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Old 01-14-2009, 06:05 PM   #1
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Has anyone ever noticed this?

I don't mean to offend anyone by asking this question, have you seen all the Star Wars episodes or even know the entire plot? If you have which all of you should know, then let me share something with you:

After Old Republic ( time period episode 1 - 6 )
Knights Of The Old Republic ( time period anytime before the first episode )

notice the same plot lines!

A.O.R
3 main characters in the first 3 movies
Anakin Skywalker
Obi-Wan-Kenobi
Padme?

then another 3 main charaters in the next 3
Leia Organa - Leia Skywalker
Luke Skywalker
Han Solo

Sith Leader ( he was hiding at first! )
Darth Sidious

Powerful Platform!
Deathstar

Lovers are two of the main characters
Anakin Skywalker and Padma
Han Solo and Leia Organa aka. Skywalker

K.O.T.O.R

Revan
Bastila Shan
Carth Onasi

Sith Leader ( he was hiding at first as well! )
'True Sith' emperor

Powerful Platform
Star Forge

Lovers are two of the main characters
Revan
Bastila Shan

This is the foundation of every star wars major epic event, the sith in A.O.R almsot destroy jedi through planning and secrecy, the Sith are no different in the K.O.T.O.R version, however the Jedi in both of them find themselves regenerating in strength through the cunning and wisdom of ONE jedi, Luke Skywalker and Obi-Wan-Kenobi as he dents the Sith's plans to wipe out most of the jedi by killing the apprentice of Darth Sidious but i think it's just Luke Skywalker

My prediction for the outcome of K.O.T.O.R 3; Revan dies by killing the emperor as Anakin did against the Emperor, Bastila survives the war and becomes one of the wisest, and rebellion within the 'True Sith' empire and the Mandalorians
( they act as the Rebellion in the A.O.R ) wipe out the Sith menace and the Sith are reborn through rouge jedi; hint i never said all the Sith would be destroyed after the death of the emperor just nearly all of them and the order of the Sith would be reborn through the rouge jedi.
what do you think?



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Old 01-14-2009, 06:09 PM   #2
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This is why I don't play KotOR I anymore; BioWare lacks unique and original plots and dialogue.
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Old 01-14-2009, 06:14 PM   #3
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Sith Leader ( he was hiding at first as well! )
'True Sith' emperor
The True Sith are a creation of K2.


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Old 01-15-2009, 02:30 AM   #4
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In this day and age its hard to find something truly unique, so we do what we can by taking what we already have and tweaking it to the best of our ability so its still an enjoyable area to be explored until something new comes along.


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Old 01-15-2009, 09:06 AM   #5
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There's a fine line between Originality and it ceasing to be Star Wars, If you dont like Cloak and Dagger, recurring motifs and Childhood reminiscences, the Continuity aint for you... well, there is TSL and the NJO though


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Old 01-15-2009, 01:13 PM   #6
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Continuity aint for you... well, there is TSL
You obviously didn't play TSL properly then.
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Old 01-15-2009, 01:32 PM   #7
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Bioware deliberately did this:
Red=kotor
blue=movies

-Cyborg enemy Malak Vader
-Plottwist involving him Friends/identity Father
-Military power at large Sith Empire
-Military design: Star Destroyers, A-wing
-Droid humor: HK, T3 C3p0
-Uber power padawan Player (Revan) Luke
-Cocky princess Bastilla Leia
-Wookiee Zalbaar Chewie
-Bird-named ship Ebon Hawk Millennium Falcon

Shall I go on?

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Old 01-15-2009, 01:56 PM   #8
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Are we talking about the same Luke who was straining for five minutes just to pull his lightsaber out of some snow?


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Old 01-15-2009, 02:34 PM   #9
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You obviously didn't play TSL properly then.
So you think TSL is unoriginal and a lot like the Movies and didn't try doing it's own thing? if the answer is no, "You obviously didn't read my Post properly then.


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Old 01-15-2009, 03:00 PM   #10
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Yes, because the Star Wars movies are just as dialogue driven and character oriented as TSL was, for sure.

Fact of the matter is, TSL was an original idea, as far as Star Wars is concerned. Maybe not in the concept of the story, fine, but in the fact that the true nature of the story was unveiled through dialogue more than explosions and space battles.
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Old 01-15-2009, 03:35 PM   #11
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Just let it go, dudes. As long as you enjoy the game, what does it matter? If you find yourself not enjoying the game anymore after figuring out it's not as "original" as you wanted it to be, simply forget about it and move on.

P.S. Bioware obviously made the game similar to OT on purpose - not because they're unable to write something "original".

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Old 01-15-2009, 05:09 PM   #12
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Old 01-16-2009, 11:12 AM   #13
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Are we talking about the same Luke who was straining for five minutes just to pull his lightsaber out of some snow?
And the same Luke who, after two weeks of walking around with Yoda defeated the most powerful (potentially) Sith Lord(s) in the galaxy.
Yah. Same dude

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Old 01-16-2009, 06:55 PM   #14
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Just let it go, dudes. As long as you enjoy the game, what does it matter? If you find yourself not enjoying the game anymore after figuring out it's not as "original" as you wanted it to be, simply forget about it and move on.
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yeah god forbid a story have three lead characters with a central antagonist just what the hell man so overdone BIOWARE SUCKS


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Old 01-16-2009, 07:51 PM   #15
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And the same Luke who, after two weeks of walking around with Yoda defeated the most powerful (potentially) Sith Lord(s) in the galaxy.
Yah. Same dude
The only reason Vader was the second-most powerful Sith in the galaxy was because he composed 50% of all Sith during that time.


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Old 01-17-2009, 03:11 AM   #16
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he was also more robotic so his force was actually less than beforehand.


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Old 01-17-2009, 03:32 AM   #17
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Aye, BioWare said they did that in purpose, because they wanted KotOR to feel like and be sorta parallel to the movies saga. Pretty good job at that, btw.


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Old 01-17-2009, 12:04 PM   #18
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Actually when viewing the time of the old republic I view KOTOR all the way up to Episode I before the Clone Wars.
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Old 01-17-2009, 12:50 PM   #19
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he was also more robotic so his force was actually less than beforehand.
I meant Palpatine, actually.
And the (potentially) was meant for Vader.
Still, my point stands.

Vader bested all Jedi during the purge. And a two-weeks trained farmer bested him. And Palpatine, who bested Yoda.

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I meant Palpatine, actually.
Wasn't Luke positively owned by Palpy?


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Old 01-17-2009, 04:51 PM   #21
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I believe he was I remember Luke being the one in pain and Palpatine was doing all the laughing.
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Old 01-17-2009, 07:04 PM   #22
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erm what a way to start a thread and i havent even finished it!lol
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Old 01-19-2009, 05:18 AM   #23
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I believe he was I remember Luke being the one in pain and Palpatine was doing all the laughing.
Psychological victory is a victory too.
Anyways, he bested Palpatine later in a lightsaber duel as well according to EU.

I'll stick with the argument of Vader owned every single old Republic Jedi and Luke owned Vader.

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Old 01-19-2009, 12:25 PM   #24
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Psychological victory is a victory too.
Anyways, he bested Palpatine later in a lightsaber duel as well according to EU.

There was circumstances around that such as Luke receiving "strength" from from two others of Skywalker blood; his sister Leia and the unborn baby Anakin Solo.
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Old 01-21-2009, 05:54 PM   #25
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hey i like you ideas in the response to this thread and all my other thread, however i will warn you if you are going to just reply with:
just get over it its a game
or anything that isn't related to the topic will be given a warning from me from now on, if you do this twice i will report you to the admin for inappropraite replys to a thread and the fact that they aren't even relevant to the thread, i mean come on whats the point giving a complete negative comment to a peson who tries to keep the spark alive, thats what a forum is for, talking and experessing ideas, so please don't do it and think of how others will react before replying, thanks.


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Um.. just going off the movies... Luke got pwned by Vader with only 2 weeks training... If I remember it correctly, it was Luke at the end of the second movie with only one hand... Someone feel free to correct me.... If you are talking after that, he continued his training, so you can't say only 2 weeks training.

Vader was the one that defeated the Emperor. Well technically it was Palpy's connection to the reactor that killed him...
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Old 01-24-2009, 10:38 AM   #27
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I think it would be more accurate to say that Vader killed the Emperor than defeated him, because they didn't actually fight each other.


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Old 01-24-2009, 06:46 PM   #28
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Um.. just going off the movies... Luke got pwned by Vader with only 2 weeks training... If I remember it correctly, it was Luke at the end of the second movie with only one hand... Someone feel free to correct me.... If you are talking after that, he continued his training, so you can't say only 2 weeks training.

Vader was the one that defeated the Emperor. Well technically it was Palpy's connection to the reactor that killed him...
your not going off the movies and i was talking about all of the movies, and the emperor knew that Vader could kill him, as he mentioned in the third movie Revenge of the Sith to Yoda,
Lord Palpatine:Lord Vader will become more powerful than either of us,
Yoda: Much Faith in your new apprentice, you have placed
well the dialogue is near enough not exact but you get the picture, this happened when Yoda had just flipped paply off his feet with a force wave ^^ and during their locked light saber stance.
Ow and if you wandering why Vader didn't take his revenge oon paply is because he was driven by anger, the anger which lead to hatred and he wanted to kill every jedi that remained
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Palpatine was a manipulator, that's how he was able to control so much and stay hidden in plain sight up until the fall of the republic


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Palpatine was a manipulator, that's how he was able to control so much and stay hidden in plain sight up until the fall of the republic
Revan just straight barged in and slaughtered everything.
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Palpatine was a manipulator, that's how he was able to control so much and stay hidden in plain sight up until the fall of the republic
A short interpretted version of what i said lol ^^, ow and no one knows how he deluded the jedi from his force sensibility and how he managed it for that long!
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Bastila was a princess?

And what, Bioware was unoriginal because they had a wookiee in their game? What, were there no wookiees in the old republic?

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And what, Bioware was unoriginal because they had a wookiee in their game? What, were there no wookiees in the old republic?
I think he is subscribing to the opinion that there is little or no difference between Zalbaar and Chewbacca.


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Bastila was a princess?

And what, Bioware was unoriginal because they had a wookiee in their game? What, were there no wookiees in the old republic?

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According to Canderous she was. I think he meant more of a princessy, "I'm better then you are" attitude.

QFT. Exactly right about the wookies. I suppose next we should oust Bao Dur because he looks too much like Darth Maul (when DS). If there was no wookie, people would complain that the game was not Star Wars-ish enough.

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7ft tall, hairy, and they growl and take on life-debts... fine line if you ask me
A life debt is a big part of wookie culture so I don't think that it is so strange that they both carry one. How different can you possibly make a wookie though...I thought Zaalbar being a prince would have been difference enough.

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I wasn't saying all wookiees are boring and the same I was just pointing out that at a glance they would seem cliche until you knew the details


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Psychological victory is a victory too.
Anyways, he bested Palpatine later in a lightsaber duel as well according to EU.

I'll stick with the argument of Vader owned every single old Republic Jedi and Luke owned Vader.
Expanded Universe? Really? The Prequel Trilogy is given a lot of (undeserved) flak, but Expanded Universe...
It's canon, true, but not to my liking. Really not a good resolution to the dramatic plot of Episodes 1-6.
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I found it to be fitting even if one could see it as distasteful. The Prequel Trilogy is given a lot of praise, mostly due to high traffic of new fans of the recent generations. However, it does not mean it isn't deserved -- rather it just gets annoying to me when you can't carry on the conversation by getting in depth with the trilogy that started it all.


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nice to see my thread thriving even when i ahve been away for a month, even if it doesn't really relate to this topic specificly lol ^^
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I noticed its parallel with the movies whic was one way to get props from its loyal fanbase.

I'm sure if you look it up, one could find an interview with a concept artist/manager hired on to make a central villain that had a familiar feel and presence to Vader--and the emperor to some extent. Hence Darth Malak.

Also the scene where the med droid is removing Malak's jawplate while one of his underlings briefs him was highly reminiscent of the scene in empire strikes back where Vader was meditating without his helmet as an admiral came in to brief him.

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Psychological victory is a victory too.
Anyways, he bested Palpatine later in a lightsaber duel as well according to EU.

I'll stick with the argument of Vader owned every single old Republic Jedi and Luke owned Vader.
And how about at the moment he cheap shotted Mace Windu?
I think mace would have beat the living crap out of Anakin/Vader in human form. Mace'd pwn cybernetic Vader.

Luke only bested Palpatine saber wise with a little help via force augmentation. Which implies to me that Luke (nor Leia) *DID NOT* posses the near unlimited force potential that anakin/vader supposedly had.

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Um.. just going off the movies... Luke got pwned by Vader with only 2 weeks training... If I remember it correctly, it was Luke at the end of the second movie with only one hand... Someone feel free to correct me.... If you are talking after that, he continued his training, so you can't say only 2 weeks training.

Vader was the one that defeated the Emperor. Well technically it was Palpy's connection to the reactor that killed him...
But it was Luke putting Anakin/Vader to the test--would he really let his own son be murdered by the emperor? Apparently not. At least give Luke *some* credit. Not a lot, just a little bit for pulling out the cog that undid Palpatine's work on Vader.

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I think it would be more accurate to say that Vader killed the Emperor than defeated him, because they didn't actually fight each other.
Though according to EU there had been a few times Vader turned on the emperor. All subtly, save one. Vader was floored in 2 seconds.

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According to Canderous she was. I think he meant more of a princessy, "I'm better then you are" attitude.

QFT. Exactly right about the wookies. I suppose next we should oust Bao Dur because he looks too much like Darth Maul (when DS). If there was no wookie, people would complain that the game was not Star Wars-ish enough.
Perhaps, but the no jedi robes restriciton w/out mods is a downer to that. Also, Bao Dur was more buff and I suspect taller and heavier. Maul/Ray Park on the other hand......was wiry.

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Fur coat variations could help? Maybe?

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Originally Posted by Jedi Master Revan View Post
nice to see my thread thriving even when i ahve been away for a month, even if it doesn't really relate to this topic specificly lol ^^
I like to try to help that along as well.


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