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Old 11-12-2008, 07:05 PM   #41
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I sleep at night knowing that if our government tries to disarm our nukes to where we dont have any to deter others with
This is an argument of your own fabrication. No one is talking about complete disarmament...except you.

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And if people of opposite race start getting all whiny tha if you do anything against Obama you must be racist wah.
"Opposite race"?

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I mean we yes had slavery and junk in the past and now a black man can be president and they still want to whin after that.
Because electing a black president automatically means that racism is over?

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The world is an interesting wild thing that needs to be calmed, peaceful, and in line with each other. They need control and to be taught this. We save those who are oppressed, spread our ideals through diplomacy, and of course take care of our interests as do other countries. We are the ones who police the world. Oh that's right a large part of the current generation does not respect cops so why would they respect the world's police force (us).
And how would you feel if China decided that it was there job to police the world and spread their idea of "right and wrong" via mititary action, covert overthrowing of other forms of government, economic sanctions, etc? Shouldn't we have the right to govern ourselves as we see fit, even if other countries don't agree with our way of doing things? Shouldn't we have the right to appoint leaders of our choosing?

No one asked us to "police" the world. We took that on ourselves and we used some pretty nasty means to do so. That some countries resent us for that shouldn't be surprising, let alone difficult to understand.

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We are not the ones trying to make a conflict with Russia.
Indeed we are or are you conveniently ignoring the fact that we're the one's building a "missile defense system" in Poland?

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They are making conflict with the world or soon will.
Iraq anyone?

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So it seems to me they are bing the aggressive nation in this situation. You may say its because of our misile system pointed at them. It wouldn't be if they were trust worthy.
Their reaction to our aggressive action makes them untrustworthy. Got it.

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You may say but what if China had missiles pointed at us. Yes we'd have some pointed at us, but if they had missiles not pointed at us we'd simply see theirs as a defense in that it is not pointed at us.
Except that our reaction to North Korea and Iran indicate otherwise. You aren't terribly consistent.

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As for the world wrs. Its seems to me since you said probably avoidable with concern to our involvement that you feel we are not necessary in tha conflict.
Nope, only that if we hadn't backed Germany into a corner after WWI, WWII may have been avoided. Maybe Hitler would have risen to power anyway and nothing would have changed, but the circumstances would have been different.

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I'm just curious. What wars were we necessary to be involved in? Becaue it just sems to me you feel hat even with the most important wars you feel we are not needed.
Cerainly not any of the illegal conflicts that we've been involved in since WWII.

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I'm sayng there is a difference between my vid which was actual audio of Obama and yours that looked like something someone put together.
Again, all videos would be put together by someone. Unless of course they make themselves.

My video, which you still obviously haven't bothered to watch, is a clip from a movie. Since movies tend to be "put together" by movie crews, you've definitely got me on the "something someone put together" thing. Congratulations.

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Well I could only tell that part of it. Like I sai I'm half blind and have a hard time seeing. So well you can tell me what was on that vid if yo want.
No, it's much more entertaining watching you trying to discount the content based on what you guess it was about (without having actually watched it).

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You amuse me young one.
Do you frequently refer to people who are older than you as "young one"?

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It is not a failure.
I'm getting the impression that you don't respond to posts so much as pick out random words and then rant about something completely unrelated. I don't think it will be much longer until you go back on my ignore list.

Hint: the word "fail" was used in reference to your continued use of logical fallacies. I didn't mention Iraq anywhere in there.

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I was showing double standards and comparisons.
No you weren't.

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Neithe did they with the Bristal thing.
No one brought that up except you. Once again we find you rallying against an argument that no one made.
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Old 11-12-2008, 07:16 PM   #42
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was actually talking about my country, not yours.
Then please next time be more clear. If you were invaded the US if your an ally would most likely come to your aid. What country are you from?

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No, I can't, but i'm not American, so I wouldn't presume to speak for another countries citizens.
Good. Then please do not say stuff like I don't speak for all Americans. I know that. However, I do speak for conservatives, and Americans with core American beliefs that are of the patriotic type who value principals above policy. I say that because both Republicans and Democrates have become parties that do not represent your typical liberal and conservative. Democrates have become more socialistic. And the Republicans have become the blue dog democrates of the 1950's in their views. In short both parties have leaned left.

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Maybe the fact that America is pointing a missile shield at Russia isn't helping Russian sentiments.
Again that is due to the fact they have proven to be untrustworthy and evil. They would love to nuke us if we had none. They are up to no good when it comes to Georgia with the recent invasion and claming of Georgian soverign land as part of their own. They've also claimed an oil pipeline as their own. This is an important pipeline they can choke off and deny us and others of oil. More the reason why we should be drilling for oil and harvesting coal here at home. But Obama won't do that. Also, Russia has no one else to blame for the missiles and our distrust of them but themselves. The world doesn't like them too much. The evidence of this is the recent pulling them out of the world market. They'e isolated themselves in this manner.

So with all of this now is not even the time to weaken the missile shield. With their unpredictability it is necessary to have a defense against them. To let them know you will not conquest to the point you harm the west directly. Also Russia has nukes and it is good to have a defense in cases they were to be bold enough to fire them. And they won't as long as we have this defense because they knwo we'd kill them and they'd kill us at the same time if they got through the shield. Otherwise they'd be the only one who'd not exist.

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I already have 'teh evil, communistic UHC' and I quite like it.
Well apparently many Canadians don't. That's why many of them come down to America to recieve carre because they know they'll get it quicker than Canada's UHC. As an individual with PHC I'm satisfied with the PHC system of the US. Have you ever experienced PHC? When and where?

[QUOTE]I'm not calling anyone a liar, unlike you once did to me in a discussion over Universal Healthcare. I'm telling you that we've already discussed healthcare, and there's no need to discuss it here.[/QUOTE[

I didn't bring up socialism. But I did expand upon the thought when I responded to it. Topics can branch off. Brining up the past is gunny sacking. It was not my intent to cal you a liar. I simply was saying that by the fact you said something that was controdictory to from what I know of UHC based on my friends and read that it just seems like you were making controdictions to the facts. Never called you a liar. If I did I apologize. And my friends you were saying this is the same with UHC or something. Well hey I'm simply telling you what they said and I believe they are accurate in their description of Candadian UHHC since they live there.

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I believe your originally posted video is valid. I believe someone placed a misrepresentative title on it. A title that has nothing to do with the content of the video: Obama - Unilaterally Disarm America is a complete and utter fallacy, but some seem to buy into it without really listening to what the President-Elect actually said.
Actually if you do a search on youtube with the critera "Obama to disarm America" you'll find this vid along with others of it, but with different titles. So the actual audio is what is important. These are his words, voice, and comon sense can tell you all of this is disarmment of nukes planning, ICMBs, and other systems designed to protect us from missiles and nukes. Con sense would tell you Obama is disarming these defenses also the words do that too. So a title of one vid matters little when the content is what really matters. Nice try. Well not really.

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Wait, I must have been in a coma. When did we discover the hiding place of Saddam’s WMDs?
The WMD arguemtn was due to intel not just by us, but by other countries collaborating with us. Also inteligence agencies of us. If it was a failure of them it was of Clinton since he cut funding and such to our intel organizations along with the military becaus he din't like the military. And the WMD arguemtn was to get the UN to act because alone the fact that Saddam broke the cease fire agrement by kciking inspectors out the UN didnt want to support action against them on. So to get them to act we had to convince them it was appropriate to act. So in reality it doesn't matter if he had WMDs or not. He broke the agreement when he kicked inspectors out. War couldn've been avoided had he let them back in. But we did all short of war as a last resort. We warned 14 resolutions are essentually warnings. Sacntions are restrictions. And the only thing left was war. The UN didn't want to act due to they'd lose out on their Food for Oil deal where the food wasn't getting to Saddam's people any. It was going to feed Saddam's military while his people starved. The U.N. is to be a humanitarian organization. They obvously were not here. They chose to make a profit off getting oil from Saddam and lining their pockets at the expense of Saddma's starving people. They should've stoped their deal with him if they had any morality in this case.

And us invading would mean they would no lnger get oil from Saddam. So people want to say we did it for oil is untrue. Infact it was the U.N. that was getting oil. And still even today we are getting no oil from Iraq. The oil is theirs.

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You can keep Lieberman and we will keep Former Secretary of State, General Colin Luther Powell.
The former secrety of state didn't really mesh with the Bush administration and so since he was replaced he felt vengful and joined Obama out of vengence. So you keep him because he does mesh well with the Obama adgenda. Besides he has all the talking points down. He's an Obama talking head alright.

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As to the breakdown in the Senate - you do know there was an election recently. It is no longer a 49-49 breakdown. The Democrats now have a 55 to 40 seat margin with 3 still too close to call. Lieberman is still important, but not as important as he was been for the past two years.
It almost sounds like your saying the statement of I do know there is an election that happened like your sayng I'm stupid or not hearing current events. I assure you I'm very informed as you can see by my commentaries against the lot of you uninformed.

I consider value of congressmen based on past accomplishments, current accomplishments, character, ethics, princapls, and future plans. We don't know his future value Leiberman he will have. You seem to look at him as how much is he worth to the adgenda of the dems. I see that he should join the reps simply because they will treat him better and not get back at him like the th dems are for him supporting McCain. So it seems to me the dems are throwing Leibermen under the bus. So I say he should go to a party that would see him of value and value him as a person better and treat him with better respect thn the dems that are showing lack of character and ethics.

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And it is the President of the United States job to do everything in his/her power to only put soldiers in harm’s way as a last resort. They are our last line of defense not our first option. Having them march around the desert in a giant Easter egg hunt for WMDs was just stupid.
Again the first lne to look for WMDs was the U.N. inspectors, but Saddam wouldn't allow this. As I've explained we went through every single thing before we did the last resort of war. We warned, sanctionsed, and then war was the last resort. You can't get the first line U.N. inspectors to look for WMDs if they've been kicked out. So Soldiers have to come into do that as well as secure the country, rebuild, and do all to make the country self seficient for their citizens to control and defend. And we are soon to victory.

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But you sure buy into the 1940s to early 1960s Hollywood stereotype that Americans are the ones in the big white hats ridding in to save the day.
That's becaus they still are. Hollywood use to be less anit American back then. And I wouldn't say white hats. I'd say helmets, some white hats(medical aid), and caps (regular citizens giving to carity and donating to others freely).

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Did you watch the video you originally posted? Obama never said anything about unilaterally disarming America. That was merely the title someone that dislikes Obama made up. Obama said he would not spend money on military contracts that don’t work, he would cut unnecessary wasteful spending and he would talk to Russia about getting us off hair trigger. That does not mean he will remove the trigger altogether.
It means disarming America as in making us vulnerable to surface to surface missile attacks, nuke attacks, and cutting such spending that makes us more vulnerable on a national scale. Comon sense would tell you what it means. Words mean less than true meaning of what it means. Comon sene seems to be very much less in this world. Well it is there, but not used by many due to they wish to listen to anti war, far left, socialistic, anti American info.

[QUOTE]But that is not what the audio/video said. See above. [/QIUOTE]

I kow the video didn't say I came here for that reason. lol. Again look at my before this quote response. Heck man after my recent sist removal and cartilege removal I'm on tylonal with Codene and I can still easily rebut you all. lol. yes its a narcotic and I can still do this easily. lol.

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The only poll that matters.
Your point please. As I said we both have minds made up and are closed minded. What was your point to your link. Some espn poll. Tell the half blind man what that was about.


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Old 11-12-2008, 07:48 PM   #43
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Actually if you do a search on youtube with the critera "Obama to disarm America" you'll find this vid along with others of it, but with different titles. So the actual audio is what is important. These are his words, voice, and comon sense can tell you all of this is disarmment of nukes planning, ICMBs, and other systems designed to protect us from missiles and nukes. Con sense would tell you Obama is disarming these defenses also the words do that too. So a title of one vid matters little when the content is what really matters. Nice try. Well not really.
So you are saying don’t listen to what he actually said in the video, but listen to the what? I believe President-Elect Obama is very clear what he is saying and it says nothing of disarmament. As to the missile defense system that is suppose to “defend us.” He said he would not implement it until there is working technology. I fail to see how that is not a good solid conservative idea or does not make good financial sense.
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And us invading would mean they would no lnger get oil from Saddam. So people want to say we did it for oil is untrue. Infact it was the U.N. that was getting oil. And still even today we are getting no oil from Iraq. The oil is theirs.
What was that about.
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The former secrety of state didn't really mesh with the Bush administration
That happens when the administration ask someone honorable to go in front of the world population and lie.
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It almost sounds like your saying the statement of I do know there is an election that happened like your sayng I'm stupid or not hearing current events. I assure you I'm very informed as you can see by my commentaries against the lot of you uninformed.
You statement sounded like you were imply Lieberman was more important than he really is now that the Democrats have a clear majority.
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I consider value of congressmen based on past accomplishments, current accomplishments, character, ethics, princapls, and future plans. We don't know his future value Leiberman he will have. You seem to look at him as how much is he worth to the adgenda of the dems. I see that he should join the reps simply because they will treat him better and not get back at him like the th dems are for him supporting McCain. So it seems to me the dems are throwing Leibermen under the bus. So I say he should go to a party that would see him of value and value him as a person better and treat him with better respect thn the dems that are showing lack of character and ethics.
I know you are well informed, but I suggest you take another look at Senator Lieberman’s voting record before confirming him with Republican Sainthood.
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It means disarming America as in making us vulnerable to surface to surface missile attacks, nuke attacks, and cutting such spending that makes us more vulnerable on a national scale. Comon sense would tell you what it means. Words mean less than true meaning of what it means. Comon sene seems to be very much less in this world. Well it is there, but not used by many due to they wish to listen to anti war, far left, socialistic, anti American info.
Wow. So to be pro-America you have to build and pay for a Missile Defense System that does not work even under controlled conditions.

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I kow the video didn't say I came here for that reason. lol. Again look at my before this quote response.
So you just made it up what you wanted it to say. I understand now.


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Old 11-12-2008, 07:56 PM   #44
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As I really don't want to go through this entire discussion again, I'm going to address your last point:

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Your point please. As I said we both have minds made up and are closed minded. What was your point to your link. Some espn poll. Tell the half blind man what that was about.
I do believe that you've made an argument against mimartin's signature, which, generally, contains a joke. Lighten up, SD.
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I don't really know what anyone is supposed to discuss, obviously this is a proven tactic in diplomacy. This thread is nothing but paranoid delusions.


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Old 11-12-2008, 08:22 PM   #46
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I don't really know what anyone is supposed to discuss, obviously this is a proven tactic in diplomacy. This thread is nothing but paranoid delusions.
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This will be my last post on this topic. Guys I didn't make this topic for liberals, and other nationalities to post on. I made it to ask conservatives what they thought as to why Obama won't do it, or how we can prevent him from taking away the nukes.

I didn't ask for the rest of yours opinions. You seem to think I care or wanted your all's opinions. I know that talking to liberals and nationalities is like shooting a dead horse. They have their biased, left leaning sources and such. I'm not here for you.

And yawn. I could contineu to rebut your posts and cointinue to educate yo guys, but I'll just end by saying this topic was not meant for you and was meant only for conservatives and their voice I was wishing to har on the matter. It seems to me you giuys think everything is a debate thread. It was not intended to be that. Now I again could rebut your comments and info, but again I believe and will always believe what I believe no matter what period. I dind't come for a debate. I came for the conservatives opionon on the matter, not to debate liberals and other nationalities.

So since this is my topic I say taht is final. As you can see that's why there is no one really deating on such forums here anyway since there is no point anyway. I won't change you. And you don't change me. I'll believe no matter what and you wil too. So we are both closed minded and minds are made up. So end of topic.


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So we are both closed minded and minds are made up. So end of topic.
Since I am not closed minded, I really wish you would not imply that I am. I've actually had my mind changed on more that one issue during debates in this very forum by ET Warrior, El Sitherino, Achilles and that is not to mentioning the times my mind has been changed by those using asinine arguments to make their point. Of course, in those cases it just showed me how foolish my own arguments were. For another thing, I am not a liberal; I have tested and voted more than once as a conservative. On certain issues, I am liberal, but on other issues, I am conservative.


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On certain issues, I am liberal, but on other issues, I am conservative.
A Texan that voted for Obama. Your centrist cred is good here.
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Old 11-13-2008, 02:18 AM   #50
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This will be my last post on this topic. Guys I didn't make this topic for liberals, and other nationalities to post on. I made it to ask conservatives what they thought as to why Obama won't do it, or how we can prevent him from taking away the nukes.
Then one would suggest making a tpoic on a forum dedicated to Conservative American politics, as opposed to an international gaming forum.

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I didn't ask for the rest of yours opinions. You seem to think I care or wanted your all's opinions. I know that talking to liberals and nationalities is like shooting a dead horse. They have their biased, left leaning sources and such. I'm not here for you.
The fact you posted here says you wanted opinions. But you clearly only want opinions that agree with your own.

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And yawn. I could contineu to rebut your posts and cointinue to educate yo guys, but I'll just end by saying this topic was not meant for you and was meant only for conservatives and their voice I was wishing to har on the matter. It seems to me you giuys think everything is a debate thread.
You don't wish for discussion and debate in a debate and discussion forum?






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i come here for entertainment. watching people debate online, especially the ones that know everything their is to know about politics, even stuff that isn't revealed to the general public... it's freakin funny. just look at yourselves....

why can't everyone just be nice to instead of bashing each others views?


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This will be my last post on this topic. Guys I didn't make this topic for liberals, and other nationalities to post on. I made it to ask conservatives what they thought as to why Obama won't do it, or how we can prevent him from taking away the nukes.

I didn't ask for the rest of yours opinions. You seem to think I care or wanted your all's opinions.
I think you might consider not posting in this subforum if you wish to limit your responses in such a bigoted fashion in the future. If you post it here, all are welcome to comment.

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I know that talking to liberals and nationalities is like shooting a dead horse. They have their biased, left leaning sources and such. I'm not here for you.
It seems as though you have one or more preconceived notions of your own that you seek only that data or information that supports them.

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And yawn. I could contineu to rebut your posts and cointinue to educate yo guys,
Doubtful.

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So since this is my topic I say taht is final.
Good for you. The rest of us will feel free to discuss in your absence -if you don't mind, that is.


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