At least Tali is confirmed as being back as a permanent squad member. Not that there was much doubt - I'm pretty sure they would have been lynched if it were otherwise.
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Yeah, and ChAiNz would have been at the front of the mob building a fire under the tree branch they hanged them from.
How is Cerberus working for the Reapers any bigger of a plot twist than the Protheans, an Assari Matriarch or a Spectre working for the Reapers? We already have seen in ME and ME2 that humans are just as acceptable to indoctrination as any other species in the Mass Effect universe. We also have been shown over and over that Cerberus will do anything to get technology to advance the human race. Add to that results matter and safety is of little or no concern and it is a pretty easy leap from fighting the Reapers to joining them. I could see this scenario happen very easily for someone that did not destroy the collector base (which is one of the reasons I always destroyed it), but it could happen almost as easily if Cerberus decide to study other Reaper technology discovered in the universe.
It isn’t like we haven’t seen examples where Cerberus, Alliance and miners find Reaper technology that had the power to indoctrinate in the past. Then again the TIM is arrogant enough to believe he has some angle where he can deal with the Reapers to weaken the galaxy and then destroy them to put human in charge. Perhaps that ancient “dysfunctional” weapon he told Shepard about when getting the mission to get the FTL from the derelict Reaper.
You misunderstood me, my problem isn't that this is impossible scenario, it's very possible!!! It happens over and over.
Like Darth Parametric, i just think it feels lame and very lazy, i liked the fact that Cerberus was an "the ends justifies means organization", so i dislike the idea of chaging them to simple evil (it seems).
You are right when you say that a RPG video game is more than just stats, but that applies...
... game with RPG elements.
Eh, yeah, I've read your post, but it seems I didn't get my thoughts straighted out when I posted
I understand what you're on about. My point is that, they might put far less importance on the stats, like they did in ME 2.
Infact in ME-2 they seem to have kicked out about everything that you could stick RPG to. Only dialogue remained.
Perhaps what Bioware is working on is to bring back certain RPG elements back. Like say, armours and weapon upgrades, not streamlined like in ME-2 but a little more indepth for each of your squad mates.
Anyway, it was clear with the ME franchise Bioware was searching for a good balance between "hard-core" RPG and more casual action games. Hopefully they'll do just that for ME-3... for most of us
Then again, they might make so watered down... it'll be annoying.
Going round in circles
...I don't care about anything that came before, that looks and sounds awesome.
Liara as a squadmate though? Iiiiinteresting. But awesome. Kiera Femshep and Dr. T'Soni reunited! Glorious. Oh, and de facto second in command Garrus. Kaidan, however, can get stuffed. And that's to say nothing of Ashley, ew.
I tried not to read that, but I could not help myself. If 75% of that article is accurate, then I will be very happy with the ending of Shepard's story.
I'm not convinced the whole Cerberus thing makes sense. They couldn't have been siding with the reapers before ME2, since that would make rebuilding Shepherd just about the dumbest idea possible. If TIM is attempting to use the Reapers, they'd notice the fact that he resurrected their greatest enemy, considering that enemy's been jetting around in a ship with the Cerberus logo on the side (actually, why exactly does a covert organization, hunted as terrorists by most of the galaxy, paint their logo on everything, including their operatives' outfits? Consistency, Bioware, please).
That only leaves the short window between ME2 and ME3 for Cerberus to start working with the Reapers. Considering the Reapers attack Earth at the beginning of ME3, Cerberus clearly isn't working with the Reapers to get humanity spared, nor is it trying to use them as a tool. That only leaves indoctrination. If Shepard blew up the collector base, how exactly did they get indoctrinated? In fact, even if Shepard didn't, it'd be out of character for TIM to ever go to the Collector base himself, and no one else's indoctrination would have a huge impact on the organization. This pretty much means a Reaper would've needed to find him in the time between ME2 and ME3, to indoctrinate him. Even then, that doesn't explain why Cerberus soldiers would follow orders that are clearly against humanity's best interests, given the ongoing invasion of earth.
If someone sees a sensible reason for this that I've missed, please tell me. I want to believe that Bioware's writers are going to do a good job, but this has me worried.
As for gameplay, a while ago I remember them saying they were adding back RPG elements. Now they're talking about more streamlining. At this point, the only thing we know for certain is that combat mechanics will be similar to ME2's. Bioware should either send out a consistent message, or just keep quiet.
FWIW, keep in mind that Bioware is developing the game, but they've been purchased by EA who is the publisher and most likely the final decision maker in all of this (hence my concern over EA's rep saying that the cause of delayed release is to make the game more mainstream).
While it is easy to lay the blame entirely at the feet of EA (and I'm sure they have a hand in it), I don't think that's the whole story. Bioware chose this path themselves long before EA came into the picture. You can see the early seeds of this trend in NWN, further developed in KOTOR, and it was especially manifest in Jade Empire which was the archetypal streamlining of an RPG into an action game. There are reasons that guys like Tudge and Knowles jumped ship and I think it's fair to say those reasons were manifest before EA came along.
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My lawn defence is more in the mould of Principal Strickland:
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^I had to look that up b/c haven't played the BG series in >4 years.
Still, not surprised about Cerberus-Reaper angle. Perhaps like Saren, TIM is not aware of the degree to which he's been turned over time.....or at least thinks he can get advanced tech through their agents while somehow holding them at bay by using Shep to stymie their return. Whatever the case, there ought to at least be a reasonably straightforward reason given in ME3 about how/when he was corrupted. Also, must have missed it, but how long between the events in ME3 and the end of ME2? A few months? ~a year?
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Here's something I've been thinking about that could explain why Cerberus is the enemy this time. There's nothing indicating that they're introducing a third Normandy, and since the game starts with Shepard being put on trial by the Alliance, they've likely also appropriated the Normandy SR2, and with the security lockouts gone after the Collectors attacked the Normandy, the Alliance has access to every dirty little secret Cerberus tucked away on the Normandy's computers, which could be enough to prompt a crackdown on Cerberus activity, against which Cerberus would naturally retaliate.
Yes, the Game Informer article said that the Alliance have stripped and rebuilt/upgraded the SR2. Concept art shows a quite different look internally. I imagine the outside will get a new lick of paint at least. Not sure if there will be much in the way of physical modifications there though.
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That's assuming they could break the the AI security.
Speaking of AIs, I wonder what the Alliance will make of EDI? She is completely illegal under Council law. Obviously Cerberus don't abide by that but the Alliance do (presumably). One would think they would completely remove her from the SR2, or at least attempt to.
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Yes, the Game Informer article said that the Alliance have stripped and rebuilt/upgraded the SR2. Concept art shows a quite different look internally. I imagine the outside will get a new lick of paint at least. Not sure if there will be much in the way of physical modifications there though.
Well, there is this, so yeah, it looks different on the outside. Also, if you're referring to the art I think you're referring to, the artist has stated that he's not affiliated with BioWare or something to that effect. But if you mean the shot of a much bluer SR2 CIC with some red holograms on the side, I'd be really surprised if it was fake.
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Speaking of AIs, I wonder what the Alliance will make of EDI? She is completely illegal under Council law. Obviously Cerberus don't abide by that but the Alliance do (presumably). One would think they would completely remove her from the SR2, or at least attempt to.
Well, Tricia Helfer has confirmed her involvement, so EDI's probably staying, unless she came back just to record a "death" scene.
That model is physically no different externally - they just obviously overscaled the panel lines for stylistic reasons. Assuming that is how it will look in ME3, then yeah it will just be a retextured version of ME2's SR2 mesh - a new lick of paint as I said. And even that looks to be just a simplistic swapping of the yellow with blue and the Cerberus logo with the Alliance logo.
The interior concept I was referring to was the blusih one with red holograms. It was in the Game Informer article captioned by a Casey Hudson quote about interior changes including a new look and different rooms, so I don't think there can be any argument that it is official. What the final game model ultimately ends up looking like of course is anyone's guess - it is just a concept drawing after all. The fact that they didn't show a screenshot suggests it hasn't been finalised as yet.
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In any case, maybe this means that when you retake the Normandy, it'll get a full crew again if you took your time to rescue them in ME2 like I did lol.
Wouldn't they all be put in jail, working for Cerberus?
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Well my crew, as in kelly and the nameless crew are all dead. XD
But I'm sure the main crew members are probably not in jail, most of them at least and are somewhere in the galaxy doing their thing to try to fight the reapers in their own way while they wait for Shep to get back to a position where they can help him with whatever.
In a recent interview it was confirmed that all major characters from ME2 will return if they survived and at least make a cameo appearance in ME3. It was also said that the ME2 squad was too big, so for ME3 this is being reduced. From that I think we can deduce something along the lines of a ME1-sized squad, which we already know includes Liara, Ashley/Kaidan, Tali, Garrus and James Vega (apparently renamed from James Sanders). You'd think they'd want to add one or two more to that number, especially as Tali and Garrus could both be dead. To my mind that points to non-ME2 party members, as there is no point adding in people that could have died in the suicide mission. Wrex is out, being either dead or off playing politics, so that probably means more new characters will be brought in. A Krogan of some sort would be a likely suspect.
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I'm still rooting for Shiala to make a triumphant return as everyone's favourite Green Asari commando kick-asser in chief. Suspect this is unlikely though.
awwww yeaaaaa
edit: oh, and what are the chances do we think of this Vega/Sanders chap being Sean Bean? and how totally ****ing awesome would that be? oh yeah, very. uh-huh.
Lol. A Salarian or female Turian are probably slightly more likely prospects.
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I'm still rooting for Shiala to make a triumphant return as everyone's favourite Green Asari commando kick-asser in chief. Suspect this is unlikely though.
awwww yeaaaaa
Well, when you consider that Shep can execute her in the Thorian Lair....yeah, unlikely.
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He has reach... he doesn't need your help.
Yeah, if nothing else, he can infilitrate the female clans on Tuchanka......they dig a good looking scar.
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I was thinking more for male Shepards that wanted the chance for a round with a razor sharp keratin plated meat trap.
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Who would execute her anyway!?
I think in about 7 or 8 original (i.e. 07/08) ME1 playthroughs that I spared her with just the one character that was a Paragon. Otherwise, bullet to the head every time.
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Who would execute her anyway!? I can never bring myself to do the deed... dat voice.
I've done that in a game or two to see how it played out. But I mostly play a neutral to renegade Shep anyway (though I usually spare her too).
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My dream team member for ME3 is Aria fully voiced by Carrie Ann Moss again. She was such a bad ass, I can just imagine the arguments between her and FemShep, and watching her kick ass would be awesome.
My dream team member for ME3 is Aria fully voiced by Carrie Ann Moss again. She was such a bad ass, I can just imagine the arguments between her and FemShep, and watching her kick ass would be awesome.
Aria would be cool, but I want her to be a mute after The Patriarch and his krantt rip out her tongue.
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