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Old 07-20-2011, 05:12 AM   #161
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I have some reactions:
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Originally Posted by Shem
This guy is stuck:
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shemL dude plz help me im in the base of the ubse or whatever and i cant get out like the wokkie and kria r there and the door 2 the jekk jekkk tar is closed and i killed every1 in there exepect the hanhar and kria and i CANT GET OUT!!! plzzzzz help me
Do you ever get the impression they couldn't find their way out of a paper bag even if the pathway were clearly drawn and lined with pretty lights all the way?

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This guy wants a different ending:
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Is there no scenario which lets the Jedis live?
Awww.

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This is a mod idea I agree with:
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it looks kinda silly with the general and the queen just standing there in the background. Someone should make a mod to fix that
Coming when...it's done?

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At least someone is smart enough to know that most of these YouTubers are very lost:

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lol I feel sorry for you Shem, having to put up with all these comments
That was either me or merules1. It probably was a gesture of kindness, but in case that was me, my God I sound like an ass.

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Then there are other YouTubers who think that Iím ignorant:
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You know that you can poison them both as well. It makes the duel so much easier.

You should've poisoned them both, too!
<sigh> Why that sounds like a good strategy for, gee, I dunno, Dragon Warrior games, and parasite eve, and to a similar extent megaman X command mission (if you can get over the kiddishness of it) and just about any other RPG strategy game. Yes. I myself never would have thought of *that* before.
...Wait, I heard ignorance!


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I love inspiration. Something happened in the last few days on YouTube that inspired me to do another update.

The other day I get a PM saying this:

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please tell me how 2 talk 2 carth because I've made 13 exiles and still no luck on getting to him I've made 3 light side males 4 light side females 3 dark side males and 3 dark side females and i don't want to make another 1 so can you please tell me in complete instructions on how to talk to him and please no jedi talk like you must try harder little one or you will never truly understand the meaning of accomplishing a task if you are told the answer lol but no really just tell me please
Iíve had similar PMís in the past. Usually what I would do since I made this thread:

http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?t=197122

Most of you will remember that thread which ended up inspiring me to make this thread as I saw that if that thread was a gold mine, this one I made will be an even bigger.

Is write a PM telling them to look at this thread, so I replied:

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My advice is to NOT rush through the dialogue. You need to read this thread at LucasForums to see what you're screwing up.

http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?t=197122
Normally I would get responses of how silly they feel now, or thank you-s, etc. Heck, I would even get a response till like days later (depending how long it took them to complete the game) and thanking me for telling them how they have been screwing up and I feel good for helping someone.

This time it was different and hilarious. So I get a response later:

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yes i chose the right options in dialog but i can't find carth please just give me a walk through on where i need to go what i need to do and what other dialog options i need to chose
I just about fell out of my chair when I read that because I knew this guy was going to be hard to get through. So out of the goodness of my heart while laughing a bit, I replied to try to set him straight:

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Don't give me that. If you choose the right options, you can't help but run into Carth. It's automatic.
So how can I be clearer than that? You defeat Darth Nihilus and Carth requests an audience with you that you canít avoid if you chose that dialogue option with Atton. Simple right? Not for this guy and here is his next response:

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well i guess not look can you please just tell me all the dialog options i need 2 chose and where i need to go please
I have no idea why this guy thinks I was holding back on him. That thread I made explains all you need to do to get Carth to show up. Heck, there are even strategy guides out there that explain this. I just donít get people.

So by now this guy was getting a little annoying, so I responded by saying:

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Dude, seriously? It's really simple. It's "ONE" dialogue selection and I even took a picture of what you will need to select to get Carth. It's in that thread at LucasForums I linked to you that I created because of people like you. Read the thread for crying out loud. How impatient can one person be? Your impatience is the reason why you have yet to see Carth in the game. Plain and simple.

I'm betting you just skimmed the thread and thought that wasn't what you needed, but in fact, it is. Just read it, because I know for a fact you haven't or you're too stupid to comprehend the content. Which one is it? I'm betting it's the impatience part, but if you keep this up, I'll change my mind.

Did you know the first time I ever played TSL, I met Carth. The reason being is because I read my choices and "comprehended" what they meant. You're acting totally helpless and I refuse to answer any more queries about this because if you can't read that thread, then you're the problem. It tells you how to do it. It will all depend on how badly you want this.

BTW, you're the first person who I have linked that thread who had a query about this who didn't get it the first time. I guess there is a first time for everything.
Now here is the classic response that got me laughing the hardest:

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my god your just like a real life jedi always talking down to others look i read the [A word that starts with F]ing thread all the way through and all it said was take dialog option number 2 when your talking atton and a bunch other useless comments that i didn't read because their just a bunch of idiots always repeating the same comments oh well i didn't know you could see carth in here oh well i didn't know carth would be in the game oh i wonder how many others are here and even though i already knew to take dialog option number 2 and follow the game through without being impatient and look at dialog b4 i chose it never works!!!!!! GOD you know what I'm tired asking 4 help from a jerk like you! I THINK I CAN LIVE WITHOUT FINDING CARTH!!!!!!!! i hope you have a merry Christmas [A word that starts with ďAĒ]
The guy lies to cover up his ignorance. If he had chosen dialogue option #2, he runs into Carth. We all know that. I have no idea why people think itís smart to try to pull those things by me and think Iím going to buy it and pretty much imply Iím holding out on him. The deeper issue could be that he didnít want to start a new game and have to play it all the way through and wanted some ďinsideĒ information on how to still get Carth without having to play another game because of his impatience, but what he doesnít get is that isnít going to happen as the game isnít set up that way.

Anyway, it was after that latest PM where I decided this was too good of material to pass up reporting.
Damn. Just.....damn.

If there were to actually be serious research into internet ignorance that is known as the 'n00b' phenomenon, called n00b-pwn-ology, I think we may have just found a worthy entry for a valid research source.

The other guy exhibits the classic signs of being a n00b (which is not to be confused with "newb" because newbs are just newbies). A n00b on the other hand:

1) doesn't read, or is selective
2) unreasonable and impatient
3) Asks silly questions that are ignorant or which query the obvious
4) receive a response and don't process it even though they read it
5) continues and possibly tries to cover up their obvious n00bile tendencies

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Ah, yes, a side quest that requires conversations that is part of playing role playing games. You all know what that means.

Okay, did it ever occur to people to pay attention in the video as it explains the data pad belongs to Uthar or is that asking too much:

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where do u find the data pad?

howd u get that datapad

where do you get the datapad to show his son?
Considering your video pretty much is a walkthrough guide in and of itself to get a specific result (if people would only try to mimick what you do and not require someone to hold their hand the whole time) I would not think it is asking too much.

Apparently the You n00b community would disagree.


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Just remember guys, these guys are YouTubers, home of the most impatient people in the world. So talking to characters as less as possible is not something theyíre going to do:
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I can't seem to find this datapad. I thought it might be in Uthar's room but the door's locked and I can't figure out how to open it.

tell me were you got the database!!! or how u got int uthars room!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

how do you get in uthars room???
It's sad when people could easily put two and two together, especially with a journal which can be referred to should you get lost.

Y'know I wonder if after their mother gave birth to them that either:
1) the doctor dropped them on their head or
2) they need to be dropped on their head AGAIN cuz you never know what a good konk to the cranium might yield.

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Then there are the Xbox version users who think they got shafted:
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Can you find Dustil on the Xbox version of the game or do you have to have the PC version?

how do i find his son on the xbox version?

is this able too happen on Xbox version to ?
Haa! Yes! People thinking they got jacked, and you didn't need to use a mod to do it, just have the idea of mods in application floating around. Assumptions make for funny results.

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This person could not have played TSL or could he? You never know with YouTubers:
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how is he gonna go to telos when its over when it was blown up?
/facepalm

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What would you say to this:
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Hey Shem, have you ever been a scoundrel when you start the game
I'd say, "only on the weekends".

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How can someone actually watch my video and ask this? Seriously people:
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Can you even save Dustil?


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I would think this is more important to your relationship with Carth if youíre female Revan:
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Does this happen if you are a girl?
Hmm...Carth says female Revan "reminds [him] of [his] wife"... I mean he has a son too. Maybe male Revan is one of those transexuals?
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Uhh, no.

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Someone who got frustrated with the ignorant YouTubers:
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sigh... I will just say it for JediShemL if you don't know lol. You need to get this datapad in Uthars room. You can get it by Double Crossing Yuthura by telling Uthar her plans then telling Yuthura that Uthar wants to kill her ( don't mention you told him tho) then she will give you like a key i think and you can enter his room or alternatively, get a decent-high amount of security and open his door. I just used T3 but thats cause I did Korriban last.
Sounds like DarthYuugi/merules1 was coming to service here.

I digress:



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There is some hope out there because some of the users made replies to at different times to the users who failed to see through the joke:

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I guess you failed to pick up on the sarcasm LOL
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try wikipedia and word sarcasm
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Holy [crap] you didn't see through the sarcasm?
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lol he was joking there is no one in the game that sells you the robes, you have to just download the mod
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It's a mod. I believe he's trolling you.
Nice. People who actually get it. Though the ignorant ones are amusing it is refreshing to see that YT people aren't all n00bz.

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One of the users who saw the reply to their query of the joke said this:

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Wow i actually looked for him lol
You can tell this person has some humility and even a sense of humor. Telltale signs this is someone ya actually wouldn't mind knowing.


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If there was interest in updating this thread again, I wouldn't mind doing some more updates!
I don't know if I alone qualify, though LF has been kind of dead lately.

Actually I recall one video (making visas dance for Vogga iirc) where one youtuber was all amazed you could change the voice of your male exile to Darth Malak during fights and wondered how you could do it, to which I believe I replied something like "changing the voices of your characters is now easier than ever with the Kotor Savegame editor!" to which you said "Yeah, but you know, that would require some level of intelligence which I have just about given up on for the human race."

I suck at modding but I wonder what kind of reactions a really crappy BS mod would get. One where you throw in references to obscure and esoteric things and movies. Stuff that just absolutely makes no sense whatsoever in the context of SW games.

Problem is I'm not as funny as I'd like to think...then again it isn't me that would be getting laughed at but rather the youtuber reactions.
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Old 07-20-2011, 08:11 PM   #162
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I finally updated this thread the other day for the first time in over a year with a small update, but I really didnít go through all the comments in a video like I just did now. The funny thing is trying to remember my set up on how I did the updates quicker. I guess it will be a slow process to get to the point where I can do these faster. So Iím just doing one video at this time to get this going.

I also had to look at which videos I never covered and once I did that, I got the process started. As a reminder from when I started doing these, YouTube doesn't have a language filter so I did replace some words and to make it known I used [brackets] to show you which word was replaced.

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Of course there are the surprised that this could be done:

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wow? i never had that...and it showed part of Canderous that I never thought he had lol.
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same here, i never? knew that whould happen.
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Holy [crap]! I've never seen? canderous that angry!
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wow ive never seen that [jerk] before
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how does this manage to happen? Ive traveled with ONLY Canderous and Bastilla(cept on Korriban) and Jagi never showed up! HELP!
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Thanks I could not find the cutscene for the life of me!
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thanks! i have never knew about jagi!


Some having issues with how it's played out:

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I admire mandalorians but these? are two pussies lol FIGHT ALREADY!
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Canderous is really way more compassionate than a mandalorian should be. Guess you dont need to be a total sociopath to become mandalore. Nice post, by the way.


If you watch the video, you would see the problem with this statement:

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two lightsaber wielding? mandos? DAYUM!


The power of persuade is often overlooked:

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I see that you convinced Jagi to listen. He was always stubbern when I tried it.?


Some people don't know the word "MOD":

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Oh, so it's like a hack?


Someone didn't talk to Canderous enough:

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Wow....so that's what happened. I've never done this. I've tried talking to Canderous numerous times, but it failed...


Besides modding, others out there think there are other benefits to the PC version:

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Is the Jagi sub story PC only or does it work for Xbox?
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lol is this only on the PC version or what
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Is this cut content, or is it just for PC? Because I have the Xbox version and I have run around every planet with Canderous and have not found anything that would lead up to this scene, or make it come on.
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this must be the pc version.
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is this a mod or can you get this on normal xbox version
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Do u have to have a mod to fight Jagi
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is this moded cause every time i try to do that it doesnt work
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Can this be on Xbox
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ia this whole encounter a mod, or can you do this in the game without a mod?
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how did you do that ive never seen that guy befor ps is there a diffrent verson for like xbox360 or computer
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can u do this on the xbox version sheml


It's always funny to see people who know what mods are and ask if this scene is a mod, but then there are those who don't know what mods are:

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how did you get jagi to have dark jedi with him? i always fought him when he brought rodian bounty hunters
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did you use a mod so jagi comes with dark jedi because ive played this side quest a thousand times and he always came with rodian bounty hunters

How about watching my video:

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What part of Tatooine do you have to fight Jagi at?
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Where can you find Jagi?! I've looked all over the desert, yet still I can't find him.
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Where can I find Jagi on Tatooine? I've searched the entire desert!


Someone actually thought I didn't know what a mod was:

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YouTuber: is this a mod if not how do i get to it
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Me: Which one are you talking about?
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YouTuber: A mod is like a modifacation


So I put a yellow Mandalorian outfit on Jagi and it really confused someone:

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but the yellow mandalore (jagi)... isn't that the arena champion from Taris?


What some people think of me:

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wow cheater u used so much EXP
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JedishemL is a f'n noob!!


Then there are those who feel bad for me:

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I feel bad for you Shem, you make amazing videos, but people are constantly pestering you about how to get stuff such as Canerous's armor in this video. They just can't comprehend that you can "mod" PC games. Ignorant people, what are you going to do?


Some people don't get the concept of role playing games:

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all that talking for 15 seconds of fighting???


Ah the disappointment this guy got when he learned the armor I put on Canderous is a mod:

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Where did you get the armor for canderous?I just want to know without mods or cheats.


Some people really love to make stuff up:

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yo, i did this, and he wasnt talking to canderous, instead he killed canderous, and either allow him to tkae canderous's place, or fight him.. i didnt mod it, i saw this, and i was like wtf, cuz my freinds showed me on thier systems that mine was wrong just like ur vid here, so ya...



Some people really have their own version of looking at things:

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The dude in yellow sounds like Chris Freeman aka Alucard.



The idea of Canderous talking through a microphone didn't occur to this guy:

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is dat da 1 who becomes mandlore in kotor 2? if so his voice got ALOT deeper>



I love confused people:

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how u get the mandalorian armour for canderous i rember i got it but how?


Somebody took it personally on all the queries I receive:

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Oh my [fudg]ing god, will you retards stop asking how he got the dark jedi and the armors? ITS OBVIOUS ITS A? MOD, STOP BEING SUCH [FUDG]ING IDIOTS AND TRY TO USE YOUR BRAINS FOR ONCE YOU RETARDS.



Enjoy the update!


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Old 07-24-2011, 10:32 PM   #163
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Hmmm....I'm glad you started this up again. I was around way back and I wondered what happened to it. Unfortunately, I believe most people here visit other sections of the forums so it may be missed. If I were you I'd give a shout to others that your back and the fun has started again.

On to my reaction: . I actually find it kind of sad. However, as sad as I find the situation I am amazed at the sense of....self importance some of these people have. It's like they don't care that they are....wrong?.....ignorant? But that in itself seems wrong to me. CAN SOME1 EXPLANE?!!!! PLZ REPLY .


It's just like chicken-only different.
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Old 07-30-2011, 03:33 PM   #164
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Of course there are the surprised that this could be done:
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wow? i never had that...and it showed part of Canderous that I never thought he had lol.
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same here, i never? knew that whould happen.
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Holy [crap]! I've never seen? canderous that angry!
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wow ive never seen that [jerk] before
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how does this manage to happen? Ive traveled with ONLY Canderous and Bastilla(cept on Korriban) and Jagi never showed up! HELP!
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Thanks I could not find the cutscene for the life of me!
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thanks! i have never knew about jagi!
lol clueless people

Gotta love it.
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Some having issues with how it's played out:


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I admire mandalorians but these? are two pussies lol FIGHT ALREADY!
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Canderous is really way more compassionate than a mandalorian should be. Guess you dont need to be a total sociopath to become mandalore. Nice post, by the way.
Guess nobody ever told them mandos have compassion too, Unless they end up like Montross who ultimately died at Jango's hands. I had a wonderful time playing that part of SW Bounty Hunter.

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If you watch the video, you would see the problem with this statement:
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two lightsaber wielding? mandos? DAYUM!
I dunno. This guy might actually have a sense of humor. Maybe.

Until someone proves otherwise I always try to give them benefit of the doubt when it comes to having a basic inkling of common sense. A comment like this obviously can't be a serious one. However, if he really is being serious,
1) epic facepalm
2) you now have license to laugh AT him




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Besides modding, others out there think there are other benefits to the PC version:
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Is the Jagi sub story PC only or does it work for Xbox?

lol is this only on the PC version or what

Is this cut content, or is it just for PC? Because I have the Xbox version and I have run around every planet with Canderous and have not found anything that would lead up to this scene, or make it come on.

this must be the pc version.

is this a mod or can you get this on normal xbox version

Do u have to have a mod to fight Jagi

is this moded cause every time i try to do that it doesnt work

Can this be on Xbox

ia this whole encounter a mod, or can you do this in the game without a mod?

how did you do that ive never seen that guy befor ps is there a diffrent verson for like xbox360 or computer

can u do this on the xbox version sheml
Eh, just let them continue to be uncertain about it. If they care enough, I'm sure they'll find out the answer one way or another. Who knows, maybe a few of them will say some things worth a chuckle or two.


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Someone actually thought I didn't know what a mod was:


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YouTuber: is this a mod if not how do i get to it
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Me: Which one are you talking about?
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YouTuber: A mod is like a modifacation


*Someone* has to think they're never wrong here, and it certianly isn't shem.


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So I put a yellow Mandalorian outfit on Jagi and it really confused someone:


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but the yellow mandalore (jagi)... isn't that the arena champion from Taris?
Must be some more of that not paying attention stuff. There seems to be an abundance of it. I should go into business and make a profit off of it.



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What some people think of me:
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wow cheater u used so much EXP
Using exp? I thought you gained experience points in a game? Hm. Interesting.

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JedishemL is a f'n noob!!
Guy, think about that for just a second, you are calling someone who mods the game (knows it inside and out) a n00b. That means if this person can show you up, you are being shown up by a n00b by your own testament. Think about that for just a second, fella, being pwned BY a n00b.

I think the point makes itself.

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Then there are those who feel bad for me:

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I feel bad for you Shem, you make amazing videos, but people are constantly pestering you about how to get stuff such as Canerous's armor in this video. They just can't comprehend that you can "mod" PC games. Ignorant people, what are you going to do?
Maybe someone should tell him what we do with all these comments. There's plenty of amusement if you know how and where to find it.

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Ah the disappointment this guy got when he learned the armor I put on Canderous is a mod:
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Where did you get the armor for canderous?I just want to know without mods or cheats.
Life is cruel sometimes, unfortunately.

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yo, i did this, and he wasnt talking to canderous, instead he killed canderous, and either allow him to tkae canderous's place, or fight him.. i didnt mod it, i saw this, and i was like wtf, cuz my freinds showed me on thier systems that mine was wrong just like ur vid here, so ya...
OK, can someone say BULL ****?


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Somebody took it personally on all the queries I receive:
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Oh my [fudg]ing god, will you retards stop asking how he got the dark jedi and the armors? ITS OBVIOUS ITS A? MOD, STOP BEING SUCH [FUDG]ING IDIOTS AND TRY TO USE YOUR BRAINS FOR ONCE YOU RETARDS.
I'd just tell him: It's okay, the dumb comments of all these people *aren't* going to waste. Trust me.

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Some people really have their own version of looking at things:


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The dude in yellow sounds like Chris Freeman aka Alucard.
Hm. Let me pull up a vid so we can judge for ourselves, personally I think I kind of agree actually.
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For those who don't know:
"Alucard" is a character on the anime "Hellsing ultimate" (NOT for audiences under 18 due to extreme blood and gore). If you spell the name "Alucard" backwards you'll see what name it really is.

If I am not mistaken this is not only a nod towards the real life Vlad Tepes [meaning "the impaler"] Dracula (because in at least one scene it is shown with Alucard in a brief flashback to his human life when he was looking like Vlad the impaler), but also it is a nod to Konami and their game of Castlevania 3 for the NES where there's a recruitable playable character named "Alucard" (Adrian Tepes Farenheight), the lost son of Dracula.


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Old 07-04-2012, 05:56 AM   #165
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Part of me may laugh at all this, but I still think that these people aren't at fault for their ignorance.
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Old 07-06-2012, 07:08 PM   #166
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Thanks for the bump... otherwise never would have found this awesome thread.

Some people... *sigh*
No wonder BioWare makes the games it does now... with these kind of 'fans'...
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Old 07-06-2012, 08:31 PM   #167
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Jesus H Christ...
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Old 08-09-2012, 08:13 PM   #168
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All I have to say is:

I think my fave is this:

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"Come to think of it, my equipment could use some scratching here and there."
Well, you do that, but please dont post about it on the internet for the whole world to see.
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Old 08-09-2012, 09:29 PM   #169
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Shem, how many noobs posted those silly comments on your videos?

I lost count after 50.



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Old 08-10-2012, 11:48 AM   #170
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This makes me want to post gameplay trailers from my TC and watch everyone be confused. lol
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Old 08-11-2012, 11:45 AM   #171
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Part of me may laugh at all this, but I still think that these people aren't at fault for their ignorance.
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