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Old 03-10-2009, 11:50 AM   #41
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I wouldn't say this makes me angry, more sort of bemused. What's the point? All I can say id if other people like fine, but I wont be buying it.

Regarding Colfer's name being more prominent than Adams', if it were the other way around then the publishers would be accused of trying to dupe people into thinking this was a new work by Douglas and trying to hide the fact that the author was someone else.


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Old 03-10-2009, 12:02 PM   #42
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Me and Gabez have already had a bit of a chat/argument about this. I'm on the side of 'angry Adams fan'. I don't think this book is necessary, and given the choice I would've much rather had another movie. Adams is just too unique to even attempt to copy.

Strangely enough, I don't have quite as much reservation for the third Dirk Gently radio series, which is pretty much doing the same thing. The difference is that Adams was working on Dirk Gently 3 for years, and there's a lot more written than was published in The Salmon of Doubt for Dirk Maggs to go on.

Let us also not forget that the only book so far based on an Adams work but not actually written by him is Starship Titanic by Terry Jones, which was awful, despite Jones usually being an excellent writer and Adams still being alive.

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Old 03-10-2009, 02:12 PM   #43
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I'm a big fan of the Dirk Gently-series. I don't really like how Dirk Maggs handled the end of the radio series (you know, the 'new' episodes), but I guess he didn't have a lot of choice on how to handle the situation. Dirk Gently is amazing though, I never was that big a fan of the book, but the radio series really added a lot to the world of Dirk Gently.

I wonder if the third series is ever going to happen though. Dirk Maggs won't be doing it, so unless someone else picks it up, it probably won't see the light of day. It's a shame, the third series was the one that was going to be the most interesting. A lot of rumours of a Hitchhikers-crossover (which was Douglas' own idea), of which the start was visible in the second series. A real shame. Here is my source: http://www.douglasadams.se/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14860

On the same forum (which is fairly accurate regarding Douglas Adams-info), there are some rumors of a sequel to the first Hitchhikers-movie being made as a DVD-movie, based on the radio version a bit more. There's even some concept art floating around. If this new book is a succes, I guess chances are we will start hearing more about it.

But yeah, book isn't needed. I'll skip it. New radio/television/cinema-stuff: Bring it on.
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Old 03-10-2009, 02:16 PM   #44
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Old 03-10-2009, 06:16 PM   #45
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I wonder if the third series is ever going to happen though. Dirk Maggs won't be doing it, so unless someone else picks it up, it probably won't see the light of day. It's a shame, the third series was the one that was going to be the most interesting. A lot of rumours of a Hitchhikers-crossover (which was Douglas' own idea), of which the start was visible in the second series. A real shame. Here is my source: http://www.douglasadams.se/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14860
I had no idea about Dirk Maggs leaving Above The Title, especially so abruptly. That is deeply shocking and a real shame.

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Old 03-11-2009, 09:01 AM   #46
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Wow.

This is the first I'm hearing of it. And I'm... a bit shocked. That's terrible. I don't want to read it, I really don't. I might... but I don't want to.

It'd be like someone other than Terry Pratchett writing a Discworld novel. Or even your Rowling analogy, if someone wrote another Harry Potter book. I can't believe someone had the nerve to do this.


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Old 03-11-2009, 12:53 PM   #47
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And nice of them to make Colfer's name cover half of the cover, but don't seem so worried to point out who created the series in the first place.
I find the situation far preferable to the other option, which would be to put Douglas Adams' name huge on the cover as if he had somehow written this book from beyond the grave. Far too often dead authors' names are carried on by ghostwriters, turned into a brand name. Good to see that they went the honest route here.

(Adams' name is right at the top of the cover, and is the first thing my eyes went to when I saw the image, so I disagree that they failed to credit him, too.)
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Old 03-11-2009, 01:12 PM   #48
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You guys are probably right. I was in a bit of a 'I can't believe they're really publishing this book'-state when I saw that cover, so I may have been a bit unfair in my judgement .
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Old 03-11-2009, 01:14 PM   #49
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Nah, I'm still in a state of shock about it. I'll read it, and I'm sure it'll be okay, but it won't be Adams.

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Old 03-11-2009, 01:14 PM   #50
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I really am amazed at the angry reaction to this. What's the big deal? Colfer won't be impersonating Adams; he has his own unique and distinctive style. Maybe it's because I'm already a big Colfer fan, but I think this is great news.

I don't see it like someone else writing the 8th Harry Potter book. It's more like Sebastian Faulks writing the new James Bond book, Devil May Care. Anyone can see that these are distinctive titles by separate authors.

And I do think it's important that Adams' widow is 100% behind this and chose Colfer to write the book.

Honestly, you people are reacting like Colfer has just suggested nipple-piercing in a nunnery!
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Old 03-11-2009, 01:26 PM   #51
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Hey. as long as they cover them up, it's fine. :P

We're angry because it's unnecessary and unwanted. Another Hitchhiker's Guide isn't "just another adventure" like James Bond, Conan etc. Adams was absolutely one of a kind and prepping this as a continuation of the series really irks me.

Now, if it was a spin-off, prequel, side-story or whatever, I honestly would have no problem with it.

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Old 03-11-2009, 01:34 PM   #52
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Okay, I see your point.

Maybe it's partly the fault of marketing? They think they'll sell more copies if they emphasise this as a the real end of the series, or something. I'm sure it won't read like a proper ending... its in the nature of the series to be always in development, always expanding. It's part six of three.

I don't like all the Colfer-hate, because he really is a brilliant and hilarious writer... and if Douglas Adam's widow said to you, "want to write a new Hitchiker's book?" would you say no?

Also, it's interesting how you say that this book is "unnecessary and unwanted" by the fans. I mean interesting in a genuine way. It reminds me of the anger of some fans when J.K. announced that Dumbledore was gay. A lot of them thought she was plum wrong. The question is, who owns the story? Who defines meaning? Is it the author, the reader, or the text itself? I personally think of texts having a life of their own, which is another reason why I'm not angry about this new book. It's like the series wants to be told some more, and its having to make with a new storyteller in order to do that.
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Old 03-11-2009, 01:56 PM   #53
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I'd argue that it's not a series that needs to do that, and that's the problem/brilliant thing about novels - they're not (usually) "licences" for companies to own and exploit. It's only when they get sold on to make movies and things that they become money-trees.

We're also not sure about the mechanics of this deal - did Penguin approach DA's widow (whose name I can't remember) with the possibility of making another book, or did she think of it and suggest Colfer? Did she suggest Colfer, or does her involvement equal her saying "ooh, he's a good choice" and nothing else? Some scenarios there are better than others.

I am against the Colfer-haters, though. At no point of this debacle is his writing at fault.

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If Douglas Adam's widow said to you, "want to write a new Hitchiker's book?" would you say no?
I have been thinking about this, and from the position I'm in now (struggling writer but one with absolutely zero chance of getting this offer) I wouldn't, because the fans don't really want it and I don't think I could do his legacy justice in this regard.

On the other hand, if the offer did genuinely land in my lap, would I say say no? Theoretically I'd like to say that I'd still say no, but in practice if it really happened... it depends if my desire to become a famous writer managed to overpower my morals.

However, what I wouldn't say no to is that third Dirk Gently series, or even finishing The Salmon of Doubt as a novel. There's enough of a start there to make an interesting challenge. I'd compare that one to being a substitute teacher - the kids have been taught a lot and the lesson plan's available, it'd just be my job to make the little buggers sit down and do the work.

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Old 03-11-2009, 02:20 PM   #54
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Yeah, like I said, I never read any Colfer, and I'm sure he can think of some decent jokes for the book, but that's not really what the problem is here. It's the fact that the series will be 'completed' by someone else, while it's such a personal series that could never have been written by anyone else in the first place. We'll see. I'm not sure yet, but I guess curiosity will get the better of me and I will check it out.

Maybe all this renewed interest in Douglas Adams will make Dirk Maggs come to his senses and finish what he started. That would be nice.
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Old 03-12-2009, 03:10 AM   #55
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The thing I'm actually most dubious of in this is Colfer, to be honest. A friend tried to get me to read Artemis Fowl, and I couldn't get more than half way through the first book before putting it down*. I have a surprising number of friends who have said he's a good YA author, though.

*(or if I did I don't remember any of it)
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Old 03-30-2009, 07:15 PM   #56
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They're dragging their feet releasing the last part of 'Last Chance to See', eh?

Having said that, I'm only just finishing off the last part of 'Beneath Monkey Island', so I can hardly hold that against them...


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Old 04-01-2009, 06:10 AM   #57
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I know! They're still claiming it's coming out March! Oh well, it's going to be a good one nevertheless. Dragons!

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Old 04-10-2009, 01:10 AM   #58
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It's up, Tingler, it's up!!


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Old 04-10-2009, 05:59 AM   #59
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About damn time! I'll try and get it done tonight.

UPDATE: Here you guys go: The Komodo Dragon!


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Old 06-01-2009, 07:32 AM   #60
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For those of you that are interested: Kim Fuller is going to adapt the last series of Dirk Maggs' Dirk Gently radio series. I have no idea who the guy is (I'll try to forget Spice World, for his sake), but I guess it's nice that the last series is going to be made, at least. It's still based on the last couple of word docs left on Douglas' pc after he died, so that alone will make it worth listening, I guess.

Source: http://www.thestage.co.uk/news/newss...ly-novel-to-be
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Old 06-01-2009, 08:49 AM   #61
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Oh god, no. Why did they start that press release with the words 'Spice World writer'? That's NOT a good thing! I'm moaning about Eoin Colfer doing the new Hitchhiker's book and he's a really good writer - congratulations Colfer, you are now off the hook. If the best thing they could come up on his CV was one of the worst major movies of all time, well then, I don't have much confidence.

EDIT: Looking him up, apparently he's written for Red Dwarf. He wrote what is probably the best episode of Series VII, Blue (the one with the singing Rimmer munchkins). I might let him off for Spice World, as a struggling writer he probably hoped it would get him a bit of recognition.

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Old 06-01-2009, 09:19 AM   #62
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Struggling? He'd written a lot of stuff before Spice World. And after it, he did all that S Club 7 crap. As IMDb puts it:

Two of the films he's written, Spice World (1997) and From Justin to Kelly (2003), have gone on to receive nominations at the Razzie Awards for Worst Picture, Worst Actress, Worst Screnplay (For Fuller himself) and Worst Screen Couple, (among others). Also, both films were nominated at the 25th Annual Razzie Awards for "Worst 'Musical' of Our First 25 Years".

Sounds like it'll be quality!
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Old 06-01-2009, 09:22 AM   #63
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That's his only movie though. He hasn't done that much, really. This will be his biggest. Let's just hope it's not his biggest mistake...

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Old 06-01-2009, 10:37 AM   #64
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Yeah, I share your concern, but I'm trying to remain positive. Spice World is a really long time ago, after all. His history isn't too promising, but yeah, we'll see. I think there's a fairly big chance the original cast will remain intact, which should count for something. I dunno, this doesn't annoy me as much as the Colfer-book. I'm still hoping Maggs will pop up as some sort of advisor, but I don't think that's very likely to happen. Oh well.
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Old 09-14-2009, 07:04 AM   #65
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Okay, Kakapo seems to have gone down. Scrrawk!

Re-uploaded now.

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Old 09-19-2009, 09:46 PM   #66
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Have people been watching 'Last Chance to See' over in the UK at the moment? Got to love Stephen Fry's efforts. I've managed to get my hands on the first two episodes, and it's good so far.


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Hello and greetings to everyone,
I'm new to this forum, I fell upon this post after days of searching the Last Chance to See radio show, which is very hard to find if you're not in the UK. I would gladly spend 500 Latvian dollars on this, but it is simply nowhere to be found.
I am very glad that I could find 6 out of 7 episodes here. I was just wondering if anyone, by any chance, still had the Komodo Dragon episode (The Tingler posted a Mediafire link two years ago but it no longer works). I know I'm a newcomer and of course I'm not requesting anything. I was just hoping someone still had this and could possibly lead me to it. I would be very grateful about this, I fell in love with that book, just like everything Douglas Adams wrote.

Thanks in advance,
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