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Old 10-21-2008, 07:07 PM   #41
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Hm? Revan's dead? Proof please.

By the way, I've heard from a fanboy who said Revan is still alive in the Galactic Empire era


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Old 10-21-2008, 07:13 PM   #42
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Hm? Revan's dead? Proof please.

By the way, I've heard from a fanboy who said Revan is still alive in the Galactic Empire era
Revan can't live forever you know! Everything dies! (At least according to Matthew Stove, the author of Revenge of the Sith, lol.)


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Old 10-21-2008, 07:23 PM   #43
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Maybe they will have an extremly long set of high level quests that allow you to answer questions left from the previous Kotor games.

That would be interesting.


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Old 10-21-2008, 07:33 PM   #44
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2 jedi? maybe revan and exile?

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I haven't seen a mention of the Jedi Exile. I wonder if they cut her out of the story. We will have to wait and see.
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Old 10-21-2008, 07:53 PM   #46
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The new Emperor could be Jedi Exile's and Revan's offspring.
Great a person who was borne to two light side Jedi (against the code) with Revan (Light side male is canonical) being close to Yoda in Midichlorian count and The Jedi Exile (Light side female) who is powerless, but cyphons power from other Force users, Revan.

Assuming Revan was happy to see the Exile after trying to kill her at Malachor V for disloyalty, Revan would have to betray Bastila to have the offspring with the Exile.

Yes, I know you were joking, but still.

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I haven't seen a mention of the Jedi Exile. I wonder if they cut her out of the story. We will have to wait and see.
That's true! But since she is part of the Official Star Wars lore for the Expanded Universe, they can't, just forget she ever existed either. Although, I noticed that they seemed to get rid of Obsidian's Jedi robe concept that looked more like the Prequels.

Have you seen the oversized lightsabers for The Old Republic? They look like a club. But, the fact that they clip to your belt is cool. Look at the screenshots on IGN, you'll see what I mean. That sure beats constantly holding your lightsaber in your hand when you are having a casual conversation or playing Pazaak.



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Old 10-21-2008, 08:01 PM   #47
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Don't get me wrong. I believe that Revan is already dead, I just want some real proof that say Revan is dead.


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Old 10-21-2008, 08:39 PM   #48
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The true origins of the Sith remain shrouded in mystery. The Sith race was, in fact, largely unimportant until three thousand years ago, when Dark Jedi exiles arrived on Korriban and subjugated the Sith beneath their rule and their philosophy.

As the years passed, the Dark Jedi intermarried with those they ruled, and within generations, the word ďSithĒ took on new meaning. This powerful new civilization began expanding rapidly, led by a growing population of ambitious dark Force-users. Fifteen hundred years ago, the Sith civilizationís boundaries reached the Republic, and the Great Hyperspace War began.

Dark Lord of the Sith Naga Sadow led his armies in an aggressive campaign to destroy the Galactic Republic. Though the Sith were successful at first, the Jedi Order rallied back to defeat their dark counterparts, systematically destroying the Sith civilization on Korriban.

Unbeknownst to the Jedi however, the last Emperor of the Sith managed to escape the carnage and fled into Deep Space with his most trusted Dark Lords.

These surviving Sith began rebuilding their society on a distant planet, hoping to one-day return for revenge.

Over the course of the next thousand years, the Sith Empire recovered its strength. The Emperor developed a massive Imperial military, a fleet of advanced warships, and undertook dark rituals which prolonged his life and his undisputed rule.

When the time for vengeance arrived, the Sith began infiltrating star systems in the Outer Rim, sowing seeds of discord and making secret deals with local criminals and warlords. With all the pieces perfectly in place, the Sith launched an enormous offensive which caught the Jedi completely off-guard. In the first wave alone, the Sith succeeded in seizing control of several star systems in the Outer Rim, destroying the Republicís shipyards in the Sluis sector, and strangling the popular Rimma Trade Route.

After the initial crush, the Emperorís brilliant strategies continued and the brutal force of the Imperial military slammed the Republic time and time again, from the deep sinkholes of Utapau to the tall forests of Agamar. Though it seemed the Empire was capable of waging war indefinitely, the Emperor surprised the Republic yet again.

While the Emperorís Dark Council engaged Republic leaders in peace talks, several Sith Lords and an elite Imperial army sacked the Republicís capital planet.

Destroying the Jedi Temple and holding the planet hostage, the Sith left Republic leaders no choice but to surrender several outlying star systems by signing the Treaty of Coruscant.

Since the treaty, the Emperor has withdrawn to pursue his own mysterious goals, deferring control to the Dark Council, and setting the stage for a brutal power struggle. In the political vacuum, the strongest and most cunning Sith and Imperial leaders are rising up to assume authority, consolidate the Empireís dominion and crush its enemies.
Holy Henna! BioWare went by the Star Wars Databank.

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Revan?
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Old 10-21-2008, 09:10 PM   #49
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Revan?
You know, I'm not sure why, but I seriously doubt it. IIRC, Sidious was taken under Plagius' wing as a child.

Maybe Plageius was Revan's apprentice at one point, and Plageius did the same thing to Revan.
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Old 10-21-2008, 09:14 PM   #50
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Have you seen the oversized lightsabers for The Old Republic? They look like a club. But, the fact that they clip to your belt is cool. Look at the screenshots on IGN, you'll see what I mean. That sure beats constantly holding your lightsaber in your hand when you are having a casual conversation or playing Pazaak.
I saw them. There is a screenshot where the lightsaber is extremely massive.

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Old 10-21-2008, 09:18 PM   #51
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Why is this game so cartoony? Can someone explain, PLEASE?


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Old 10-21-2008, 09:28 PM   #52
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That lightsaber looked unsatisfactory. It looks, as mentioned, cartoonish and not at all Star Wars-esque. [/disappointment] I hope that this is just concept art.
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Old 10-21-2008, 09:34 PM   #53
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Its a screenshot. Foreshortening?
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Old 10-21-2008, 10:03 PM   #54
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Don't get me wrong. I believe that Revan is already dead, I just want some real proof that say Revan is dead.
You don't need proof. It's proved by default by the fact that Revan can't live 300 years.


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Old 10-21-2008, 11:37 PM   #55
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Why is this game so cartoony? Can someone explain, PLEASE?
BioWare is borrowing from the World of Warcraft style of characters. Lucas has done this a few times before. Gallactic Battlesgrounds was borrowed from Microsoft's Age of Empires. The cartoony style is a mimic of War of Warcraft and Diablo III. I hope they thin out some stuff. The final game will look very close to how it is now.
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:40 PM   #56
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BioWare is borrowing from the World of Warcraft style of characters. Lucas has done this a few times before. Gallactic Battlesgrounds was borrowed from Microsoft's Age of Empires. The cartoony style is a mimic of War of Warcraft and Diablo III. I hope they thin out some stuff. The final game will look very close to how it is now.
Personally I only have a major problem with the Light Sabers. The trimmed down graphics are designed to be friendly to a large variety of computers, so I can understand why they did it.

Matrix Online has beautiful graphics, but due to them the community suffered a lot of lag and system problems.

But, these pictures are still pre-alpha. The look will evolve and change over time I'm guessing.

It is disappointing they wont be trying for an actual Kotor look though...
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:45 PM   #57
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BioWare is borrowing from the World of Warcraft style of characters. Lucas has done this a few times before. Gallactic Battlesgrounds was borrowed from Microsoft's Age of Empires. The cartoony style is a mimic of War of Warcraft and Diablo III. I hope they thin out some stuff. The final game will look very close to how it is now.
I don't think the game looks cartoony at all, definitely not like World of Warcraft and Diablo 3 does not look cartoony.

Example: http://cdn-www.swtor.com/sites/all/f...rDuel_full.jpg


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Old 10-21-2008, 11:45 PM   #58
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It is disappointing they wont be trying for an actual Kotor look though...
I was wondering if the singleplayer games will remain close in style; thus, the online game will have its own seperate allure. I'm sure your right. This game still has some more roads to head down. We may endup getting a KotOR III in the future; however, it will be close to the style of the first two. Who really can tell? Anything is possible.

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I don't think the game looks cartoony at all, definitely not like World of Warcraft and Diablo 3 does not look cartoony.
Example: http://cdn-www.swtor.com/sites/all/f...rDuel_full.jpg
It has to be those lightsabers and big hands. We will have to see how things progress from here.

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Old 10-21-2008, 11:54 PM   #59
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I am thinking the lightsabers will be sized down by the time the game is released, I do agree they do not look good at this stage.


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I figured it out. The Sith Lords had less color tones and values. Everything in the second game seemed dark and muted. Kind of grungy. The Old Republic has brighter colors and a larger pallette. Light sources also seem to be brighter. Everything seems more polished and clean. Some things remind me of the first game; however, the color pallete has been opened up. People got use to The Sith Lords color tones; therefore, the second game's experience should have made you feel dark and helpless. The Old Republic will feel more epic and upbeat in some locations, and more darker and cold in other locations. BioWare is playing on color and their symbolic moods.
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Old 10-22-2008, 01:08 AM   #61
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It looks like the borrowed the style of lightsabers from TemporaryTomato.

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I don't mind the thought of Revan and The Exile getting pwned by the True Sith, since it makes sense Sith would end up returning anyway but the story of Revan is my(the players) story. I would of liked to seen it through to it's conclusion. I also would like to think Revan almost succeeded in defeating the Sith but in the end was overwhelmed. Martyrdom Baby!
I posted this elsewhere.

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Old 10-22-2008, 02:07 AM   #62
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I bet they'll make a KOTOR III where Revan returns 400 years after KOTOR II.


If not they already said this would be like KOTOR 3-6 so we will all learn what happened to Revan. Chill-out.
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Old 10-22-2008, 02:13 AM   #63
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Revan is the New Emperor. All the bits fit. He was planning on destroying the Republic all along, the sneaky bastard.


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Old 10-22-2008, 02:18 AM   #64
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Old 10-22-2008, 06:00 AM   #65
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Hm? Revan's dead? Proof please.

By the way, I've heard from a fanboy who said Revan is still alive in the Galactic Empire era
300 years...that man has some wrinkles then

Anyways, I had a night to think about this. Revan's fate can actually turn out to be epically cool!
Imagine this:
-According to Kreia, the True Sith were already rebuilding
-They swiped Corruscant. Capital of the Republic
-It took them 300 years to find the Republic. But according to Kreia, they were already there...

So what....if Revan, the Exile, HK (we KNOW he joined the Sith, check the background in the interview) fought a Guerilla war there. Weakened the Sith infrastructure. Raids...try to postpone the inevitable, trying to save the Republic from invasion.

I can totally imagine it: Revan single handedly wiping out a communications facility, The Exile entering from the other side, eliminating several Sith....

I see great comic/book/game? Potential here!

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Old 10-22-2008, 07:03 AM   #66
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Revan simply is dead or is the sith emperor. Him being the emperor actually makes a tiny bit a of sense. On the website it says the emperor is actually like 1000 years old and more importantly in the war against the republic it states he used brilliant tactics:

Over the course of the next thousand years, the Sith Empire recovered its strength. The Emperor developed a massive Imperial military, a fleet of advanced warships, and undertook dark rituals which prolonged his life and his undisputed rule.

When the time for vengeance arrived, the Sith began infiltrating star systems in the Outer Rim, sowing seeds of discord and making secret deals with local criminals and warlords. With all the pieces perfectly in place, the Sith launched an enormous offensive which caught the Jedi completely off-guard. In the first wave alone, the Sith succeeded in seizing control of several star systems in the Outer Rim, destroying the Republicís shipyards in the Sluis sector, and strangling the popular Rimma Trade Route.

After the initial crush, the Emperorís brilliant strategies continued and the brutal force of the Imperial military slammed the Republic time and time again, from the deep sinkholes of Utapau to the tall forests of Agamar. Though it seemed the Empire was capable of waging war indefinitely, the Emperor surprised the Republic yet again.
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Old 10-22-2008, 07:20 AM   #67
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I don't think Revan has the monopoly on brilliant military tactics.

And it will be disappointing to see him turn Sith again after all he has been through in Kotor. The options that he's offspring of Revan is acceptable, but Revan himself? No.

I've had enough of insanely old Sith with Krayt..

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2 jedi? maybe revan and exile?
can you give me the source for that? i saw that live blog by that guy on VG247.com, but i cant find that little bit about those two sith!

it would stink for me if the emperor was revan... and if he(/she-?) is a descendant of revan... well, unless bastila went off and found revan or something. i kinda thought the emperor would be one of the dark lords from pre-k1 era. but who knows? anything is possible... "always in motion, the future is..." (well, in our brains, anyway )

i dont really like the cartooniness of the concept art either.. but if the story is crazy epic like they say it will be, ill look over it!
but they seriously need to fix those lightsabers... the hilts alone look like they could clobber someone to death.... *duel sounds of lightsabers* *vmm vmm KSSSCHK! vmm KSSCK! vmm vmm vmmm....* *clonk.* *die*

or

Guy:"hey, cool dumbbells ya got there!"
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maybe there'll be a new saber combat style: Form VIII/Ishi - the way of the rock.



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Old 10-22-2008, 10:39 AM   #69
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It seems highly unlikely that Revan is the Sith Emperor.

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Dark Lord of the Sith Naga Sadow led his armies in an aggressive campaign to destroy the Galactic Republic. Though the Sith were successful at first, the Jedi Order rallied back to defeat their dark counterparts, systematically destroying the Sith civilization on Korriban.

Unbeknownst to the Jedi however, the last Emperor of the Sith managed to escape the carnage and fled into Deep Space with his most trusted Dark Lords.
And he extends his life, apparently. It looks more likely that Revan fell before him.


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Old 10-23-2008, 01:48 AM   #70
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can you give me the source for that? i saw that live blog by that guy on VG247.com, but i cant find that little bit about those two sith!

it would stink for me if the emperor was revan... and if he(/she-?) is a descendant of revan... well, unless bastila went off and found revan or something. i kinda thought the emperor would be one of the dark lords from pre-k1 era. but who knows? anything is possible... "always in motion, the future is..." (well, in our brains, anyway )

i dont really like the cartooniness of the concept art either.. but if the story is crazy epic like they say it will be, ill look over it!
but they seriously need to fix those lightsabers... the hilts alone look like they could clobber someone to death.... *duel sounds of lightsabers* *vmm vmm KSSSCHK! vmm KSSCK! vmm vmm vmmm....* *clonk.* *die*

or

Guy:"hey, cool dumbbells ya got there!"
Jedi Guy:"oh these? theyre lightsabers."
Guy:

maybe there'll be a new saber combat style: Form VIII/Ishi - the way of the rock.
Yeah, forget dueling with lightsabers. Just run around hitting people upside the head with the hilts. The whole server will be nothing but cheapshots. Jedi running around clobbering people over the head.

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Old 10-23-2008, 02:00 AM   #71
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Revan is the New Emperor. All the bits fit. He was planning on destroying the Republic all along, the sneaky bastard.
actually reading that Sith Empire description again, there's no way the Emperor could be Revan (unless someone messed up, lol), since the Sith Emperor was alive before Revan's "Sith" Empire was even formed.

Still, Revan could be that unknown Sith Lord carbon frozen with Sith Troopers in some undisclosed location from the end of Empire at War: Forces of Corruption, lolz. 'Course he'd have to fall to the Dark side...again...

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So what....if Revan, the Exile, HK (we KNOW he joined the Sith, check the background in the interview) fought a Guerilla war there. Weakened the Sith infrastructure. Raids...try to postpone the inevitable, trying to save the Republic from invasion.

I can totally imagine it: Revan single handedly wiping out a communications facility, The Exile entering from the other side, eliminating several Sith....

I see great comic/book/game? Potential here!
see, that's what I mean...what would not be awesome if that was KotOR III? Sure, we know they failed to stop the Sith, but it would still be epic!
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Old 10-23-2008, 05:01 AM   #72
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see, that's what I mean...what would not be awesome if that was KotOR III? Sure, we know they failed to stop the Sith, but it would still be epic!
Yep...it has that '300' feel all over it

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Old 10-23-2008, 10:12 PM   #73
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Um, the two Jedi are none other than Revan and Malak...
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Old 10-24-2008, 02:21 AM   #74
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Couldn't the much simpler answer have been that Kreia Lied about everything, (including just inventing the existence of the "True Sith") to scare the exile, kill the force, etc.?

Would've made things much easier to come up with, IMO .

I'm kinda doubting it though, it does sound like they're really real (and in known space) now....
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Revan could still be alive, right? He's a Hutt from Kashyyyk disguised as a human threatening to overthrow the Republic
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The ideal fate of Revan would be trying to fight some sort guerrilla war against the so-called "True Sith" with the Exile and their companions. Of course, 22 people can't defeat an Empire, so they would get picked off one by one until only Revan and Exile are left. They manage to kill most of the major True Sith leaders, but the strain of everything that happened drove Revan insane, and she attempts to become the leader of the Sith again.

The Exile, who is still relatively sane, kills Revan to stop her plans and is subsequently mowed down by a horde of Sith minions. The Republic and the Jedi (who are being rebuilt by Atris or someone else, if Atris doesn't return from exile) never know what happened to them. Life isn't fair sometimes.

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Yeah, 'cause getting captured, mindwiped and having his plans fall into total disarray is such an obvious sign of winning. >_>
Allow me to extrapolate on Avery's behalf.

Revan always won, no matter what, except in instances when his/her setbacks could clearly be milked for pro-Revan propaganda by the fans.


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Old 12-24-2008, 03:06 PM   #78
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The ideal fate of Revan would be trying to fight some sort guerrilla war against the so-called "True Sith" with the Exile and their companions. Of course, 22 people can't defeat an Empire, so they would get picked off one by one until only Revan and Exile are left. They manage to kill most of the major True Sith leaders, but the strain of everything that happened drove Revan insane, and she [he] attempts to become the leader of the Sith again.

The Exile, who is still relatively sane, kills Revan to stop her [his] plans and is subsequently mowed down by a horde of Sith minions. The Republic and the Jedi (who are being rebuilt by Atris or someone else, if Atris doesn't return from exile) never know what happened to them. Life isn't fair sometimes.


Allow me to extrapolate on Avery's behalf.

Revan always won, no matter what, except in instances when his/her [his] setbacks could clearly be milked for pro-Revan propaganda by the fans.
Revan is light side male, the Exile is light side female, canonically speaking, and they never took their companions with them. They, purposely, left them behind because it was too dangerous. Plus, the Sith Emperor is one thousand years old by the time The Old Republic takes place, which makes him only seven hundred during the time Revan and the Exile would be fighting them.

I think that the guerrilla effort was them trying to sew dissent among loyal Imperials. That way, they can weaken the Sith Empire and gain allies, in the process, the expendable kind. This gives them an army without any emotional connections to their forces, which is why they left everyone else in known space to begin with. It will make it easier for them to take on the dark side without falling victim to it themselves.

Who knows, they might even hire some Mandalorians, since they are in the Unknown Regions to begin with.



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Old 12-24-2008, 06:05 PM   #79
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Revan is light side male, the Exile is light side female, canonically speaking
I was speaking in regards to what I consider to be the ideal canonical outcome of the conflict in question. My slight deviation from the canon view of Revan is just another part of said outcome.

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they never took their companions with them.
That doesn't mean they wouldn't follow the two into the Unknown Regions.


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One thing I will be interested in learning is what Revan's goal in the Unknown Regions actually happened to be.
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