling at all. I'm looking at you FFXI). I know these issues are in MMOs everywhere, and I'm not sure how to work around them, but that would be my one big MMO-related hang-up.

On a minor note, I hope they don't seperate the European, American, etc servers like I know some games do. I mean, I know it means that servers will fill up quickly, but... the internet is region-free, so MMOs should be too. Plus it would make for a bigger Team LF. We could rule the world! (Well, alright, "rule one server", but that should be good enough)
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* balk * 40 people raids... This has to be a WoW thing right?

That's just way too much heads to count (imo). In DDO, raid groups max out at 12, and even that's a mess sometimes.. I couldn't imagine having to try and get a gameplan together for 40 people unless you were in a guild.

At least with the 12 person raids, guild-less alts get a chance to play too. Even though I'm in a guild in DDO, we're always willing to accept PUGs.

Wow, 40 people?! Really?! that'd blow my mind.. I don't like crowds in RL and even that many OL (online life ) in one group spooks me I think that'd put me off raids too... hehehe...


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I was disapointed at first, when I heard that a KOTOR MMO was comming out instead of K3 (c'mon, people, K2 was a cliffhanger for crying out loud!) but now I've kinda accepted it. It shoudln't be half bad considering its Bioware, and if they don't do these things:

1) Make the MMO take place after K2. Seriously, I don't trust MMO storylines as much as good-old-RPGs. When they continue the story from the cliffhanger ending in K2, I expect K3. Besides, this game would be amazing if it took place during the Mandalorian or Jedi Civil War.

2) Allow everyone to become a Jedi easily, or (worse) force them to. This time period has many different factions of interesting and cool possibly playable characters. Even in this time, with many more Jedi then could reasonably be in Galaxy, there still wouldn't be only Jedi running around everywhere. Make it a challenge to become a Jedi, and give people other options, and the game will become considerably more interesting. Just imagine being able to play as Mandalorians, Jedi, Sith, smugglers, or maybe even just the Republic/Sith troopers. (OMG, ordinary people *scream* )

3) Charge for armour/weapons/different side-quests. Give us a fee every month, fine. As long as the price is reasonable and the game is worth it, there is no problem there. But when you find items/quests/features that require real-world money... people stop playing. Even if its a good game, many wouldn't want it if you couldn't access certain features without paying more money.

4) Don't give it a storyline. Give it one. It gets boring without it and I shouldn't have to explain why.
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* balk * 40 people raids... This has to be a WoW thing right?

That's just way too much heads to count (imo). In DDO, raid groups max out at 12, and even that's a mess sometimes.. I couldn't imagine having to try and get a gameplan together for 40 people unless you were in a guild.

At least with the 12 person raids, guild-less alts get a chance to play too. Even though I'm in a guild in DDO, we're always willing to accept PUGs.

Wow, 40 people?! Really?! that'd blow my mind.. I don't like crowds in RL and even that many OL (online life ) in one group spooks me I think that'd put me off raids too... hehehe...
The current raid model for WoW is 25 man raids, and it works pretty well, but I would agree that lesser numbers for raids or whatever in this game would probably be better.


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The current raid model for WoW is 25 man raids, and it works pretty well, but I would agree that lesser numbers for raids or whatever in this game would probably be better.
ahh.. whew OK that sounds at least more manageable..
But yeah, for StarWars, unless everyone were ARC soldiers or Rebel soldiers.. I just don't see that many in a group.. raid or not..

For KotOR, or heck, even StarWars itself.. I've always pictured smaller 'covert / special-ops' groups and I'd like to think the MMO would somehow replicate it.

DDO almost fits the formulae... 6 person max "normal" group.. 12 max "raid" group. Smething along those numbers would be kewl. UNLESS they DO incorporate ARC / Rebel - ish classes (or starship battles) .. then I could see a call for larger groups.


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The current raid model for WoW is 25 man raids, and it works pretty well, but I would agree that lesser numbers for raids or whatever in this game would probably be better.
Well, alot of it is organization, have one person who really knows the instance well, and have that guy organize them, even something like screaming "ENFEEBLE" is well organized in a WoW setting.

Also, in the next WoW expansion, all raids will be 10 OR 25 man, so most people now have a choice

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Though I don't mind instances, I'm not a fan of "raids". I mean, I'm sure they can be fun, but it essentially prevents those who are guildless or in smaller guilds from accessing the higher-end content. Many raiding guilds stick to 20-player rather than 40-player raids because they just don't have the numbers to get 40 people together at the same time to play for several hours.
I DO agree with your point that its tough to get a whole lot of people together for a couple of hours. I've only ever done 10 man Karazahn, it was fun and all, but we took so long that I just couldn't stay past 12AM. I'm just glad my guild has enough people for it not to matter.

However, some people REALLY love 25 mans, guilds like Nihlium and EJ's thrive off them and show the world that, give the option for 25, 40, or whatever amount of people needed to have raid.

Also, most guild's plan months in advance for their raids, people will often have enough time to figure out if their going or not and post it of the Calender. Its all about organization.

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Starship battles....now that sounds like fun....


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War is by its very nature chaotic. I would like to see a few massive set-piece battles, to give a sense of confusion - it just makes things more exciting when you are fighting constantly in a game just to remain an active player (like some levels in Battlefront), and can't see WHAT is going on because you are so fixated on your own health gauge!

Balance that with small scale raids, and it would be great! Chaos and careful planning contrasting. An all-out battle for survival followed by sneaking around or a surprise onslaught.

BUT NO MONTHLY FEES!!! I see what you mean about discouraging time-wasters, but it also discourages people who don't like shelling out more than once for a game. It wasn't needed for SFC3's Dynaverse multiplayer, it isn't required for PS3's online gaming, why should this be any different?


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War is by its very nature chaotic. I would like to see a few massive set-piece battles, to give a sense of confusion - it just makes things more exciting when you are fighting constantly in a game just to remain an active player (like some levels in Battlefront), and can't see WHAT is going on because you are so fixated on your own health gauge!

Balance that with small scale raids, and it would be great! Chaos and careful planning contrasting. An all-out battle for survival followed by sneaking around or a surprise onslaught.

BUT NO MONTHLY FEES!!! I see what you mean about discouraging time-wasters, but it also discourages people who don't like shelling out more than once for a game. It wasn't needed for SFC3's Dynaverse multiplayer, it isn't required for PS3's online gaming, why should this be any different?
Two reasons really:

One, MMO's are REALLY expensive, and they cost alot of money to maintain everyday, buying the game and not paying monthly means they have to find a way to get you to pay more for the game, so you'll start seeing things like "BUY YOUR NEW EPIC GEAR NOW!" and a lot of us want to earn them, not go to some in game store and buy them.

Also, that would cause them to start calling in sponsors, so you'll start seeing things like "Pepsi Gauntlets of Power!." not fun.

Second, A lot of the younger people in the world find it quite fun to ruin other peoples time by doing things like spamming, doing the "Name Stealing" thing, or worst of all, making fortunes by selling the starting armor thousands of times.


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Two reasons really:

One, MMO's are REALLY expensive, and they cost alot of money to maintain everyday, buying the game and not paying monthly means they have to find a way to get you to pay more for the game, so you'll start seeing things like "BUY YOUR NEW EPIC GEAR NOW!" and a lot of us want to earn them, not go to some in game store and buy them.
I see. Fair enough, I suppose. I remain against it in principle, but would accept it if the fee was restricted to what is necessary to maintain the format. I don't like these other MMO's where you are essentially paying the sticker price of the game again every month.


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Personally, I'd rather have Yearly Fees or a Pay-Us-Every-6-Months. But I suppose at a business stand-point Monthly fees make more sense. (So you can cancel at anytime, that way you don't really have people say, "But I want to cancel it NOW!")
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What about a Pay-As-You-Play type system? Pay a certain amount of money to play for a certain amount of time. That way people like myself who get about an hour of free time a day when studying begins again wouldn't need to pay a huge amount of money to play for a couple of hours in particular months.


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What about a Pay-As-You-Play type system? Pay a certain amount of money to play for a certain amount of time. That way people like myself who get about an hour of free time a day when studying begins again wouldn't need to pay a huge amount of money to play for a couple of hours in particular months.
That probably won't work, and most likely end up more expensive in the long run. Unless we're talking like 1p ($0.02) an hour here, which is kinda stupid .

As far as the topic goes, I have faith that Bioware won't screw this up.

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That probably won't work, and most likely end up more expensive in the long run. Unless we're talking like 1p ($0.02) an hour here, which is kinda stupid .
Depends how often you use it. For some, it would be better, for others, worse.


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Depends how often you use it. For some, it would be better, for others, worse.
Exactly, so a better way to go is to even everything out and just have the standard monthly fee

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Meh, as long as the MMO is 40$ per year, I couldn't care less about that.

But if its 60$ each year, then screw this damn MMO.


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Not going to happen, buddy. It's going to be well in excess of $100 each year. Might be as low as $10 a month, but that's as good as it's probably gonna get.

Hopefully, they won't try to ride a line like Galaxies. You either need to let no one be Force-Sensitive, or you need to let every character be Force-Sensitive. You go in the middle, EVERYONE whines. You take one side, and only one section whines.
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well.. I can't say "most" MMO's offer payment plans (6months, annual, etc.) since I only play one atm ..hehehe but DDO does offer more than the standard month-per-month. Cheaper that way too. You can go monthly, quarterly, semi-annual or annual.

But I do agree that the monthly fees should not go past $14 (avg standard nowadays). I have seen some MMO's offer $9.99 a month which would be nice since I don't see the Star Wars franchise going broke any time soon. Would be nice if they gave fans a break in the pocket lest they suffer a Galaxies fallout

Now if they offer superb support and updates out the wazoo.. then yeah, I'd be willing to fork out $14 a month since you're essentially getting more game than the initial sticker price to buy the 'base' game. While you might be paying for the game 3 times over during a year.. if they offer appropriate updates to equal 3 games of content.. then I see that as an acceptable compromise...

If they offer squat and still insist on the a high monthly fee.. then no, that's just wrong and the MMO won't last.


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I'd like it to be the Guild Wars model and you just pay for the campaign, but I don't see that happening. I could live with a lifetime membership with a one-time fee, however.
Would definitely be a plus

The only reason I like monthly fees is that it also acts as a "somewhat" deterrent to not only punk kids.. but also to farmers (aka plat farmers). While no MMO is safe from them... most farmers are hesitant to purchase the game and maintain the fees since account banning can cut into their profits. Most thrive on free trials and such and only live as long as player reports and support teams methodically kill such accounts.

Never a 100% solution, but as much as people would complain, I'd like a very limited free trial account system. Not necessarily 'short' but limited as far as mechanics and what a person can do with trials. Just enough to wet the appetite so to say


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Now if they offer superb support and updates out the wazoo..
That's one thing I love about Turbine. Update, update, update!

It will be interesting to see how Bioware supports the game.
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I'd like it to be the Guild Wars model and you just pay for the campaign, but I don't see that happening. I could live with a lifetime membership with a one-time fee, however.
I'm a fan of the Lifetime Membership and would definitely get one. I got the Lifetime Membership for Lord of the Rings Online. What I love is that I don't feel like I'm obligated to play to get my money's worth each month. I just play when I feel like it.

For LotRO it was $200 because I got it during Open Beta. I think they offer it to anyone for $300, though. I would love to have Bioware do something similar to LotRO Founder's Pricing and Lifetime Membership.


As far as the game itself... I think people have a case of "Galaxies Phobia." If I'm playing Knights of the Old Republic, I want to be a freaking Knight of the Old Republic.

The problem with Galaxies is that they changed mid stream. If they allowed anyone to be a Jedi from day one, they wouldn't have the problems they have now, at least as far as the Jedi issue is concerned. People would still complain about too many Jedi running around, but gameplay trumps canon/lore. If everything else was good, too many Jedi wouldn't be an issue.

The other problem is that Jedi, by nature, are overpowered compared to other classes. If they try to make the game a PvP game, then they would have problems, but if it's a PvE game, balance isn't that important. LotRO is that way. Some classes have an easier time with certain quest, indeed, the Guardian class (Tank) can get away with doing many quest that they shouldn't be able to do level wise. For example, a Level 30 Guardian usually can do a level 33-34 solo quest with few problems. Not all classes can do that, but when they are the right level for a quest, they can complete it.

This is how I view Jedi. I don't care if they are more powerful than other classes as long as the other classes are capable and fun to play.

The other thing with KotOR is that there are different classes of Jedi. This is an excellent way to "de-power" the Jedi a bit. Rather than just making a Jedi, you would have to pick a Jedi class. The Consular, for example, could be the Healing Class. They would still have to be capable fighters, and obviously have some offensive powers, but their focus would be on healing. Still, a Non-Jedi Medic/Doctor, would still be a better healer, just not as good a fighter.

The other Jedi classes could be balanced similarly, and new Jedi classes could be introduced, such as a tech oriented Jedi class.

Anyway, that's my two cents at this point.


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Maybe they will have a 'Jedi-killer' class, the likes of Atton in TSL. You know, the elite non-Jedi/Dark Jedi soldiers that were especially adept at killing Jedi. Or an HK-47 class? That would balance it. It would make sense if it was set during the Jedi Civil War and the TSL timeframe.


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I'm sure they'll have one or more classes that get some sort of bonus against Jedi than the average class, otherwise it would be way too easy for Jedi.
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