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Old 05-15-2010, 11:28 PM   #1
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Call of Duty: Black Ops


- Treyarch-Developed
- Releasing 9th November
- Set in Cold War
- Vietnam, Cuba, the Arctic, Laos and Russia have been confirmed as locations in the game.
- Dedicated Servers

First Gamplay Trailer coming May 18 on ESPN.

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Old 05-15-2010, 11:29 PM   #2
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Old 05-16-2010, 01:37 AM   #3
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I wonder if there'll be any running around and shooting at stuff involved?

I hear they are following up closely with a White Ops variant - Where you can sneak around the world as a bank CEO loaning trillions to countries who can never pay it back

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Old 05-16-2010, 06:12 AM   #4
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I hear they are following up closely with a White Ops variant - Where you can sneak around the world as a bank CEO loaning trillions to countries who can never pay it back
Pink Ops has also been announced, but no details so far. Activision is reported as saying that it will "take the Call of Duty franchise to places it has never seen before."


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Old 05-16-2010, 07:56 AM   #6
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I wonder if there'll be any running around and shooting at stuff involved?

I hear they are following up closely with a White Ops variant - Where you can sneak around the world as a bank CEO loaning trillions to countries who can never pay it back

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So what would that be? You run around the world stealing Barbies with secret codes printed on their underwear?
Well if it's a Barbie game, make sure there are horses involved, it will be very popular

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I think it went there long ago sabrez.

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At least this one will have dedicated servers, dunno why the **** MW2 didn't have them, reason I didn't buy the game. I find it funny that you all have so much fun feeling cool about dishing on the CoD franchise when it has been hands down the best FPS franchise for the past decade or so. True enough that the Treyarch versions are usually of less quality than the IW ones and IW is for all intents and purposes defunct. It's still funny that CoD has reached the same "cool to hate" status as Haloz.


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Old 05-17-2010, 01:06 AM   #9
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At least this one will have dedicated servers, dunno why the **** MW2 didn't have them, reason I didn't buy the game. I find it funny that you all have so much fun feeling cool about dishing on the CoD franchise when it has been hands down the best FPS franchise for the past decade or so. True enough that the Treyarch versions are usually of less quality than the IW ones and IW is for all intents and purposes defunct. It's still funny that CoD has reached the same "cool to hate" status as Haloz.
You tell 'em, Mav.

When CoD4 came out, everyone was jumping out their seats and bowing to the game. CoD5 made people go 'meh, it's good', and CoD6 became the hate-game, partly because of the no dedicated servers, partly because it was the most successful game in history.

And now when CoD7 is trying to fix all of that and bring the game on par with, or surpassing rival titles like Medal of Honor and Bad Company 2, everyone wants CoD to die in a grave.


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Old 05-17-2010, 03:27 AM   #10
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Am I the only one overjoyed because it isn't set in WWI or WWII?...again?

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Am I the only one overjoyed because it isn't set in WWI or WWII?...again?
I, for one, do not ever recall seeing a major-budgeted WWI game.


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You tell 'em, Mav.

When CoD4 came out, everyone was jumping out their seats and bowing to the game. CoD5 made people go 'meh, it's good', and CoD6 became the hate-game, partly because of the no dedicated servers, partly because it was the most successful game in history.

And now when CoD7 is trying to fix all of that and bring the game on par with, or surpassing rival titles like Medal of Honor and Bad Company 2, everyone wants CoD to die in a grave.
Personal opinion, and it may be shared by some or it may not...but I find Bad Company 2 to be superior in presentation in both single and multiplayer to both Modern Warfare games and would say that Treyarch has got some work to do if they wish to be on par with or surpass that title imho.

That said, I don't want to see the CoD franchise die...I just feel like Activision is in the process of running it into the ground through their actions. Maybe Treyarch has something that will blow us all out of the water and I hope that's the case as even though I feel Bad Company 2 to be a better game I still really enjoyed playing most of the CoD games.

As far as Black Ops goes obviously more info is needed before a judgment can be made and I will likely play the game at some point. I'm not sure I'll run out and buy it on release day, but even if it comes out and bombs (which I doubt) I will probably still pick it up just to see what Treyarch can do.


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Old 05-17-2010, 09:35 PM   #13
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Personal opinion, and it may be shared by some or it may not...but I find Bad Company 2 to be superior in presentation in both single and multiplayer to both Modern Warfare games and would say that Treyarch has got some work to do if they wish to be on par with or surpass that title imho.

That said, I don't want to see the CoD franchise die...I just feel like Activision is in the process of running it into the ground through their actions. Maybe Treyarch has something that will blow us all out of the water and I hope that's the case as even though I feel Bad Company 2 to be a better game I still really enjoyed playing most of the CoD games.

As far as Black Ops goes obviously more info is needed before a judgment can be made and I will likely play the game at some point. I'm not sure I'll run out and buy it on release day, but even if it comes out and bombs (which I doubt) I will probably still pick it up just to see what Treyarch can do.
I find Call of Duty's single-player mode far superior to that of Bad Company. I couldn't even finish the campaign in the first Bad Company it was just horrendous. BC2 was much better, but I still find the Call of Duty SP experience to be far superior at least in gameplay, both the stories for both games SP campaigns were awful, at least for MW2 and BC/BC2. I don't really consider CoD 1-3 as having stories either, since they were WWII historically based.

As far as MP goes though, I've always preferred the Battlefield series than any other FPS game barring 4 player split-screen GoldenEye 64. I will shamefully admit that at one point I was in the top 100 on the overall leaderboard for Battlefield 2142. That being said, I think Bad Company's MP has taken a few steps backward from BF2, but I would have to attribute that to the fact that it's being developed for consoles now and now specifically for the PC gamer.

Both franchises have their pros and cons but overall CoD is the more well-rounded game, it has far superior SP and it's MP is pretty top-notch. I actually think that CoD and BF cater to 2 completely different styles of MP. CoD is that traditional Counter-Strike in-your-face, twitch-based shooter and BF is more of a strategic shooter it has a much slower pace to the game. I enjoy both. So while Activision makes a complete ass of itself, it's pretty silly to shun arguably the best FPS franchise of the last decade.

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Old 05-19-2010, 08:29 AM   #14
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I'm unimpressed that they put the crash-through-window scene in the first trailer - rappelling off walls is something we've done in both MW games...

The graphics look strangely old at some scenes and strikingly good at others (sweat, animations on the Vietnamese soldiers, the helicopter scenes).

That one scene where the heli goes haywire and you crash into a building looked cool.

At one point, the crossbow shoots some sort of a green designator on a soldier that explodes after a while. Don't know what that is, but it should be a nifty new addition in multiplayer - a safer, more compact replacement for a rocket-launcher, that comes silenced to boot.

Ah, and the mystery-packed ending where we are left to wonder where these fine men are jumping off to. I'm guessing it's Disneyland.


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Old 05-19-2010, 09:22 PM   #15
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I'm unimpressed that they put the crash-through-window scene in the first trailer - rappelling off walls is something we've done in both MW games...

The graphics look strangely old at some scenes and strikingly good at others (sweat, animations on the Vietnamese soldiers, the helicopter scenes).

That one scene where the heli goes haywire and you crash into a building looked cool.

At one point, the crossbow shoots some sort of a green designator on a soldier that explodes after a while. Don't know what that is, but it should be a nifty new addition in multiplayer - a safer, more compact replacement for a rocket-launcher, that comes silenced to boot.

Ah, and the mystery-packed ending where we are left to wonder where these fine men are jumping off to. I'm guessing it's Disneyland.
I was actually thinking the same thing about the graphics, some of it looks dated and then some of it looked pretty much on par with stuff now, maybe it's a mix of scenes from throughout the development process. I think the funniest thing is that Microsoft (I assume) paid to have the 360 logo at the end, everybody already knows that it will be on every viable platform anyway...


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I started on Modern Warfare I, loved it. I then played the second game and loved the single player, but the multiplayer is the worst gaming experience I have ever had.

I am not impressed by the trailer. A lot of explosions and saying that the world is not a nice place does not impress me.


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Old 05-20-2010, 03:55 PM   #17
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Just saw the trailer. I've got to say, I've been increasingly disliking where the series is going. That is to say, I'm infinitely glad we're done with World War II, but the utter lack of depth in these games has me blehing.

Of course, the previous ones were not much better, but at least they feigned the idea that you and your squad were like a family, with the bickering and the remarks and everything in between. Now, squad mates drop like flies, have little-to-no backstory, and are flat as cardboard.

At any rate, the most interesting parts of the trailer involved helicopters, which I doubt will make up even a fraction of gameplay time.
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Not sure if I'll buy this, I am generally only interested in war FPS games set in the present, but at least it's not WWII.


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Well it's supposedly set in the "Cold War Era" which I've assumed means it covers a lot of ground historically, i.e. from Vietnam up to the Present. It's too soon to say whether or not I'll get this, but them having dedicated servers gets them one step closer to having me buy the game than MW2 did.


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Aww, we're going to fly an Apache and take down Hinds. Why can't it be the other way round? Hinds are way cooler and badass than silly Apaches.

Anyone else notice that art-wise, Treyarch is going for a high-contrast, rusty feel to the game instead of MW2's slick and shine?


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Whilst I'm not a huge fan of shooters in general, at least that trailer shows stuff you can do in the game, not just a schmancy cinematic

*points at Lucasarts/BioWare*

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In case there's anyone here who still hasn't seen the E3 demonstration:

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I'm not convinced 'til Price makes a cameo appearance to deliver a 2-minute philosophical monologue.


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I loved the E3 trailers. It might actually pull me in to playing an FPS, especially if I can play multi-player with some buddies.


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I'm not convinced 'til Price makes a cameo appearance to deliver a 2-minute philosophical monologue.
His appearance will be in a special sniping mission that starts as a covert op and turns into a blood bath, only instead of an urban wasteland, or a snowy sub base, we will be in a sweaty jungle... with a POOH-MUH!


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I totally did not see this coming

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So release day is Tuesday...anyone planning on buying at release? I'm not at the moment...but the game is on my short list and I will probably get it as some point.


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I, for one, do not ever recall seeing a major-budgeted WWI game.
That's because no one would like to play a game where you must stand still for weeks on a trench in which your only enemy are poisonous gases, diseases and feces.


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That's because no one would like to play a game where you must stand still for weeks on a trench in which your only enemy are poisonous gases, diseases and feces.
That one sentence is pretty well-embedded in my mind. Did we read it from the same source? I can't remember where I picked it up from.


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That one sentence is pretty well-embedded in my mind. Did we read it from the same source? I can't remember where I picked it up from.
Random history books? Heh, I suppose that's just how we all picture the WWI.


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I don't think I'll get it at release since nobody I know seems to be getting it for PC, so there's that, plus the fact that these games are $60 USD at launch now instead of 50.


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I don't know, unlike MW2, it sounds like this one might actually be worth that much.

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I'd like to advise everyone who would go out and buy this to leave it alone.
It's the worst piece of coding I have ever seen, including unpatched Neverwinter Nights 2 and Battlefield 2.

My PC meets all the necessary system specs, even more. My video card is 512 MB (256 above the minimum) I have an AMD 4600+, 3 gigs of ram (1 gig more the needed) and I attempted to play it on Windows 7.

It's impossible. Seriously. I turned everything down to the lowers, which made it look like a Playstation 1 shooter, and still had single player and multiplayer lag. It's probably the worst 50 quid I have ever spent.
And this comes from someone who bought Aplha Protocol too. That was MUCH more bearable then this. I played it for 2 hours (or tried) and I'll uninstall it right away.

Best part is, everyone has it. And no word yet on how they are going to fix this.

Mind you; My PC could show my Bad Company 2 one of the highest visual settings.

Again, it's impossible to play. Literally.

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Is your version patched? A lot of people say that the lag was fixed with the first patch. Probably may not affect performance, though.

Saying that it is worse than Alpha Protocol is just cruel though, Black Ops is just five hours long.

FIX DAT LAG

Didn't realise there was a plain config.cfg tucked away inside the Players folder of the game. There's two versions of the file with independent settings, for the two independent .exe files. Editing it, I managed to get the performance to finally become smooth and totally playable like Modern Warfare 2.

This is thanks to the genius minds at Treyarch who decide for some reason that allowing players to turn off Smooth Smoke Edges is going to make their game is a failure.

Inside the config.cfg file of your choice, scroll down till you reach the values prefixed "r_", these are the graphics options. Here's the ones I know (doesn't include options already available in-game):

seta r_blur_allowed
Not sure exactly which blur, but I disabled it. Possibly the blur you get when you die?

seta r_distortion
The mild distortion effects you get when you fire a weapon or are looking over fire. Not much of an fps hit, though.

seta r_dof_enable
Depth of Field. I turn it off as a matter of taste (thanks for the no-option, Treyarch!) but it gives you some extra fps.

seta r_glow_allowed
Very mild fps hit. It removes the slightly magical-looking glow you get at some places. Because you know, you can never have enough bloom.

r_motionblur_enable
Self-explanatory.

r_multithreaded_device
Something of a biggie. It's a wonder why Treyarch chose to keep this disabled by default, but if you have a multi-core processor, you should turn this off.

r_specular
FPS Hit, makes things look shiny. It looks terrible when off, so I recommend you leave it on.

r_use_driver_convergence
Not sure, but the Internet told me to keep it on.

r_zfeather
This little ****ing value is the Smooth Smoke option IW always provides in their games. Disabling this should give you a sizable FPS boost and almost no noticeable loss in quality.

r_waterSheetingFX_allowed
Possibly some water-enhancing technology? I turned it off.



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A friend and I got Black Ops for XBox and have had a really awesome time with it. This easily beats Modern Warfare 2's multiplayer. Actually, beats is an understatement. It DESTROYS Modern Warfare 2's multiplayer. The weapon damage, relative to game modes and lag, is far more realistic. I myself am not a major fan of realism, but there comes a point where it affects game balancing, and Modern Warfare 2 was insanely unbalanced.

Player tactics on Hardcore are awesome to watch and participate in. I've seen people pulling off maneuvers in Black Ops that you simply could not do on Mod 2. Noobtubing, camping, run & gun, etc. are all still there but in less quantity (at least on Hardcore) and are used as legit tactics rather than as a spam.

The COD points system works extremely well. While it might get annoying to find so many things worth money that you would think you'd get for the XP, it manages to preserve the balancing (not everyone has claymores or uses them) and highlight alternatives (some use stuff like the camera spike).

There are still some spams. The RC-XD is the most common, parallel to the Predator missile on Mod 2. However, it is not only destroyable but if you have flak jacket you will probably survive. Irregardless, it is so common that it gets annoying to hear "enemy RC-XD has been spotted in your area" every few seconds on Core/Normalcore. Helicopters are even more powerful as they are harder to kill, however they are less common. Also, they removed tactical nuke which in my opinion was a good move. Sure it's fun to just "win" the game (if you count vaporizing the battlefield as a victory) but it was also incredibly cheap.

Wager matches have an issue: In one mode, when someone is knifed in the back, they get demoted in weapon tiers. This tends to put them with dual pistols while everyone else has assault rifles or better. One could say "learn to play" but those dual pistols have very little range and so inaccurate compared to any other weapon aside from some of the shotguns, so if you get unlucky you tend to be stuck in the lower ranks with no way to ascend other than a miracle.

Again, lag is still an issue. On XBox, you will find yourself unloading entire clips into someone else's head and being killed by a single bullet to the knee.

If you liked quickscoping on Mod 2, it's not entirely gone. It is, however, extremely hard. The animation prevents instantaneous aiming with the sniper rifles. I only recommend quickscoping to those who were true masters on Mod 2. Sniping in this game is mostly sniping in the real world sense: Long range single shot kills, preferably to the head. Sniping is very balanced: at range with a good overwatch position a sniper can dominate, at close range they're pretty much screwed. My friend and I took advantage of this: he'd snipe with the Druganov using a variable zoom (in our opinion, one of THE best attachments you can buy) while I'd set up a claymore and over his position. We'd rake in a good amount of kills before the entire enemy team had to move in on us or someone landed a lucky shot on us (this strategy worked very well on "Jungle").

Split screen is one of the best features of this game. At last, someone decided to make a major co-op multiplayer game for XBox that wasn't Halo or Gears (nothing wrong with either, IMO). Individualist online gaming is PC's department, not XBox.

The major flaw in Black Ops multiplayer is the spawn system, which is far worse than Mod 2's. Spawning right in front of enemies is very common, and irritating.

Nazi Zombies is fun as always. Haven't tried the hidden minigames yet. The single player campaign is good until the ending, which is somewhat lacking. The story is very deep, but a bit hard to follow unless you're into that sort of plot. The plot twist is interesting. The Soviet Communists are heavily demonized
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which I'm guessing did not help sales in Russia. If you are prone to seizures, do not play! Hell, I was worried that I was going to have one with the endless red and white flashing.

I have read that the PC version had serious issues with servers and performance (the latter fixed by a patch). I am guessing this is Activision not getting that across the board support is generally a good idea. Then again, there are few true PC gaming companies at this point.

So yeah, I recommend Black Ops for the XBox. I'd say it's worth that $60.

Oh, and the crossbow is badass.


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Halo's multiplayer is better in every conceivable way


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Reach was absolutely horrible. I'm actually enjoying Black Ops, which is definitely an improvement over Modern Warfare 2.


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