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Old 11-22-2009, 10:18 PM   #1
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Me theory on the Unknown Regions

I've had this theory for about 2 years now. Now that TOR is being made, I think it might actually be right if we are to see Revan again.

I believe that the Unknown Regions is a place where time is slowed. By a lot. What would be 3 months in there, would be 30 years out there. There has been time travel in Star Wars books and comics, so it can't be a stretch for this to happen. This would explain why Revan would return in TOR IF the devs put him in the game.
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Old 11-22-2009, 10:44 PM   #2
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Sorry to tell you, but the Unknown Regions is just a part of the galaxy that the Republic and other groups have not been to or mapped.


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Old 11-23-2009, 08:26 AM   #3
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TOR will likely uncover the mystery surrounding Revan as that is that most people are asking about. I'm sorry but I don't think we'll see Revan alive again. Or Exile.

Whatever happened to them in the outer rims may forever remain a mystery. But the source of their interest is what will be fought against. Possibly we may stumble upon remnants or remains of their sentiments and such.

Frankly, I'm dying for a spill with that sith warrior guy (even as another sith warrior), but alas we may never get to fight specifically against him. I won't be able to upgrade my machine to play it anyhow. So I won't be able to play it. Not that I couldn't live without it.
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Old 11-23-2009, 01:00 PM   #4
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I've had this theory for about 2 years now. Now that TOR is being made, I think it might actually be right if we are to see Revan again.

I believe that the Unknown Regions is a place where time is slowed. By a lot. What would be 3 months in there, would be 30 years out there. There has been time travel in Star Wars books and comics, so it can't be a stretch for this to happen. This would explain why Revan would return in TOR IF the devs put him in the game.
Your theory is not at all grounded in canon. There have been other people from the Unknown Regions elsewhere in the timeline (like the Chiss), and there has been no implication or mention of "temporal distortion", as a Trekkie would call it. Revan's sleeping with the fishes, and after three hundred years, there is no reason he shouldn't be.

Besides, if they're going to put HK-47 in this game (as has been rumored), then that's more then enough obnoxious-ness for me.


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Old 11-23-2009, 04:11 PM   #5
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Besides, if they're going to put HK-47 in this game (as has been rumored), then that's more then enough obnoxious-ness for me.
Maybe, but I have a strange feeling that it won't be THE HK-47 (or at least not the one you get to have):

1) there was an entire HK series of driods even before Revan built his HK-47 (Hint: The Comics)
2) TSL, even the restored content doesn't conclusively rule out that other HK-50 and 51 droids were possibly still being made for an indefinite time period thereafter
3) PC gamer (or one of those) mag had what appeared to be a very similar looking HK droid on the front cover of the world unveiling of TOR some months back.
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Old 11-23-2009, 06:12 PM   #6
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I hope they don't put HK-47 in the game. (Brings back bad memories of how he was incorporated into Galaxies)
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Sorry to tell you, but the Unknown Regions is just a part of the galaxy that the Republic and other groups have not been to or mapped.
Sorry to tell you, but there is no hard evidence that there isn't some kind of time travel within the Unknown Regions. The Sith could of made a time machine or something like that on one of the planets.

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Your theory is not at all grounded in canon. There have been other people from the Unknown Regions elsewhere in the timeline (like the Chiss), and there has been no implication or mention of "temporal distortion", as a Trekkie would call it.
A theory is a theory, not canon. Canon is being added to the Star Wars lore every day. Who knows, I could be right.
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Okay, so you're saying that they may have built a time machine on one planet or another, but in the OP you said
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I believe that the Unknown Regions is a place where time is slowed. By a lot. What would be 3 months in there, would be 30 years out there.
which implies all of the Unknown Regions is distorted, and there is no control over it (unlike a machine). It should be noted that some groups from the Unknown Regions have come to the rest of the galaxy (including the Fel family, who came from the Empire), who never mentioned another time distortion (and in the case of the Fel family, their family tree fit perfectly in time with the rest of the galaxy).

So, is it a time machine (which is pretty wishful thinking to get Revan to live 300 years in the future), or a distortion, which seems to be impossible given current canon (current canon being a lot of the NJO books, the Dark Nest trilogy, and a dozen other things)?

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Old 11-23-2009, 11:39 PM   #9
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A theory is a theory, not canon.
That is my point.


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Old 11-24-2009, 08:20 AM   #10
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another "Not quite thought through EU name", the Unknown regions are about as unknown as the President...

* Ankus
* Carrivar
* Crakull
* Crustai
* Csilla
* Ilum
* Kariek
* Kilia IV
* Lehon
* Lwhekk
* Malagarr
* Mobus
* Morcanth
* Munlali Mafir
* Nagi
* Osseriton
* Pesfavri
* Qoribu
* Rhigar
* Sarvchi
* Shikitari
* Tenupe
* Tof
* Umaren'k'sa
* Yashuvhu
* Yoggoy
* Zonama Sekot

Quite a lot of Known Planets, for an uncharted "Unknown Region" :P


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Old 11-24-2009, 03:10 PM   #11
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^Also, you'll notice that there are actually plotted hyperspace routes going to the Chiss Ascendency on a map in the Essential Atlas.

And why would time slow in the Unknow Regions? I know of hyperspace anomalies being around that region, but that doesn't mean time is slowed. Besides, if you read the NJO books, three or four of which take place in the Unknown Regions, you'll see that time runs normally.


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Old 11-24-2009, 03:55 PM   #12
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Quite a lot of Known Planets, for an uncharted "Unknown Region" :P
That's about 27 planets in a region about the size one fifth or fourth of the galaxy, the same galaxy where the dominant galactic government has millions of planets in its territory.


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Old 11-24-2009, 06:04 PM   #13
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Yes but how many of the planets in the Dominant Galactic regions are named? if a 1/4 of the Galaxy has 27 named planets in a Book, and the other 3/4 have 40 named planets in a Book, its safe to say that its pretty well Charted... Regardless of Palpatines ridiculous talk of Galaxy size(If thats who your referencing)


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Old 11-25-2009, 12:12 AM   #14
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Yes but how many of the planets in the Dominant Galactic regions are named? if a 1/4 of the Galaxy has 27 named planets in a Book, and the other 3/4 have 40 named planets in a Book, its safe to say that its pretty well Charted... Regardless of Palpatines ridiculous talk of Galaxy size(If thats who your referencing)
The Empire having millions of star systems is long-established, and in a galaxy with four hundred billion stars, it isn't even close to ridiculous (if implausible is what you mean by ridiculous). The Corporate Sector Authority controlled thirty thousand systems during the Empire's existence, and it was just a corporate fiefdom on the edge of known space.


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Old 11-25-2009, 08:27 AM   #15
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By ridiculous I mean laughable, it is Plausible as its Space Opera (By that I mean Science Fantasy), I'm just saying that, Other than people saying there are millions of systems, reference books tend to only cover the main systems in the sector, and going on that, the Known and unknown parts of the galaxy seem to be equally Covered, but we're going off on a tandem now hehe.

OT: I don't think Time is slower in the Unknown Regions.


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I'm sorry, did we jump ahead 4000 years?
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You're the one who thinks time machines might be there, so you tell us. :P


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Old 11-26-2009, 12:58 PM   #18
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You're the one who thinks time machines might be there, so you tell us. :P
But we're talking about planets discovered 4000 years later. I'm talking about in the KOTOR.
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But we're talking about planets discovered 4000 years later. I'm talking about in the KOTOR.
Those planets still existed in KOTOR, just weren't discovered. And anyways, Revan died. Deal with the fact. There's no way he could live for 300 years. I realize he's a popular character, but he's not invincible. You might like him alot, but that doesn't mean Revan didn't die. I'm sorry if this annoys you in any way, but that's the truth.


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I'm sorry if this annoys you in any way, but that's the truth.
Do you have any proof...?
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Do you have any proof...?
Humans in Star Wars don't live 300+ years.
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Humans in Star Wars don't live 300+ years.
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Revan was probably the most powerful Jedi ever. What's to say he didn't prolong his life even longer than 300 years?
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Who in &*%^ has lived for 300 years [besides the Dathomir witches]?

Also, if they (the Dathomir witches) can live that long what was up with all the time-travel nonsense?

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Revan was probably the most powerful Jedi ever.

Of course he was.

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What's to say he didn't prolong his life even longer than 300 years?
How about the fact that there is no evidence whatsoever that he did or that he even knew how?


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How about the fact that there is no evidence whatsoever that he did or that he even knew how?
Vice versa.
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Vice versa.
Actually, there is evidence: Bastila, who was obviously a Force sensitive, was not alive during the events of the TOR webcomic, which takes place 300 years after TSL.

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I should also point out that the 300 years part, as well as a good chunk of the article, is not sourced.


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I should also point out that the 300 years part, as well as a good chunk of the article, is not sourced.
Awful canon.
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Damn. To be fair though, that was a Dathomir Witch, who practiced Dark Side stuff. Revan, however, was light sided, meaning he probably didn't have the knowledge to do it.


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Vice versa.
You're the one who is trying to tell us that it's possible for Revan to have had an extended lifespan (via a technique or simply by being very strong with the Force). The burden of proof is on you to support your claim, not on anyone else to refute it.


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Sorry to tell you, but there is no hard evidence that there isn't some kind of time travel within the Unknown Regions. The Sith could of made a time machine or something like that on one of the planets.



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The 300 year lifespan quote from Wookiepedia is only there in reference to the matriarchs of the Dathomiri as Giygas pointed out. There is no other reference from any published SW product of any human individual ever living even close to that age. This quote was challenged some time back on Wookiepedia here, asking for an alteration to the article: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Human

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Damn. To be fair though, that was a Dathomir Witch, who practiced Dark Side stuff. Revan, however, was light sided, meaning he probably didn't have the knowledge to do it.
As to the Dathomiri as dark-siders though.... I thought Dathomiri witches were more or less light-sided? My impression was that whilst Dathomir itself was "dark-force heavy", that the only active practitioners were the Nightsisters, but the primary warrior clans like those of the Singing Mountain clan were light-siders by nature, who reviled use of the dark side and exiled any who were caught using it.

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Actually, there is evidence: Bastila, who was obviously a Force sensitive, was not alive during the events of the TOR webcomic, which takes place 300 years after TSL.
She wasn't as powerful as Revan though. Or she would of killed him on the Star Forge.

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Damn. To be fair though, that was a Dathomir Witch, who practiced Dark Side stuff. Revan, however, was light sided, meaning he probably didn't have the knowledge to do it.
Remember, Revan was the most powerful Dark Lord of the Sith at one stage.

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You're the one who is trying to tell us that it's possible for Revan to have had an extended lifespan (via a technique or simply by being very strong with the Force). The burden of proof is on you to support your claim, not on anyone else to refute it.
I wasn't trying to prove anything. This was merely a theory, not a fact I'm trying to back up.
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Old 11-28-2009, 11:32 AM   #33
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She wasn't as powerful as Revan though. Or she would of killed him on the Star Forge.
Probably, but I don't think Malak would have sent Bastila after Revan if she didn't have a chance.

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No, he wasn't. Revan has never demonstrated any feats in the Force that equal other notable Force users of later times.


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Damn. To be fair though, that was a Dathomir Witch, who practiced Dark Side stuff. Revan, however, was light sided, meaning he probably didn't have the knowledge to do it.
But he started regaining his memory, part of it was what was in the unknown regions, thus he left.
Isn't there any chance he could have remembered the technique?
I still however, think that it's possible for Revan to appear in TOR.
How, you may ask?
Force Ghost.
You may also ask why he would not leave the unknown regions as a ghost, well, couldn't the Sith have entrapped his soul there?


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^Very true. If, in the unlikely event Revan does make an appearence in TOR, I am 99.9999999% sure he'd have to be a Force Ghost. I personally believe that the True Sith were too much for Revan, and after wreaking havoc, died. After all, one person can't possibly stop an entire nation.


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^Very true. If, in the unlikely event Revan does make an appearence in TOR, I am 99.9999999% sure he'd have to be a Force Ghost. I personally believe that the True Sith were too much for Revan, and after wreaking havoc, died. After all, one person can't possibly stop an entire nation.
Well, let's count some other achievements they've made:
They escaped a planet under quarantine
They destroyed the star forge single handedly (The other jedi don't count, cause srsly, they didn't do anything)
They found each and every star map
Fought and won in a dark jedi filled temple
Defeated the dark lord
Infiltrated and destroyed a sith academy
and depending on how you played, you could do most of this with no help from party members at all.
But anyway, wouldn't that make a good setting for a Battleground/Quest in TOR, setting Revan's soul free?


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^^^I think that what happened to Revan (and exile to a lesser degree) are on the minds of everyone who will play the upcoming MMO. IMO, it will be one of the big points or revelations about the whole quest. Here is to hoping, however, that the twist is worth all the hype and truly climactic--I pray that they keep quiet as possible about it to keep people guessing and looking.

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The 300 year lifespan quote from Wookiepedia is only there in reference to the matriarchs of the Dathomiri as Giygas pointed out. There is no other reference from any published SW product of any human individual ever living even close to that age. This quote was challenged some time back on Wookiepedia here, asking for an alteration to the article: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Human
Actually I physically have this guide:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ultimate_Visual_Guide
and in it is a mention of one of the adventures of the original Trilogy era's gang between the films. IIRC between ESB and ROTJ, they (luke and leia) do meet a 200 year old direct descendant of Nomi Sunrider. The article is a mere mention, brief but direct to the piece. However, such an un-detailed account raises several questions about truly how specific this was. As well as original work's published time era. All in all, I'm unsure of its true canon anyways.

Regardless, I still support your point that no human through any unassisted or natural means lived even close to 300 years throughout SW. As relates to Revan, I truly do believe it was a sacrifice. That in the end, Revan was brought down as a martyr. Perhaps also was the Exile.


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Revan and the Exile could still be alive. As could the rest of the main cast of both KotOR games. They could have plot armor.


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Here's the main reason why Revan cannot - or should not - be alive at the time of The Old Republic: it's a stupid fanboy's fantasy.

There. Discussion over.


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^^ I think that just shot down all the theories regarding how Revan will still be in TOR.


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