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Old 10-22-2008, 08:13 AM   #1
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Revan, the Republic, The True Sith, and KotOR III.

The main reason people wanted K3 was to find out what happened to Revan, the Exile, their crews, and who the hell the "True Sith" were. Well thanks to information on the new Ole Republic site these questions can finally be answered.

The Fate of Revan

On the TOR site in the faq their resides a question:

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How does Star Wars: The Old Republic relate to Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic?
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Star Wars: The Old Republic takes place approximately three hundred years after the events of Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (KOTOR). At the conclusion of the Jedi Civil War in KOTOR, Revan disappeared into unknown space in search of a great threat to the Republic, an expanding Sith Empire led by a mysterious Emperor who planned vengeance for his ancient Jedi enemies. Revan never returned from unknown space, but the Sith Empire did, kicking off a war with the Republic that lasted for decades. Now, despite the uneasy truce created by the Treaty of Coruscant, the tension among the divided star systems is threatening to once again tear the galaxy apart.
A single phrase stands out above all the rest:

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Revan never returned from unknown space...
And in the Wookipedia article for Nihilus there is another sentance:

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The initial plot written by Obsidian Entertainment stated that Nihilus' mask was made out of Revan's skull, but the developers removed the idea from the game to leave the fate of the character open.
BioWare says Revan never returned, and OE wanted to use his skull.
Glean from it what you will.


The Republic



And what of the Republic how have they fared?

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For more than twenty thousand years, the Galactic Republic has been the most civilized and advanced power in the known galaxy. Governed by the Galactic Senate with representatives from hundreds of star systems and planets, the Republic has been the center of peace and progress, a bright beacon in the darkness of outer space.

The revered Jedi Order has sworn itself to defend the Republic, to battle the darkness, and to bring peace and balance to the greater galaxy. The Jedi have served for millennia in this capacity, and in that time they have earned themselves the admiration of their allies, and the hatred of their enemies.

Less than a century ago, the greatest of those enemies returned…

The onslaught of the Sith Empire caught the Republic and the Jedi completely by surprise, and during a long and arduous war, the Republic was broken. After the capital planet of Coruscant was ravaged by the Sith’s Imperial forces, the Supreme Chancellor and the Senate were forced to sign the painful Treaty of Coruscant, which required the Republic to withdraw its support of several long-standing allies, including the ever-loyal Bothans.

Struggling with a wave of withdrawing star systems, an insurmountable supply crisis, and chaos on the streets of Coruscant, the Senate has become paralyzed in the years since the treaty.

The bitter and divided nobility of the Core Worlds disputes every decision, damaging the morale of the Republic’s already discouraged citizens. Blaming the Jedi for the failures that led to Imperial domination, the Senate has distanced itself from the Republic’s legendary guardians.

The Jedi remain committed to protecting the Republic, but the Jedi Council has moved from Coruscant to the ancient Jedi homeworld of Tython.

The Republic has trained up new squads of Special Forces, disciplined teams capable of working together with near-perfect efficiency. These elite troopers still work often in conjunction with the Jedi, but in many places, the troopers have taken the prominent role in providing the Republic’s defense.

Despite a post-war economic depression and the continued expansion of its enemies, the spirit of the Republic remains independent, brave, and strong. New leaders are stepping forward even now to stand against the dark Sith Empire, liberate the galaxy, and restore the Republic to its former glory.
And this line

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Less than a century ago, the greatest of those enemies returned…
Oh btw, this game takes place 300 years after K1/K2.

Glean again...



Not as much is there to say about the Republic, but the Sith are another story.

(oh, and for those of you{like me}who figured that Bioware was gonna dumb down who the True Sith were from followers of an Ideal to people wanting revenge. Well we were right.)

The True Sith



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The true origins of the Sith remain shrouded in mystery. The Sith race was, in fact, largely unimportant until three thousand years ago, when Dark Jedi exiles arrived on Korriban and subjugated the Sith beneath their rule and their philosophy.

As the years passed, the Dark Jedi intermarried with those they ruled, and within generations, the word “Sith” took on new meaning. This powerful new civilization began expanding rapidly, led by a growing population of ambitious dark Force-users. Fifteen hundred years ago, the Sith civilization’s boundaries reached the Republic, and the Great Hyperspace War began.

Dark Lord of the Sith Naga Sadow led his armies in an aggressive campaign to destroy the Galactic Republic. Though the Sith were successful at first, the Jedi Order rallied back to defeat their dark counterparts, systematically destroying the Sith civilization on Korriban.

Unbeknownst to the Jedi however, the last Emperor of the Sith managed to escape the carnage and fled into Deep Space with his most trusted Dark Lords.

These surviving Sith began rebuilding their society on a distant planet, hoping to one-day return for revenge.

Over the course of the next thousand years, the Sith Empire recovered its strength. The Emperor developed a massive Imperial military, a fleet of advanced warships, and undertook dark rituals which prolonged his life and his undisputed rule.

When the time for vengeance arrived, the Sith began infiltrating star systems in the Outer Rim, sowing seeds of discord and making secret deals with local criminals and warlords. With all the pieces perfectly in place, the Sith launched an enormous offensive which caught the Jedi completely off-guard. In the first wave alone, the Sith succeeded in seizing control of several star systems in the Outer Rim, destroying the Republic’s shipyards in the Sluis sector, and strangling the popular Rimma Trade Route.

After the initial crush, the Emperor’s brilliant strategies continued and the brutal force of the Imperial military slammed the Republic time and time again, from the deep sinkholes of Utapau to the tall forests of Agamar. Though it seemed the Empire was capable of waging war indefinitely, the Emperor surprised the Republic yet again.

While the Emperor’s Dark Council engaged Republic leaders in peace talks, several Sith Lords and an elite Imperial army sacked the Republic’s capital planet.

Destroying the Jedi Temple and holding the planet hostage, the Sith left Republic leaders no choice but to surrender several outlying star systems by signing the Treaty of Coruscant.

Since the treaty, the Emperor has withdrawn to pursue his own mysterious goals, deferring control to the Dark Council, and setting the stage for a brutal power struggle. In the political vacuum, the strongest and most cunning Sith and Imperial leaders are rising up to assume authority, consolidate the Empire’s dominion and crush its enemies.
Well it looks like they are a species after all...




The Fate of Knights of the old Republic III



Ok following this sentance are reasons why we will probably NEVER see a true K3:

1:
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Revan never returned from unknown space...
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Star Wars: The Old Republic takes place approximately three hundred years after the events of KOTOR.
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Less than a century ago, the greatest of those enemies returned…
So right there two of the biggest reasons for making a K3 are shot down.

1: People wanted to know what happened to Revan.
2: People wanted to be able to join Revan & the Exile in stopping the True Sith.

and:

1: The True Sith didn't attack the Republic in the lifetime of either of the two games protagonists.
2: Revan never returned

So what is their to make a k3 about?
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Old 10-22-2008, 08:36 AM   #2
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I think that we all know by now that K3 is not going to be made. I came to that realization last night, and I'd rather not be reminded of it.


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Old 10-22-2008, 08:47 AM   #3
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Well, I'm probably going to get lynched for saying this, but--

I don't mind that there's probably not going to be a K3.

The thing about SPRPG's for me is that after three or four playthroughs, I know every side-quest, every swoop racetrack, every line of dialog, every backstory, the best lightsaber combinations, etc. For me, an MMO has much more lasting value--and I've gotten to like interacting with people on MMO's.

When it comes out, I hope to see some of you there.


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T'katlu: On the planet Felucia, a young apprentice of the Dark Side thinks back to the beginning of her training as she lies in wait for her prey...

All the Time: After four years in the Unknown Regions, the Exile returns to the known galaxy to visit an old enemy.

Broken: A master of the Dark Side finds himself about to lose the one thing he cares about--and he will do anything to stop her from endangering herself.
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Old 10-22-2008, 08:53 AM   #4
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You know that this means NO MODS, right?


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Old 10-22-2008, 08:55 AM   #5
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I don't care about the game at all. The story was what I wanted to know.

This "old Republic" was a deathblow to the first two games. It meant that everything in them amounted to nothing and the cliffhanger we have been waiting so long to know... it is never resolved. If they want me to buy the game, it MUST be KOTOR III.

SPRPG, MMO... doesn't matter as long as it concludes the first two games PROPERLY. This is worse than when the game was in limbo.
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Old 10-22-2008, 09:08 AM   #6
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You know that this means NO MODS, right?
Yes, I know. The one downside of mods (except for conversion mods aka The Jedi Masters and Revenge of Revan) is that I have to play through the game again to see them! Admittedly, though, it's a lot of fun walking around wearing Revan's robes and watching Mission and Canderous follow me with lightsabers in their hands. That's the nice thing about games like Galaxies. There's always another place you haven't been. I'm hoping that this game will have that quality as well.


Chapter 12 of A Soul Adrift is out.

Short stories:
T'katlu: On the planet Felucia, a young apprentice of the Dark Side thinks back to the beginning of her training as she lies in wait for her prey...

All the Time: After four years in the Unknown Regions, the Exile returns to the known galaxy to visit an old enemy.

Broken: A master of the Dark Side finds himself about to lose the one thing he cares about--and he will do anything to stop her from endangering herself.
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Old 10-22-2008, 09:52 AM   #7
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I would have always loved a KotOR 3 and still would like one but I have a very deep feeling this MMO is going to be pretty damn good... I know longer care of the Jedi from begining situation its just too messy to get into same with other conflicts. And another reason I wanted K3 was I really wanted to play as Revan and teh Exile again or something. But we all know that Jedi can live very very long (I am not talking about Yoda) so who knows maybe one of them is still alive. And I will always always always refuse to believe that Revan or teh Exile died unless they had to/chose to for the sake of the Galaxy. But hey this doesnt mean K3 wont happen... though it is more unlikely... even though it will be like watching Episode 6 than going from 1-5


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Old 10-22-2008, 10:56 AM   #8
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I don't care about the game at all. The story was what I wanted to know.

This "old Republic" was a deathblow to the first two games. It meant that everything in them amounted to nothing and the cliffhanger we have been waiting so long to know...
I don't understand what you mean. Of course everything in them "amounted to nothing" - they have to die sometime, and the Republic still existed 4,000 years later. They're no more special than the main characters of any other part of the Star Wars timeline.


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I don't understand what you mean. Of course everything in them "amounted to nothing" - they have to die sometime, and the Republic still existed 4,000 years later. They're no more special than the main characters of any other part of the Star Wars timeline.
The cliffhanger at the end of TSL left the idea that the Exile and Revan were going to fight the true sith, but this MMO now says they failed and the conflict was never resolved. This MMO is worse than when the cliffhanger was left in limbo because the canical version now is carved in stone that the true sith ultimately won at the end of those games.

This MMO should have been a continuation of KOTOR, or completely separated from that series.
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Old 10-22-2008, 11:28 AM   #10
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The cliffhanger at the end of TSL left the idea that the Exile and Revan were going to fight the true sith, but this MMO now says they failed and the conflict was never resolved. This MMO is worse than when the cliffhanger was left in limbo because the canical version now is carved in stone that the true sith ultimately won at the end of those games.
In other words, you condemn originality in a storyline, and you condemn it doubly so if it conflicts with your personal fan fiction-dominated view of the timeline.


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I have never been interested at all in playing as any form of Sith, tho i realize many may, I have always felt the true focus of the Star Wars universe is the redeeming quality of the Jedi and their battle against the evil that lies within us all. I have no interest supporting that evil in any form. I think this new MMO will allow us to continue this battle and I see them working hard to extend the range we will have to experience this struggle.


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well i have high hopes to for this new mmo but that dosen't mean i don't care that they are not going to make kotor 3 i waited years hoping and beliving they would release kotor 3 and it saddens me that it will not be done and this MMO has one bad thing in it 300 years after the original kotor don't get angry at me but it sounds lame but we can always hope


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Old 10-22-2008, 12:47 PM   #13
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LALALALALALA THIS ISN'T CANON LALALALALA

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Old 10-22-2008, 12:57 PM   #14
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I'm with Addy on this one. -_- I think this is such a lame continuation of the story that I'll probably end up writing my own, just to stick it to LA.

... I'll still probably end up giving the trial a try, though, if only to confirm my suspicions of its impending lameness.
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Old 10-22-2008, 01:00 PM   #15
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>1: People wanted to know what happened to Revan.

And we still can learn what happened to Revan. C'mon, he went to Unknown Regions, not died. We still have two hundred years for Revan and Exile's adventures in Unknown Regions. And I don't care, if it's a game by LucasArse or a mod like Jedi Masters or Revange of Revan. It will be my personal canon : )

>2: People wanted to be able to join Revan & the Exile in stopping the True Sith.

As I said above, we still can join them in Unknown Regions and stop True Sith for two hundred years...
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Old 10-22-2008, 01:12 PM   #16
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No, we really can't. This kind of sum-up is the typical Lucasarts style of closing the book on an era. K3 is dead.

And I refuse to accept it.



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Well actually LA and BioWare kinda view this as K3:

http://www.massively.com/2008/10/21/...place-kotor-3/
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Old 10-22-2008, 01:32 PM   #18
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No, sorry, I'll never accept this as KotOR III. Ever. Sorry, I'm stubborn like that.
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Old 10-22-2008, 01:56 PM   #19
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K3 was never alive, obsidian made sure of that.

I love KotOR I, and I'm gonna try this thing if it kills me hehe, at least bioware have managed to destroy the notion that the True Sith are a geographically different race lol.

up the GAOTS!!
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Old 10-22-2008, 02:06 PM   #20
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But they are...

The True Sith are the remants of the Sith species which was thought to have been destroyed.
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yea I know, check the years of True Sith threads Pikmin. Some (Myself included) always thought the True Sith (If they existed) could only be remnants of the ancient Sith Species who were documented in the Golden age of the Sith comics, bred with dark Jedi Etc... We were right. Whereas some people (Including some unofficial musings from Obsidian) believed the True Sith to be an Uber, secret geographically different group to said Sith... They be Wrong
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Where is the source for the thing about Revan's skull?
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Nihilus' wookiepedia profile.
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Actually, I just checked that and apparently it isn't sourced on Wookieepedia. I'll see if I can bring it up on the talk page over there.
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These surviving Sith began rebuilding their society on a distant planet, hoping to one-day return for revenge.

Over the course of the next thousand years, the Sith Empire recovered its strength.
Who keeps a grudge for 1000 years? Nothing better to do?


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K3 was never alive, obsidian made sure of that.

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Yup, Chris Avellone sent Revan and The Exile to their doom.
We know the Sith eventually come back so there was no possible way for them to succeed.
It's time to put KOTOR on the funeral pyre and pay your last respects.
Hopefully they went out in a blaze of glory.

What sucks is they could of still made it K3(MMO). Say instead of 300yrs after K1, you make it shortly after the events of K2. 10-20 yrs, long enough so that the Jedi order is all ready rebuilt.
Revan and The Exile come back with their tails between their legs realizing they've been outmatched but at least learning enough about the True Sith to combat them.
Now they have to raise an army. You wouldn't play as them but they would be the Generals you would serve under(Lightside players).

So when is The Unknown Regions going to be closed down? Kind of irrelevant now.


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I'm really actually delighted about this - the thing I hoped for more than anything else was a closed book. KotoR should never have had a sequel anyway.
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Old 10-22-2008, 10:17 PM   #29
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Well, they've shown a lack of creativity by selecting the weakest of many possible connects to the "true Sith": that they are Ludo Kresh's Sith that fled from Korriban and Ziost after the great Hyperspace War in 5,000 BBY. This was the most obvious connection, but it was also the weakest.

My latest theory was the idea that these "true Sith" were indeed of the Sith species, but not the watered-down, half-humanoid ones from the Great hyperspace War. My theory drew upon the observation that Sith king Adas and his forces had the technology (most likely from the Rakatan) to relocate themselves from Korriban to Ziost and conquer other worlds circa 28,000 BBY, having been a primitive species previously; and that the Sith that the Exiles encountered on these worlds in 6,900 BBY were primitive once again. My theory stated that there was a division among the Sith species; that those who embraced the Rakatan technology fled to build their empire in the Unknown Regions, leaving behind the "weak" Sith who could not adapt. The latter Sith were the ones encountered and conquered by the Dark Jedi, and the former are the "true Sith," waiting in secret to strike not at the Jedi or the Republic -- because they have nothing against them -- but the successors of the "weak" Sith of Korriban, with the audacity to build an empire themselves and attempt galactic domination (Revan's Sith Empire).

This was my latest and most favorable theory, and one I believe to be quite interesting. Past theories of mine include these people being an offshoot of the Legions of Lettow from the First Great Schism, as well as other theories that I can't seem to recall at the moment.

The idea that the "true Sith" are those that fled known space at the end of the Great Hyperspace War is the most obvious conclusion, but also the least interesting, in my opinion. It is a shame that LucasArt (or Obsidian or whoever came up with the story for The Old Republic) decided to take the easy way out and "dumb down" these mysterious people, as someone else here said.

Not only that, but my theory answered the question as to why the Sith species were able to travel to other planets but were a primitive, tribal people at the time of the arrival of the Exiles. What has been established by these new writers leaves the problem unsolved.

Very disappointed. Still, if it turns out to be good, I'll forgive them.

One thing that did pike my curiosity, though, is that the Jedi have relocated themselves to Tython, their birthplace. That sounds interesting. (Though I hope that what ever temple they have established there is some sort of bubble society complete with artificial sun energy, since Tython was established to have been a world encased in ineffably-present clouds in Darth Bane: Rule of Two. Life cannot exist without the sun.)

It also just occurred to me that this game may have been the mysterious "upcoming source" for the ancient Jedi Forge ceremony before the advent of lightsabers, mentioned in The New Essential Chronology. Since the Jedi have now returned to Tython, perhaps they are finding out new and interesting things regarding their long-forgotten origins?


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The fact that there will be no true KOTOR 3 disappoints me quite a bit. Revan's fate disappoints as well. Not seeing the characters we know again kills the joy of any sequel for me. I want to know what happened to Carth, Bastila, Atton, Canderous, et all. While they're still alive. That the end of the story happens long after all these people have died? It's not K3. We get no real ending, imo. It would be like ending the original trilogy at ESB and having ROTJ happen 300 years later, only to tell you Luke died. What? You made me care about what happened to these people only to say "screw them" and start over?
I reject this canon and substitute my own! Revan Lives! ^^

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Old 10-22-2008, 11:23 PM   #31
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the relative certainty of "Revan and the Exile got themselves uber-pwnt and we're not telling how" is making me mad...if they failed (which seems certain), I'd at least like to see how!
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How many times can a single Sith Lord surviving the otherwise complete annihilation of the Sith after some great battle and going on to rebuild the order from scratch remain interesting? Doesn't it get a little old after a while? It happened with "the unknown Darth" at the destruction of the Sith Triumvirate, it happened to Darth Bane, and it sport of happened to Darth Krayt (though he did not actually become a Sith until well after their destruction). And now it's being revealed to have happened after the Great Hyperspace War? Can you think of something different, please?

Here's what you guys at LucasArts and obsidian need to do: scrap everything you've done so far, visit these forums, listen to Zerimar Nyliram's story ideas and use them (you have my permission to do so), and start completely over again, making this a regular RPG sequel.


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Old 10-23-2008, 12:41 AM   #33
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This is the end of this epic journey for me!

I was hopping this never becomes true, but they are making a MMORPG as K3 unfortunately. I am mostly disappointed of this news because of my hate of MMORPG’s because of my experience with two of them. I can’t get myself to pay to buy a game and to pay a subscription to play it. Plus in my town, the internet cost hell to play online game at a descent speed on it. Even worst, in those MMORPG I played, when you make an action there’s no going back, you scraped your player or your quest, then you will have to run on your knees in a field of broken glass to correct your mistake (if the game in question let you this option). Life is already a question of choice, good or bad decisions that stress you all day long, so when I get home, alone, unhappy with my life, I like to play someone who can rule the world or save it without having to use my brain to much, because having fun is suppose to be easy sometimes.

So for all those sad points, Lucas Art can keep this probably too awesome story for themselves.


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Old 10-23-2008, 01:44 AM   #34
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Horrible idea...Mabye...

I admire the fans that think this idea will work, and are saying it will be "a damn good game." The fact of the matter is that for any fan of this game(During the current financial crisis), an MMO is a pathedic, desprate, shallow, and obviously greedy direction for Lucas to take. It HAS to be an AMAZING game for them to restore the HUGE amount of fans they will have lost. It won't matter if its just a "good" game or not. Galaxies was a "good" game and got wasted. Not only have they just given the finger to any current Galaxies player, but also any current SPRPG KotOr 3 players aswell. The facts that..
-LA has laid off TONS of employees.
-Star Wars: The Clone Wars animated movie was an undeniable failure.
-They are making a spin-off series to a movie which is an undeniable failure.
-The Force Unleash was over-hyped, and is a C Grade game.
-Starwas Galaxies...Enough said.
Lucas is failing left and right, and now the ONLY reason ANYONE would contemplate playing this upcomming MMO is: Bioware.
LA is bringing in the Dream Team rpg developers. That is the ONLY saving grace for The Old Republic, and in all honesty, may turn it into the AMAZING game that it needs to be.


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How many times can a single Sith Lord surviving the otherwise complete annihilation of the Sith after some great battle and going on to rebuild the order from scratch remain interesting? Doesn't it get a little old after a while? It happened with "the unknown Darth" at the destruction of the Sith Triumvirate
Ah, but this clears that bit up at least. There is no unknown Darth. Revan's Sith died with the Triumvirate on Malachor V. The Sith Order to which Sidious and Bane belong would almost certainly be formed from the True Sith empire that's come into the spotlight in TOR. At least that's wrapped up in a neat package, even if most everything else still isn't.

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Not only have they just given the finger to any current Galaxies player...
What did they do to SWG now? lol
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You seriously think your story ideas are to par with a professional writer's, Zerimar?
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You seriously think your story ideas are to par with a professional writer's, Zerimar?
how many professional writer's manage to write utter crap? just think of any movie, game, or book you've ever hated and you'll know a few.

when it comes to anything involving creativity, being "professional" doesn't mean jack...
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Fan Fiction tends to be even worse. Seriously, I'd take Darksaber over the average piece of Fanfic.
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Fan Fiction tends to be even worse. Seriously, I'd take Darksaber over the average piece of Fanfic.
Most is, yes. That doesn't prevent the pros from taking a nose-dive off a cliff though.
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I was hopping this never becomes true, but they are making a MMORPG as K3 unfortunately. I am mostly disappointed of this news because of my hate of MMORPG’s because of my experience with two of them. I can’t get myself to pay to buy a game and to pay a subscription to play it. Plus in my town, the internet cost hell to play online game at a descent speed on it. Even worst, in those MMORPG I played, when you make an action there’s no going back, you scraped your player or your quest, then you will have to run on your knees in a field of broken glass to correct your mistake (if the game in question let you this option). Life is already a question of choice, good or bad decisions that stress you all day long, so when I get home, alone, unhappy with my life, I like to play someone who can rule the world or save it without having to use my brain to much, because having fun is suppose to be easy sometimes.

So for all those sad points, Lucas Art can keep this probably too awesome story for themselves.
Yes, here too, internet costs hell to have mmos played at descent speed. Nad again, for me it is imposible to play this game, waving with lightsaber or with laser beam gun whatever and not to think of Reven, Exile and the rest of the crew. It seams for all of us, we are intentionaly left out of all this, again I cannot play mmos cuzz of technological issues,and mmos simply cost toooo much to play arround here, on the end I do not think is possible at all because no such IP.
Somebody said it is too early to judge this game, ok, NO, I say better have it sacked before then to regret latter on.
Bottom line, this is NOT KOTOR 3, nor 4, nor 5, nor whatever, those producers can say anything they like, but they simply DO NOT understand what KOTOR realy is. Raven Exile combination was on the way to be bigger and better than millions of Dart Vaders, but no, LA&Bioware have deceided to destroy all that, took'em long enough though, damn them.
300 years, MY GOD. I donot wanna guess for another kotor sprpg possibility, tooo havy for me wright now, but those 300 years tell me that they wanted to erase any idea of kotor frenchize (as we know), kotor charcters, kotor set, ans start something else that they dare to resemblle with KOTOR 1, 2. Now that is transparent, lowdown.

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Well, they've shown a lack of creativity by selecting the weakest of many possible connects to the "true Sith": that they are Ludo Kresh's Sith that fled from Korriban and Ziost after the great Hyperspace War in 5,000 BBY. This was the most obvious connection, but it was also the weakest.

My latest theory was the idea that these "true Sith" were indeed of the Sith species, but not the watered-down, half-humanoid ones from the Great hyperspace War. My theory drew upon the observation that Sith king Adas and his forces had the technology (most likely from the Rakatan) to relocate themselves from Korriban to Ziost and conquer other worlds circa 28,000 BBY, having been a primitive species previously; and that the Sith that the Exiles encountered on these worlds in 6,900 BBY were primitive once again. My theory stated that there was a division among the Sith species; that those who embraced the Rakatan technology fled to build their empire in the Unknown Regions, leaving behind the "weak" Sith who could not adapt. The latter Sith were the ones encountered and conquered by the Dark Jedi, and the former are the "true Sith," waiting in secret to strike not at the Jedi or the Republic -- because they have nothing against them -- but the successors of the "weak" Sith of Korriban, with the audacity to build an empire themselves and attempt galactic domination (Revan's Sith Empire).

This was my latest and most favorable theory, and one I believe to be quite interesting. Past theories of mine include these people being an offshoot of the Legions of Lettow from the First Great Schism, as well as other theories that I can't seem to recall at the moment.

The idea that the "true Sith" are those that fled known space at the end of the Great Hyperspace War is the most obvious conclusion, but also the least interesting, in my opinion. It is a shame that LucasArt (or Obsidian or whoever came up with the story for The Old Republic) decided to take the easy way out and "dumb down" these mysterious people, as someone else here said.

Not only that, but my theory answered the question as to why the Sith species were able to travel to other planets but were a primitive, tribal people at the time of the arrival of the Exiles. What has been established by these new writers leaves the problem unsolved.

Very disappointed. Still, if it turns out to be good, I'll forgive them.

One thing that did pike my curiosity, though, is that the Jedi have relocated themselves to Tython, their birthplace. That sounds interesting. (Though I hope that what ever temple they have established there is some sort of bubble society complete with artificial sun energy, since Tython was established to have been a world encased in ineffably-present clouds in Darth Bane: Rule of Two. Life cannot exist without the sun.)

It also just occurred to me that this game may have been the mysterious "upcoming source" for the ancient Jedi Forge ceremony before the advent of lightsabers, mentioned in The New Essential Chronology. Since the Jedi have now returned to Tython, perhaps they are finding out new and interesting things regarding their long-forgotten origins?
Good theory, worth thinking about and it would answer many questions. Now, this Sith empire Bioware is talking about on swtor is more like hunting party gang going after the Jedi (here we go again) and Republic (ofcourse) against which Sith had a grudge for some 1000 years more or less, it realy doesn't ring any bells, at all, or is it just me. Now aboveall, the only individual who had knowledge about it got removed from the scope of the game, and we really know that HE holds the fundamentals of the game series, his story is essentially crucial for the game. Nope, people playing power (LA&Biware) think otherwise. God help us all.

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