NEW EXCITING THREAD OF REVAN JUST FOUND!

[Jedi Master Revan]

I just found something in my brain that is very very exciting and i cudn't wait to type it down and share it with you guys :P.
Here it goes: Jedi mind powers is the main source of information for this thread

Think about force sensitivity then, think about attachment, now think about how Yoda reacted to the deaths of so many jedi in episode three and Revan's reaction to the death of so many people during the Mandalorian wars before he desided to be Darth Revan.
Ok so this is my conclusion it will be more clear if you read the republic commando novels by Karen Travis. Revan is most likely still ALIVE, why do you ask?
well first of all Bastila knew Revan personaly, so his death would trigger a beacon within her, due to their extremely powerful force bonding and personal affection. Where ever they were,
However, there are cons to this idea, Revan and Yoda never knew the people as personally as Revan and Bastila felt for each other, when they felt a large ripple in the force due to mass slaughter.
The echo they felt in the force was due to a mass slaughter so how could Bastila sense Revan's death?
She would be able to sense it due to the forceful connection they had force wise and love wise.
However, you may argue that Revan and Bastila never felt the deaths of so many jedi on Dantooine, that's true to a certain point, infact Malak never killed all the jedi on Dantooine, he captured most of the jedi and brought them to the star forge, to fuel the start forge and to use them as healing stations for himself, he never let most of the jedi on Dantooine become on with the force, hence the fact Revan and Bastila never felt their deaths or apparent deaths in the force, there just were enough jedi dieing and becoming one with the froce for anyone so far away to feel it, unless they had a powerful connection, love, to one of the members on Dantooine at the time of the attack.
So in theory if Bastila never felt Revan's death in K.O.T.O.R 2, then how could Revan be death? and i doubt anyone has the tech to replicate what the star forge did to Malak's captured jedi.

Am i right? i will update if i get anything wrong.
I am so pleased with this new thread :P.

FOR K.O.T.O.R AND FOR REVAN

[mur'phon]

Why isn't there a "I hope Revan is dead just to piss off the fanboys" option?

[Emperor Devon]

reading these threads is making me like kotor less

[Astor]

I've really got no clue what you're going on about, but i'll try.

Ok so this is my conclusion it will be more clear if you read the republic commando novels by Karen Travis.

No.

Bastila knew Revan personaly, so his death would trigger a beacon within her, due to their extremely powerful force bonding and personal affection. Where ever they were,
However, there are cons to this idea, Revan and Yoda never knew the people as personally as Revan and Bastila felt for each other, when they felt a large ripple in the force due to mass slaughter.
The echo they felt in the force was due to a mass slaughter so how could Bastila sense Revan's death?

So in theory if Bastila never felt Revan's death in K.O.T.O.R 2, then how could Revan be death?

Because he died after, or because she can't feel him?

Originally Posted by ED

reading these threads is making me like kotor less

That boat sailed a while ago, I think.

[PastramiX]

I hope that there's a flashback in some future KotOR game that shows Revan being violently murdered. It would be nice to see BioWare destroying their own fanboy creation.

[EnderWiggin]

Originally Posted by Emperor Devon

reading these threads is making me like kotor less

agree.

_EW_

[Hayden Kered]

^Likewise, let's keep Revan's fate to the pros.

[Rabish Bini]

Originally Posted by PastramiX

I hope that there's a flashback in some future KotOR game that shows Revan being violently murdered. It would be nice to see BioWare destroying their own fanboy creation.

I'd buy the game just for that reason, stupid fanboys.

[Ztalker]

Originally Posted by Rabish Bini

I'd buy the game just for that reason, stupid fanboys.

AMEN.

Bioware deliberately set the story 300 years in the future to AVOID this. Revan is shrouded by mystery. Of course the new MMO will have side-quests and lore about him.
I will seriously learn to hack games when he is alive and a raid boss in the MMO. I will replace him with Austin Powers.

Leave the man alone. Fanboys destroyed him, imo.

[jonathan7]

Revan's dead, TPM is 4,000 years after TSL, Revan is dead; even Yoda couldn't live longer than 900.

[Zerimar Nyliram]

Originally Posted by Emperor Devon

reading these threads is making me like kotor less

Thank God I never read these threads, then.

[Hallucination]

1/10, practice your trolling more.

[Rev7]

He could be alive, though he is most likely dead. :/

Note: I voted prematurely.

[Fredi]

It has passed to much time for a human to live. He is dead my friend.

[mur'phon]

He shouldn't die violently, it'll just make him a martyr to his fans, rather let him die stupidly (like being smashed by a speeder in KotOR3).

[JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan]

jedi master revan:

what you have is a good theory but here is a countering possibility:
bastila could have probably not felt it if revan died because the force may have been shrouded in darkness, with the jedi civil war, rise of the triumvirate, etc.
(remember, in time of the prequels, it was increasingly hard for the jedi to see into the force (have visions of the future etc) because of the growing darkness in the force... remember yoda: "Dark, It becomes...")

i like revan, and i really wanted a k3 featuring revan and the gangs from k1 and k2, but with this new mmo being set 300 years after k1, there is very little possibility of revan still being alive.
i think the only way we'll see any canonization of what revan is through a novel or something set in the kotor era. (i think there actually is one coming)
we'll probably find out what happened to revan and the exile in the old republic mmo.

[Rev7]

Originally Posted by mur'phon

He shouldn't die violently, it'll just make him a martyr to his fans, rather let him die stupidly (like being smashed by a speeder in KotOR3).

Or dying of thirst

[jonathan7]

Originally Posted by mur'phon

He shouldn't die violently, it'll just make him a martyr to his fans, rather let him die stupidly (like being smashed by a speeder in KotOR3).

HK-47 Assassination

[Darth Avlectus]

Originally Posted by Jedi Master Revan

I just found something in my brain that is very very exciting and i cudn't wait to type it down and share it with you guys :P.
Here it goes: Jedi mind powers is the main source of information for this thread

Think about force sensitivity then, think about attachment, now think about how Yoda reacted to the deaths of so many jedi in episode three and Revan's reaction to the death of so many people during the Mandalorian wars before he desided to be Darth Revan.

Ok so this is my conclusion it will be more clear if you read the republic commando novels by Karen Travis. Revan is most likely still ALIVE, why do you ask?

well first of all Bastila knew Revan personaly, so his death would trigger a beacon within her, due to their extremely powerful force bonding and personal affection.

Okay.

Where ever they were,
However, there are cons to this idea, Revan and Yoda never knew the people as personally as Revan and Bastila felt for each other, when they felt a large ripple in the force due to mass slaughter.
The echo they felt in the force was due to a mass slaughter so how could Bastila sense Revan's death?
She would be able to sense it due to the forceful connection they had force wise and love wise.

Yes. And?

However, you may argue that Revan and Bastila never felt the deaths of so many jedi on Dantooine, that's true to a certain point, infact Malak never killed all the jedi on Dantooine, he captured most of the jedi and brought them to the star forge, to fuel the start forge and to use them as healing stations for himself, he never let most of the jedi on Dantooine become on with the force, hence the fact Revan and Bastila never felt their deaths or apparent deaths in the force, there just were enough jedi dieing and becoming one with the froce for anyone so far away to feel it, unless they had a powerful connection, love, to one of the members on Dantooine at the time of the attack.

There are a lot of unknowns.

Wise to consider distance and revan's incapacitated state upon the leviathan.

Many jedi were probably captured and not killed.

So in order to go with what you claim, I'd have to assume revan never felt all those deaths due to the fact his past identity was erased, then shortly after the attack on dantooine his old life was put back into his mind--if only in fragments. Basty? I dunno.

While I guess this works (never thought about it before you brought it up), I cannot be sure.

So in theory if Bastila never felt Revan's death in K.O.T.O.R 2, then how could Revan be death? and i doubt anyone has the tech to replicate what the star forge did to Malak's captured jedi.

Am i right? i will update if i get anything wrong.
I am so pleased with this new thread :P.

FOR K.O.T.O.R AND FOR REVAN

Don' break your arm with all that patting.

OK, first off, though I am not an english major..... PUNCTUATION! Please???
I had a kind of hard time due to so many run-on sentences...

Secondly I do not think you have thought it through completely.

Are you saying revan--and possibly the exile were captured?
I suppose it *could* be.

Now that we have had our first look into TOR (reference to featured "first look" article in PC gamer last month), we know there is some 1000+ year old emperor of the true sith. TOR takes place 300 years later, long after Revan and the Exile would have long since died through the natural course of their lives.

Also, it is hinted at that this emperor turned revan and malak to the dark side. Then they were headed back to the known regions of the galaxy. There was one incident during which trip where Revan and Malak turned on each other. Presumably this is the incident where Malak's jaw was severed.

So a theory that Revan is still alive. Fine. Work on it a bit--maybe you could come up with a kotor 3 mod or something.

Honestly I think it best if we not know what happened to the exile or revan. We would need a third hero in any case.

(shrug)

EDIT: One last thing, maybe nobody had the technology that *we* know of. If you read "truce at bakura" by kathy tyers you will find that the Si'Ruuvi had some vile technology that was similar...or at least it sounded similar in that their ships used sentient life energy as a battery and they ran their ship with it. Though that took place starting a day after the end of ROTJ, but the technology sounds remarkably similar. I'm not at all sure the idea for the SF didn't come from this story.

[Steve-O Kreesh]

Revan is as dead as the Detroit Lions chances of winning one game.

[adamqd]

I dont want a future for Revan unless I'm playing it, and I dont require that really, Revan is a playable, customizable, plot device not a person in history that can have a career after kotOR, canonizing him or writing him into a story you have no say in kinda makes kotOR irrelevant. Revan is currently doing what I say he is doing, as I iz him, as are you.

[Arátoeldar]

Originally Posted by Astor_Kaine

No.

Agreed. I have read enough about Karen Travis to know that she hates the Jedi and has a hot passion for all things Mandalorian.

Originally Posted by Emperor Devon

reading these threads is making me like kotor less

Agreed I will also included the Mandalorian fanboys.

Originally Posted by mur'phon

He shouldn't die violently, it'll just make him a martyr to his fans, rather let him die stupidly (like being smashed by a speeder in KotOR3).

Agreed

Originally Posted by jonathan7

HK-47 Assassination

waffles

Originally Posted by adamqd

Revan is a playable, customizable, plot device not a person in history that can have a career after kotOR.

Agreed

[Revan.Ragnos.85]

I am a Revan fanboy, but come on. I want to find out what has become of him, but I am busy wondering about it in my own mind while hoping for a KOTOR3 someday.

[Non-false Jedi]

He likely was alive during KOTOR II but he's certainly dead now. And the True Sith probably killed him.

[Darca Lar]

If there was any possibility of Revan still living, his body would be unidentifiable from constantly using the force just to hold it together in my opinion.

[DeadYorick]

I have a question. Who really cares about whether or not Revan is dead or alive. I would rather wonder what the "True sith" are and what he is doing to prevent their coming from the Unknown Regions.

I have to agree. Hearing about Revan's apparent "fate" after the games just makes me like them less. It detracts from the wonder and mystery we all feel when we think about it

Also Kotor 3 is coming out already. As an MMO. It is up to Lucasarts if they want to make another single player RPG or just continue with this. But that is not the purpose of this thread. I apologize for detracting from the subject

Honestly in my opinion topics about Revan's history before and after the games are just there to please fanboys. It is much more satisfying to have Revan's history ambiguous. To keep a true roleplaying experience alive

[Revan.Ragnos.85]

Originally Posted by RakataDark

I have a question. Who really cares about whether or not Revan is dead or alive. I would rather wonder what the "True sith" are and what he is doing to prevent their coming from the Unknown Regions.

I have to agree. Hearing about Revan's apparent "fate" after the games just makes me like them less. It detracts from the wonder and mystery we all feel when we think about it

Also Kotor 3 is coming out already. As an MMO. It is up to Lucasarts if they want to make another single player RPG or just continue with this. But that is not the purpose of this thread. I apologize for detracting from the subject

Honestly in my opinion topics about Revan's history before and after the games are just there to please fanboys. It is much more satisfying to have Revan's history ambiguous. To keep a true roleplaying experience alive

As one of the fanboys you speak of, I hate threads about the history of Revan. They are essentially just garbage.

[Vaelastraz]

Tor takes place 300 years after the events of TSL. Revan, the Exile, etc..they are all dead. They better be... or do you really want to see TSL and Kotor's story line ruined by some MMO "storytelling"?

[Lord Foley]

Revan is one of the coolest characters ever. That's why he's dead- so it stays that way.

[Jedi Master Revan]

Ow i forgot to state guys that i am talking about Revan during K.O.T.O.R 2 and a few years after until K.O.T.O.R 3 will come out.

Astor Kain:
She would most certainly feel it, due to their force bond and personal connection, i haven't seen any link or info that could dissapprove of that, mind wiping or not.

Jonathan7:
Yoda never knew how to extend his life beyond his jedi yoda life span, only one jedi has lived longer than a thousands years and that jedi became a tree for almsot 5000 years ^^, although i can't fnd his name or remember it. Yoda was also prepared to die, as he foresaw that his contribution to the jedi and the galaxy had ended, and that it was time for luke skywalker to face destiny.

JesusIsGonnaOwnSatan:
bastila could have probably not felt it if revan died because the force may have been shrouded in darkness, with the jedi civil war, rise of the triumvirate, etc.
(remember, in time of the prequels, it was increasingly hard for the jedi to see into the force (have visions of the future etc) because of the growing darkness in the force... remember yoda: "Dark, It becomes...")

the darkness cannot shroud connections, you are talking of their powers to see the future and visions that were forced in anikin's mind from darth sidious, Yoda felt Mace Windu's death even before the mass slaughter and they had a strong connection with each other, and the sith were almost at the height of power during then, through sidious anyway, how would you explain that?

GTA:SWcity:
If the emperor turned Revan and Malak against the light and into the dark side, why didn't Malak foresee or even give any indicatin of any kind that he had an entire empire right behind him that could crush him at will, while he weakneded the republic, doing the dirty work, and the fact that he looked as if he didn't know about them or the emperor.
And thankyou for your compliments

I also agree that we may need a third hero e.g. Mandalore, Canderous in this case.


EDIT: One last thing, maybe nobody had the technology that *we* know of. If you read "truce at bakura" by kathy tyers you will find that the Si'Ruuvi had some vile technology that was similar...or at least it sounded similar in that their ships used sentient life energy as a battery and they ran their ship with it. Though that took place starting a day after the end of ROTJ, but the technology sounds remarkably similar. I'm not at all sure the idea for the SF didn't come from this story.[/B]

I think your talking about technology similar to the Yuuzhan Vong here.

And i haven't ahd the time to think it through completely the idea is under construction and i didn't even have the time to type that idea down, so sorry about the punctation, i hardly have time to finish this reply!

As for the lifespan of the exile and Revan, they could live beyond what you think their capable of, how do we know that the emperor isn't human? How do you think he preserved himself and why is he leaving a dark side council on Courasant.

[Xaris Vynn]

I hope it is not true,
Revan as the Sith Emperoror still alive ?
They say on the Official TOR site the emperor could use Force techniquies to extend his life.
Like I said I don't like the idea and hopefully is not where they are going with this!!
Just let Revan live a normal life span and die, it is bad enough they are doing this with the whole story line of Darth Krayt! Humans can only live so long, it does not matter how strong they are in the force!

[Blix]

Originally Posted by Steve-O Kreesh

Revan is as dead as the Detroit Lions chances of winning one game.

Ouch, and true none the less.

Originally Posted by Xaris Vynn

I hope it is not true,
Revan as the Sith Emperoror still alive ?
They say on the Official TOR site the emperor could use Force techniquies to extend his life.
Like I said I don't like the idea and hopefully is not where they are going with this!!
Just let Revan live a normal life span and die, it is bad enough they are doing this with the whole story line of Darth Krayt! Humans can only live so long, it does not matter how strong they are in the force!

I don't like it either. It's like TOR is making Sith/Jedi out to be like Wilhelm from Xenosaga.

[Jedi Master Revan]

Originally Posted by Xaris Vynn

I hope it is not true,
Revan as the Sith Emperoror still alive ?
They say on the Official TOR site the emperor could use Force techniquies to extend his life.
Like I said I don't like the idea and hopefully is not where they are going with this!!
Just let Revan live a normal life span and die, it is bad enough they are doing this with the whole story line of Darth Krayt! Humans can only live so long, it does not matter how strong they are in the force!

thats not possible the 'True Sith' emperor vanished during the hyperspace wars well when it ended, so Revan could not have been the emperor. How the thought of that force power is quite unimaginable and wasn't there a jedi on the front cover of a book healing a trooper who had a hole in his chest and was dead, perhaps she found the way? ( this book was set during the clone wars )If the emperor could find a way i am sure Revan and the Exile would be able to, maybe not the Exile, more like Revan due to his unique thirst for the knowledge of the force compared to the Exile.

[Darca Lar]

I don't think we'll see any old faces. It's a fresh start for the TOR timeline, so I'm sure theres all new people.

[SW01]

Originally Posted by Darca Lar

I don't think we'll see any old faces. It's a fresh start for the TOR timeline, so I'm sure theres all new people.

Well, some art seems to suggest that HK-47 will put in an appearance. I'm sure we'll have abundant references to the KotOR characters, though.

@Topic - Revan's dead, gone and done. And it'll probably be for the best. If this new Sith Emperor was to turn out to be Revan, it would be a major letdown - because it would involve BioWare reworking the released plot, and it would probably feel like a blatant attempt to bring KotOR fans into the fold - one which would drive me away. I'm looking forward to seeing how the Emperor character unfolds - having him be an established character would be disappointing.

The 'components' of KotOR and TSL (Revan, Exile, Ebon Hawk) should be left alone for TOR to be a worthy addition - if it would adhere to the overarching 'dark threat from the Unknown Regions' storyline, and maybe give a few references to the old characters, their actions, perhaps their fates (but not Revan/Exile), it may be alright.

[Jedi Master Revan]

SW01 please don't make me repeat it again even if it is a though, It is impossible for Revan to even be the sith emperor, he was either still training to be a Jedi at the time when the 'True Sith' emperor fled to the unknown regions, or he was still a kid waiting to be found, and the emperor that fled msut of had force training to be capable of sustaining his life and gather the remaining sith, i doubt that a liffle Revan could be the leader of the sith at that time and i doubt they would follow a seemingly harmless boy who has ot even taimed the force within him yet!
I think that HK-47 and T3-M4 will have a large part to play just like C3-P0 and R2-D2, also i get a hint that we might here Brianna the last of the handmaidens in it as she became a Jedi Librarian which i think was Atris's role as well.

As for Carth Onasi do you think he might have a part to play? i reckon when K.OT.O.R 3 actually does come out he might still be alive as i don't think it will be set more than a dozen years after K.O.T.O.R 2.

[Q]

Dude...

spoiler:

There will be no KotOR 3. Get it?

I know that reality sucks, but you're just going to have to fall back down to Earth and deal with it like the rest of us.

[SW01]

Originally Posted by SW01

If this new Sith Emperor was to turn out to be Revan, it would be a major letdown - because it would involve BioWare reworking the released plot, and it would probably feel like a blatant attempt to bring KotOR fans into the fold

Originally Posted by Jedi Master Revan

SW01 please don't make me repeat it again even if it is a though, It is impossible for Revan to even be the sith emperor, he was either still training to be a Jedi at the time when the 'True Sith' emperor fled to the unknown regions, or he was still a kid waiting to be found, and the emperor that fled msut of had force training to be capable of sustaining his life and gather the remaining sith, i doubt that a liffle Revan could be the leader of the sith at that time and i doubt they would follow a seemingly harmless boy who has ot even taimed the force within him yet!

Well, quite. The released plot states when the Emperor was about. That conflicts with Revan being alive. Not to mention it would make a nonense of the 'dark threat undercurrent of TSL. The point is that some seem to wish it, but it would be farcical.

On Brianna, Carth, et cetera - I believe their only 'appearance' will be in the form of a reference made to them by another character at some point, or perhaps brief cameo appearances in databanks or holocrons, as Bastila and Carth were in TSL. As for HK and T3, though the art for HK is there, surely he would have been seriously outclassed by the time of TOR's setting? Same with T3...

All the same, it would be nice for them to have a small role, seeing they are the only characters from the original that could reasonably still be alive.

And yes, as Qliveur said it must be emphasised that KotOR 3 as we all imagined it is not happening...

[The Doctor]

Originally Posted by Qliveur

Dude...

spoiler:

There will be no KotOR 3. Get it?

I know that reality sucks, but you're just going to have to fall back down to Earth and deal with it like the rest of us.

Quoted for both Truth and Great Justice.

[Darca Lar]

Originally Posted by SW01

Well, some art seems to suggest that HK-47 will put in an appearance. I'm sure we'll have abundant references to the KotOR characters, though.

@Topic - Revan's dead, gone and done. And it'll probably be for the best. If this new Sith Emperor was to turn out to be Revan, it would be a major letdown - because it would involve BioWare reworking the released plot, and it would probably feel like a blatant attempt to bring KotOR fans into the fold - one which would drive me away. I'm looking forward to seeing how the Emperor character unfolds - having him be an established character would be disappointing.

The 'components' of KotOR and TSL (Revan, Exile, Ebon Hawk) should be left alone for TOR to be a worthy addition - if it would adhere to the overarching 'dark threat from the Unknown Regions' storyline, and maybe give a few references to the old characters, their actions, perhaps their fates (but not Revan/Exile), it may be alright.

There's no doubt that the droids seems to outlive all other characters in Star Wars, and for an old assassin droid like HK-47 to survive so long without getting destroyed by the many new models being created over a span of 300 years would be simply amazing.