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Old 06-14-2009, 10:12 PM   #1
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Why a Clone Trooper is better than a Clone Commando

I realized today that a clone trooper might be better than a clone commando. If you think hard about it you'll see why. First of all a clone trooper sees more action than a clone commando so they would have more experience than a clone commando because they fight on the front lines but commandos are sent behind enemy lines. Also if a commando was sent to the front lines they might not last as long as a clone trooper because they are not trained fight on the front lines where they are being attacked by many enemies at once which is how some commandos died on Geonosis. But clone troopers on the front lines are trained to do that and would last longer and the front lines is where most of the fighting is. They also have more powerful weapons as I have observed since the DC-17m blaster rifle does not seem that powerful in RC but in BF 1 and 2 the DC-15 blaster rifle seems more powerful. The clone troopers would be equipped with more powerful weapons because they see more combat and commandos would be equipped with weaker weapons because they go behind enemy lines where there would be less enemies. I know all about commandos and clone troopers and I love RC so don't ask if I know anything about commandos. Still you guys tell me which you think is better and say why. I will try to add more reasons why as the thread progresses.
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Old 06-14-2009, 10:32 PM   #2
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Also for clone troopers there are different classes of troopers but for commandos there isn't. Since clone troopers have different classes what one class lacks the other makes up for in something they have. So they support each other and work together using their skills to help them win a battle. But still you can't have an army without commandos.
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Old 06-15-2009, 02:29 AM   #3
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Wrong. The commandos had more experience because they went through tougher training (and were taught by Mandalorians) and they were always in the thick of the action (because they're behind enemy lines). Commandos had better weapons, and better armor. If you love RC so much then you should remember the conversation between Boss and the "normal" clone. The clone is jealous because Boss has the better training, armor, and weapon. The reasons why the weapons felt different is because of different game engines. Also, clones weren't meant to survive very long. If some die you replace them carbon copies. That's why they had weak(er) weapons than Commandos. So, no. Commandos are better then Clones, that was made obvious in the books and in the game. I know I'm usually against this kind of thread, but you were wrong, and I had to correct you.


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It's just a theory I had. In RC the DC-17m takes a lot of shots to kill a super battle droid and on BF2 it takes a few shots but I never thought it could be the game engine. Also commandos know many different skills but to know a lot of skills you'd have to know a little of each. But clone troopers had different classes so each knows one skill and to know one skill you'd now a lot about it and there's strength in numbers. I can't find the right way to write it out the way I thought of it. When I first thought of clone commandos I thought they would wear skinny armor like clones or Arcs. But it's just a theory I had.
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Old 06-16-2009, 12:03 PM   #5
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The name of this thread shouldn't be why a clone trooper would be better than clone commando but should be why a clone trooper is just as good as clone commando. What I was really trying to say was that they are both just as good but depends if the clone trooper in question is really good at what they do.
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1 Commando could wipe out an entire platoon of regulars troop given enough ammo.

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Old 06-24-2009, 09:26 AM   #7
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It's just a theory I had. In RC the DC-17m takes a lot of shots to kill a super battle droid and on BF2 it takes a few shots but I never thought it could be the game engine.
Super battle droids are supposed to be a hard thing for troopers to kill since they got bulky armor and missles, the only reason its a few shots in BF2 is so the CIS don't got overpowered units, they were put as the normal assault unit, when they should have been heavy unit or the officer typing thing with droidika and magna gaurd.

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It's just a theory I had. In RC the DC-17m takes a lot of shots to kill a super battle droid and on BF2 it takes a few shots but I never thought it could be the game engine. Also commandos know many different skills but to know a lot of skills you'd have to know a little of each. But clone troopers had different classes so each knows one skill and to know one skill you'd now a lot about it and there's strength in numbers. I can't find the right way to write it out the way I thought of it. When I first thought of clone commandos I thought they would wear skinny armor like clones or Arcs. But it's just a theory I had.
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Old 06-24-2009, 01:46 PM   #9
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Why a Commando would win:
- Better fighting skills, mainly because their training. Which starts when they're 5 years old (I believe). Some even died during their training exercises (Two-Eight, Dov and many more).
- More weapons, DC-17 interchangeable system.
- Advantage in close combat, because of their knuckle-plate-vibroblade.
- Better HUD and armor.
- Teamwork advantage when a commando is with his squad.
You're also wrong about the classes:
There are sniper teams, pilots and HOPE squads in the GAR. Plus some commandos have exeptional skills.

BTW: A commando might not be on the frontline, a trooper isn't on the frontline every day too. A commando isn't designed for the frontline anyway...
The unexperienced (Jedi) commanders used a squad of commando as tanks or battalions of troopers during the battle of Geonosis.

Why a Commando wouldn't win:
- A trooper is genetically the same.
- Faster because of lighter armor.

Another mistake is to use different games as reliable source... The kill-effect of blasters are based on the gameplay on "reality". Games are the worst source anyway. Try to read the Republic Commando novels?



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Old 06-24-2009, 01:50 PM   #10
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Plus its stated that the SBDs in RC are diffrent from the normal SBDs. But yea a Commando is better than a normal rookie clone. This is the way the groups are set up.
Trooper < Commando < ARC. Commandos are better than Troopers, but ARCs are better than Commandos. Its like Halo. UNSCs < ODSTs < Spartans. Commandos are better than Troopers. Period.



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Old 06-26-2009, 01:20 PM   #12
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Well it was just a theory I had, I see it a different way in my mind that is really hard to explain.
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Old 06-27-2009, 06:35 PM   #13
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Plus its stated that the SBDs in RC are diffrent from the normal SBDs. But yea a Commando is better than a normal rookie clone. This is the way the groups are set up.
Trooper < Commando < ARC. Commandos are better than Troopers, but ARCs are better than Commandos. Its like Halo. UNSCs < ODSTs < Spartans. Commandos are better than Troopers. Period.
I thought the SBDs are the same, they just look and "move" different because of the different gamestyle/-play from SWBF and RepCom.

There are actually four catagories:

Boba Fett
Genetics: 100% Jango Fett.

Null ARCs
Genetics: More Intelligent and altered lifespan.

Alpha ARCs
Genetics: 100% Jango Fett and altered lifespan.

Other Clones:
Genetics: More obedient, resilient, reliable and altered lifespan.

You can make more catagories if you put in their training.

There are maybe even 5 catagories... I think the clones that were bred at Coruscant have an even short life-span.



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I thought the SBDs are the same, they just look and "move" different because of the different gamestyle/-play from SWBF and RepCom.

There are actually four catagories:

Boba Fett
Genetics: 100% Jango Fett.

Null ARCs
Genetics: More Intelligent and altered lifespan.

Alpha ARCs
Genetics: 100% Jango Fett and altered lifespan.

Other Clones:
Genetics: More obedient, resilient, reliable and altered lifespan.

You can make more catagories if you put in their training.

There are maybe even 5 catagories... I think the clones that were bred at Coruscant have an even short life-span.
Well I read somewhere (cant remember where though) the SBDs in RC are slightly diffrent. Their armor has been beefed up hence the diffrent look. And their more agressive and have better sensors and such.

And yeah there are alot of groups of clones but im just talking about the main classes Troopers, Commandos ARCs ect. But there are way more than 5 classes I just was just listing the main ones and how they stack against the other.



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Well I read somewhere (cant remember where though) the SBDs in RC are slightly diffrent. Their armor has been beefed up hence the diffrent look. And their more agressive and have better sensors and such.

And yeah there are alot of groups of clones but im just talking about the main classes Troopers, Commandos ARCs ect. But there are way more than 5 classes I just was just listing the main ones and how they stack against the other.
The SBDs are the same as in the movies, they just look different (like the clones, geonosians, trandoshans etc. etc.) I thought they made them look that way because that was the way the commandos would see them. I could be wrong, but this was a subject that was discussed at brothers all years ago.



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Yea and I believe that it was stated that the SBDs in RC were tougher than the ones in BF. If I could find where I read that Id link it but it was ages ago and I didnt think to save it cause I thought we were done with the whole vs. thing. But oh well I know the SBDs are diffrent in RC.



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Heres My Say About The Commandos And Normal Clones

Commandos: Better Armor, Weapons, Tactics, And They Are Trained Better

Normal Clones: Light Armor, Worse On Almost Everything Except The Commanders Because They Have Chainguns


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I realized today that a clone trooper might be better than a clone commando. If you think hard about it you'll see why. First of all a clone trooper sees more action than a clone commando so they would have more experience than a clone commando because they fight on the front lines but commandos are sent behind enemy lines. Also if a commando was sent to the front lines they might not last as long as a clone trooper because they are not trained fight on the front lines where they are being attacked by many enemies at once which is how some commandos died on Geonosis. But clone troopers on the front lines are trained to do that and would last longer and the front lines is where most of the fighting is. They also have more powerful weapons as I have observed since the DC-17m blaster rifle does not seem that powerful in RC but in BF 1 and 2 the DC-15 blaster rifle seems more powerful. The clone troopers would be equipped with more powerful weapons because they see more combat and commandos would be equipped with weaker weapons because they go behind enemy lines where there would be less enemies. I know all about commandos and clone troopers and I love RC so don't ask if I know anything about commandos. Still you guys tell me which you think is better and say why. I will try to add more reasons why as the thread progresses.
Clone Troopers gets killed ALL the time!!!
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Commandos may not be as good on the front lines, but basically they don't have to be. They can take you out a klick away and not really care if it's fair or not and they can blow you up from a planet away. That's why they are superior and why there are fewer of them.




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1 Commando could wipe out an entire platoon of regulars troop given enough ammo.
haha, he won't stand a chance!
he would be wiped out before he can even get up hes weapon

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Wrong. The commandos had more experience because they went through tougher training (and were taught by Mandalorians) and they were always in the thick of the action (because they're behind enemy lines). Commandos had better weapons, and better armor. If you love RC so much then you should remember the conversation between Boss and the "normal" clone. The clone is jealous because Boss has the better training, armor, and weapon. The reasons why the weapons felt different is because of different game engines. Also, clones weren't meant to survive very long. If some die you replace them carbon copies. That's why they had weak(er) weapons than Commandos. So, no. Commandos are better then Clones, that was made obvious in the books and in the game. I know I'm usually against this kind of thread, but you were wrong, and I had to correct you.
i completely agree.
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I wasn't saying it would be clone trooper vs. clone commando, just that one might be better at certain things than the other. Also the clone troopers weapon might be more powerful. On www.wookieepedia.com it says the the E-5 droid blaster rifle is just as powerful as the DC-17m blaster attachment and also says that the DC-15A blaster rifle is more powerful than the E-5 droid blaster rifle, which would mean that the DC-15A blaster rifle is more powerful than the DC-17m blaster attachment. It makes sense that in a weapon that reconfigures to other weapons that the blaster attachment would be less powerful than a weapon that's all blaster because the manufacturers would need to sacrifice firepower and ammunition capacity to make a weapon that changes to other weapons. Or it could depend on the power setting. Besides I prefer the DC-15A blaster rifle over the DC-17m Interchangeable Weapons System. I don't know why but there's something about the DC-17m that I don't like that much.
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He would probably live alot longer than that.
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Um, the troopers have plain white on which makes it easy for them to hide in the snow! Thats a plus...
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Um, the troopers have plain white on which makes it easy for them to hide in the snow! Thats a plus...
But it also makes them very visible in any other terrain.

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Then they better stay in the snow!
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Actually the snow thing is not true. Lots of clone troopers have color on their armor. They could have camouflage too, just look at the 41st Elite Legion on Kashyyyk, they have full body camouflage. Different groups of clone troopers have colors that tell what group they belong to or the type of environment they are in. The snow thing would actually be true for storm troopers. Also the blaster attachment that commandos have is crappy compared to the DC-15A blaster rifle clone troopers have. That's probably why Arc troopers use the DC-15A rather than the DC-17m.
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i thought the whole point of clone troopers was that they were cannon fodder

think about it in real life to be a commando are chosen beause they show supier skills to the standard unit even though the clones are grown the all round standard of their trainging is much greater and not to mention the fact that they are nore independant allwoing them to adapt within the battlefield
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haha, he won't stand a chance!
he would be wiped out before he can even get up hes weapon

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Before he can get his weapon out? I don't know about you, but I noticed that I pull out my DC-17 rather quickly in Republic Commando. Some thermal detonators or the anti-armor attachment will wipe out 26-55 clone troopers. (26-55 is how much a platoon is.)
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It really depends on how many troopers are fighting how many commandos. Although the commandos possess better kit, Katarn armor can only absorb so much blasterfire..

and I find it amusing in Star Wars books that thermal detonators cause HUGE explosions, but in SW games with them they're just a regular grenade

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Darth Tater, please don't revive dead forums. And mando merc, I thought you knew better than to help an old forum revive now no more posts after this. If you want to discuss this topic then start up a new thread.

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Oops, sorry; didn't think that applied if somebody posted again.. why is there a "no reviving old threads" rule? Doesn't it kind've kill discussion?




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Yes but if something is settled then somebody appears a year later and gives their opinion then it gets kinda annoying.

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